Do you see the timing given in any of these passages?
Do you see anything that says the church is snatched away to heaven before the tribulation?
Do you see anything that discusses two separate returns of the Lord?
Do you see anything that states the Saints discussed during the Tribulation were left behind?
I don't.
I see the Lord tell us in 3 separate places that He comes AFTER the tribulation
I see us warned NOT to be deceived, as to the timing and identity of the Man of Sin (Abomination of Desolation), a warning that would be completely irrelevant if we were to be long gone.
I see 7 passages that teach us to have "Patience and Faith" (to wait for the real Christ)
Pre-Trib Rapture believers see 1 Thes 4:13-17 as proof of a Pre-Trib Rapture, yet Paul does not give a timing here. He does provide a timing in 2 Thes 2. Rather than seeing 2 Thes 2 as a further explanation of 1 Thes 4 (which it is), they invent a whole new return and doctrine. Consider that the audience was the same, the Church at Thessalonica. Why would Paul tell the Church they would be raptured in his first letter then warn them not to be deceived about the timing in the second letter and place the timing after the Man of Sin is revealed???? The Thessalonians can't be in both groups. They are either going to be raptured before the Tribulation or after, but not both. If Paul taught two separate returns of the Lord, why does he NEVER make a distinction between the two so as to not confuse the reader?? The answer is, there is only one return that's why no distinction is ever made.
Other problems with the Pre-Trib doctrine is that the Lord teaches us all over the place that Jesus is to sit at the right hand of the Father until He has made His enemies His footstool which doesn't happen until the Bowls are poured out towards the end of the Tribulation. Jesus teaches in Mark 13 and John 15:15 that He has told us ALL things. But nowhere does Jesus teach a Rapture.
We also see from Zech 13 that 2/3 of Israel are to be cut off and 1/3 will be purified by fire and saved. But we are not told any are Raptured. We know that at least 2% of National Israel are Messianic Jews thus would be included in a Rapture, but their fate is not discussed. The birth, ministry, death, resurrection and second coming of the Lord are all prophesied over 300 times in the OT, but no Rapture is discussed.
Do you see anything that says the church is snatched away to heaven before the tribulation?
Do you see anything that discusses two separate returns of the Lord?
Do you see anything that states the Saints discussed during the Tribulation were left behind?
I don't.
I see the Lord tell us in 3 separate places that He comes AFTER the tribulation
I see us warned NOT to be deceived, as to the timing and identity of the Man of Sin (Abomination of Desolation), a warning that would be completely irrelevant if we were to be long gone.
I see 7 passages that teach us to have "Patience and Faith" (to wait for the real Christ)
Pre-Trib Rapture believers see 1 Thes 4:13-17 as proof of a Pre-Trib Rapture, yet Paul does not give a timing here. He does provide a timing in 2 Thes 2. Rather than seeing 2 Thes 2 as a further explanation of 1 Thes 4 (which it is), they invent a whole new return and doctrine. Consider that the audience was the same, the Church at Thessalonica. Why would Paul tell the Church they would be raptured in his first letter then warn them not to be deceived about the timing in the second letter and place the timing after the Man of Sin is revealed???? The Thessalonians can't be in both groups. They are either going to be raptured before the Tribulation or after, but not both. If Paul taught two separate returns of the Lord, why does he NEVER make a distinction between the two so as to not confuse the reader?? The answer is, there is only one return that's why no distinction is ever made.
Other problems with the Pre-Trib doctrine is that the Lord teaches us all over the place that Jesus is to sit at the right hand of the Father until He has made His enemies His footstool which doesn't happen until the Bowls are poured out towards the end of the Tribulation. Jesus teaches in Mark 13 and John 15:15 that He has told us ALL things. But nowhere does Jesus teach a Rapture.
We also see from Zech 13 that 2/3 of Israel are to be cut off and 1/3 will be purified by fire and saved. But we are not told any are Raptured. We know that at least 2% of National Israel are Messianic Jews thus would be included in a Rapture, but their fate is not discussed. The birth, ministry, death, resurrection and second coming of the Lord are all prophesied over 300 times in the OT, but no Rapture is discussed.
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