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We are WITH God and His truth. We are AGAINST the devil and his lies. We are NOT AGAINST people who engage in homosexual acts though the epistemologies (e.g. beliefs, body of knowledge, etc...) each side aligns with are in direct conflict.
^ These are true statements.
HOWEVER, what us Christians have to understand is that people who engage in homosexual acts BELIEVE WE ARE AGAINST THEM and respond to us based on that belief.
It doesn't have to be true. They just have to believe it for the very high level of ill will between us to exist as it does in our culture today.
The media, politicians, public educators, some on both sides, etc... foment the ill will as well, of course.
^ These are true statements.
HOWEVER, what us Christians have to understand is that people who engage in homosexual acts BELIEVE WE ARE AGAINST THEM and respond to us based on that belief.
It doesn't have to be true. They just have to believe it for the very high level of ill will between us to exist as it does in our culture today.
The media, politicians, public educators, some on both sides, etc... foment the ill will as well, of course.
Yet people do not understand what Jesus was saying. He did not forbid judging. He was saying we should not judge others with the same judgement we would not want for ourselves.
We are to consider our own faults first. If we are guilty of the same sin, then we need to fix ourselves FIRST. After we have examined ourselves then we can righteously note the fault in others, and then we are to help them turn away from their sin.
Jesus taught us HOW to judge.
I would hate to know that a fellow Christian was lost in sin because I refused to go to them and tell them they need repentance. Im pretty sure I would have to answer to that in the end, and the repercussions would not be good.
We are to consider our own faults first. If we are guilty of the same sin, then we need to fix ourselves FIRST. After we have examined ourselves then we can righteously note the fault in others, and then we are to help them turn away from their sin.
Jesus taught us HOW to judge.
I would hate to know that a fellow Christian was lost in sin because I refused to go to them and tell them they need repentance. Im pretty sure I would have to answer to that in the end, and the repercussions would not be good.
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I don't want to be judged at all so I won't judge at all! I do know the difference between right and wrong and if someone asks me I will tell them what I believe. I see this more as a compassion issue. When we love our brothers and sisters on Earth unconditionally, they will be more receptive to coming to the church and Christ.
I don't ever recall saying that same sex attraction was ok with God? I'm on your guys' sides ya know that right...? LoL
I don't ever recall saying that same sex attraction was ok with God? I'm on your guys' sides ya know that right...? LoL
No one said you did. but you should tell others what God says about issues, and not what you believe.
What man believes, and what God says can be totally different things
It is sometimes a tough job being a Christian. Controversial issues pop up, and we sometimes don't want to hurt others with the truth. You can express the truth with kindness and compassion. That is how we should be, but being afraid to stand up for what's right is just as bad as passing wrong judgement.
If a Christian does judge someone they should do it because they love that person. Not to be hurtful or mean. I don't want to see anyone lost in sin. If I know they are sinning and they come to me and ask me about it then you better beleive the bible is coming out.
I stated earlier "I don't care what goes on in others bedrooms"...well.. that is ME talking. Not God. I may not "care", but the Lord does. So me telling someone what I think is not at all what the Lord says. When it comes to a persons salvation YOUR opinion doesnt matter. What mattes is biblical fact.
What man believes, and what God says can be totally different things
It is sometimes a tough job being a Christian. Controversial issues pop up, and we sometimes don't want to hurt others with the truth. You can express the truth with kindness and compassion. That is how we should be, but being afraid to stand up for what's right is just as bad as passing wrong judgement.
If a Christian does judge someone they should do it because they love that person. Not to be hurtful or mean. I don't want to see anyone lost in sin. If I know they are sinning and they come to me and ask me about it then you better beleive the bible is coming out.
I stated earlier "I don't care what goes on in others bedrooms"...well.. that is ME talking. Not God. I may not "care", but the Lord does. So me telling someone what I think is not at all what the Lord says. When it comes to a persons salvation YOUR opinion doesnt matter. What mattes is biblical fact.
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He did so to warn not to harm or put down. I'm sure you do the same, and I would tell others what the bible says to unbelievers but you guys already know what it says so I see no point in that but honestly we are derailing the thread.
You're absolutely right.
I have LGBTQ friends and I DO tell them about the bible. I tell them what it says and how to be a good Christian. Again, I was hoping I could give others on here a new perspective.
You're absolutely right.
I have LGBTQ friends and I DO tell them about the bible. I tell them what it says and how to be a good Christian. Again, I was hoping I could give others on here a new perspective.
Please take note : why did God destroy them? was it so much as what they were doing or was it they were not loving they took what they wanted, they had no consideration for thier neighbor, they went against anothers free choice. Yes it is naturally not natural, for a man has a flashlight and a woman has a cave and when the two meet up they become one in having a child, and yes today we all have been left with a reprobate mindset.
Also under todays new Covenant all are forgiven and none of us are over two thousand years old are we? And we all have sinned and fallen shortof the glory of God. God's purpose through his Son is and was to restore mankind via all sins forgiven, but after that it is up to us to decide what is beneficial for us each person gets the priviledge to decide for allthings today are permissable, but not all things are beneficial. So each person gets to decide and not harm thier neighbor not steal, ask and you shall recieve maybe no9t right away but stand in Faith and you shall recieve exactly what you need from the almighty and we need salvation all of us and we need love for one another and we only get true love from salvation and we do not get salvation from the forgiveness of sins,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! [SUP]11 [/SUP]Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Mostof us after we believe are trying to get right with God and asking for further forgiveness when that is already been done we all are reconciled to God (forgiven) by the deat hof his Son. We are saved by the life of Christ after asking God to please raise us to new life after finalizing the death were we are forgiven period even if we sin again or not we are forgiven God is waiting ofr us to ask fro new life after we finally agree that we are past tense forgiven. Then when this happens I know each person will change according to God not me or you, or you or you. If God has recieved this person or person's it is God that gives the increase not you or you or you. We are called to LOVE all people the same as God already has shown this by his Son
God just love you all, Sorry to anyone that is Homosexual, a transvesdite, a lesbian, I love you the person even though I don't agree with this life style, and neither do Iagree with llieing, or cheating or lusting, but I am Guilty thereofre I as Jesus do not accuse you either as Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, he did say to her though go and sin no more, which I am sure this ahds an effect on her and when I put me in her shoes it has an effect on me, what tremendous LOVE!!! So please all here go to God and find the new life and then you decide for your self between God and you what is Good or not
Love you all
Also under todays new Covenant all are forgiven and none of us are over two thousand years old are we? And we all have sinned and fallen shortof the glory of God. God's purpose through his Son is and was to restore mankind via all sins forgiven, but after that it is up to us to decide what is beneficial for us each person gets the priviledge to decide for allthings today are permissable, but not all things are beneficial. So each person gets to decide and not harm thier neighbor not steal, ask and you shall recieve maybe no9t right away but stand in Faith and you shall recieve exactly what you need from the almighty and we need salvation all of us and we need love for one another and we only get true love from salvation and we do not get salvation from the forgiveness of sins,
[SUP]10 [/SUP]For if, while we were God’s enemies, we were reconciled to him through the death of his Son, how much more, having been reconciled, shall we be saved through his life! [SUP]11 [/SUP]Not only is this so, but we also boast in God through our Lord Jesus Christ, through whom we have now received reconciliation.
Mostof us after we believe are trying to get right with God and asking for further forgiveness when that is already been done we all are reconciled to God (forgiven) by the deat hof his Son. We are saved by the life of Christ after asking God to please raise us to new life after finalizing the death were we are forgiven period even if we sin again or not we are forgiven God is waiting ofr us to ask fro new life after we finally agree that we are past tense forgiven. Then when this happens I know each person will change according to God not me or you, or you or you. If God has recieved this person or person's it is God that gives the increase not you or you or you. We are called to LOVE all people the same as God already has shown this by his Son
God just love you all, Sorry to anyone that is Homosexual, a transvesdite, a lesbian, I love you the person even though I don't agree with this life style, and neither do Iagree with llieing, or cheating or lusting, but I am Guilty thereofre I as Jesus do not accuse you either as Jesus said to the woman caught in adultery, he did say to her though go and sin no more, which I am sure this ahds an effect on her and when I put me in her shoes it has an effect on me, what tremendous LOVE!!! So please all here go to God and find the new life and then you decide for your self between God and you what is Good or not
Love you all
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As I mentioned in another thread. My wife and I are friends with some homosexuals. We have had long discussions about the topic. They are never angry with me, because they know that as their friend, I love them and care about them. When I tell them that I believe homosexuality is a sin and that they are risking their immortal soul...they understand my position, even if they disagree. We have pretty spirited discussions about that. They do get upset when someone is vicious and vindictive towards them as anyone would.
I know where you're coming from. I have friends and relatives who are gay. They know my views. They also know I don't say things to hurt them, and I love them. They also know if they needed help and guidance then I'm there. I can't make anyone stop sinning, but I will be there to help them along the way to the truth if they ask.
They are human. They have feelings, and usually they appreciate honesty with respect than honesty with anger.
They are human. They have feelings, and usually they appreciate honesty with respect than honesty with anger.