How has gasoline prices affected your life style?

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presidente

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Plant gardens if you can. I'm not sure if the electricity is worth it for running electrical hydroponics, but there is a way to just set up buckets with plungers connected together if you want to go that route. I need to get out there and plant some seeds soon. At least if we don't have to buy greens and certain vegeetables, that might help. It's also convenient. The green parts of a lot of squash plants can be eaten, but you should cut open zucchini stems and wash any grit out of them first. I did that when I planted them in a place with too much shade to get much 'fruit.'

I hear Schumberger pulled out of some of Russia's oil fields in the east. They also lost a support company out of the US for some of their western operations. They may not be able to keep churning the oil out without companies that can run certain aspects of their operations. That detracts from global oil supply, so prices may go up more globally. This stuff is all interconnected with not just the price of food since we have to pay high gas prices to transport everything and that is wound into the price of food. But it also affects the price of the inputs to grow the food.

If petroleum is high, since some fertilizers are high, the price of fertilizer goes up. There could be food shortages, globally. I'm in the US. I'm thinking of emailing congressional representatives to stop the subsidies not to grow stuff for this year so our farmers can export to the world, increase supply, and decrease starvation and high prices. This is important for grains that can be transported great distances, especially. If they want to subsidize, they can subsidize growing food. US farmers might actually make more money, which is what the congressmen probably want to hear. But it could also help prevent some starvation in developing countries and take a bit of the edge off the global poor if we grow more. You could mention that, too.

If you are from the US, you might email your congressmen and senators about this idea. if you are from other countries with similar programs in their agriculture sector, you might suggest the same thing.
 

presidente

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Where I live in Missouri it’s back down to $3.55 a gallon.
I just liked a post about $3.55 a gallon. Just a few years ago, that price sounded crazy. Now it sounds like a deal. I'm not sure if this money recirculates somehow, but I think for Americans since we aren't energy independent, high gas prices are a bit of an economic black hole, sucking a lot of money out of our economy.
 
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Not approving the Keystone pipeline. Regulations that make fracking hard to do.

The high oil prices may be what motivated Putin to attack when he did, partly at least. I read 40% of Russia's state revenues came from oil and gas a few years ago. Prices have gone way up since then. The war is expensive, but his oil and gas are high.

If Biden opened the pipeline and drove the price of oil down by doing so, that might put some pressure on Russian and help us regular Americans out a little, too. It might put some brakes on inflation.
Let me ask you another question:

Do you know anything about the pipeline? And how does a pipeline that hasn't existed all along, be the cause of rising gas prices?

I'll give you several FACTS:

1) The XL pipeline was being rerouted, in violation of a contract with the Souix of North Dakota. This happened YEARS BEFORE Biden even took office. To retroactively blame something on the president is....is.....so mind-blowngly illogical that even an 8 year old would be smacking their forehead.

2) Even if Biden WERE in office, what's his job? What's the job of the POTUS? It's to "uphold the constitution of the United States," correct?

What are reservation lands? Reservations are semi-dependant nations in the United States, constituted through treaties.

Look up the "Supremely Clause" of the Constitution. Article VI, Clause 2.

Because we have treaties with the Sioux, those treaties MUST be upheld. Unless you disagree with the rule of law?

The Sioux have the right to maintain control over their land. Private companies DON'T NOT! have the right to encroach upon said land. So. A contract was signed in order to lay the XL Pipeline through a very small portion of Sioux reservation land that was to follow along the borders of their land. This was agreed to by the Sioux elders.

Well, the company constructing the pipeline decided it would be cheaper to just lay pipe in a straighter line, further inside Sioux territory, which was in direct violation of the contract signed by both parties!

By LAW, the pipeline HAD to be shutdown! Period! End of story!

3) That pipeline was to take the crud from the Canadian oil sands, and ship it down to the only place on the planet willing to take that sour crap. And most of those refineries in Texas that were willing to deal with it, would only do so in case productivity of better oil and natural gas started slipping. The crap flowing through the pipeline, would be of the lowest priority for those refineries.

4) Canada was in the midst of shutting down the oil sands operation anyway, as they had agreed to the IPCC Paris Climate talks, and are now in the middle of constructing geothermal, hydro, and wind power. So without those oil sands, the pipeline wouldn't even be used to begin with!

5) We had already achieved energy independance under Obama. I should know. I'm from PA, have a brother-in-law that's been in the oilfield (natural gas fracking) since 2008, and I just recently left it after 5 years. That pipeline literally....L.I.T.E.R.A.L.L.Y!!! Had nothing to do with our energy independence. And it wasn't going to make any serious contribution anyway for reasons stated above.

6) Russia attacked Crimea already. What are you talking about with this having anything to do with Russia attacking the rest of Ukraine? Russia's just trying to finish the job, exactly what Bush Jr. was doing in Iraq in 2003.

7) And finally, natural gas burns hotter than oil. Which means you need to burn less of it to produce the same amount of energy, and it also burns cleaner than oil. Not to mention, it has put a whole crap ton of people on the east coast into new work. Any coal miner that tries to sell you on the idea of how they wanted their jobs back, and that they needed their mining jobs back, is full of crap! All they're doing, is lying to you for political purposes. Nobody wants to mine coal, when it's much easier, cheaper, safer, healthier, cleaner, and a thousand times more efficient to frack for natural gas. That Marcellus and Utica shales, extend from NY state, all the way throughout the PA, out into Ohio, and down into West Virginia. There are no coal jobs left. They are never coming back. And nobody wants it to come back.

Anyway, that's my screed. I gotta run. I don't have time to proofread, so I hope what I wrote makes some sort of sense and it isn't full of grammatical and spelling errors.
 

presidente

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You know what, Nihilianth, I saw news about the Sioux, and wasn't aware the pipeline issue was resolved by violating a treaty. I don't know the cost of putting the pipe where it belongs and all the costs and benefit analysis. I get some info from media in broad terms without the nitty gritty numbers, like a lot of us. You can take 'open the pipleline' in my post as a category that includes reducing restrictions on other petroleum-producing activities as well.
 

tourist

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Sounds so familiar. My truck turned into a project truck when a SUV slammed into the driver side engine panel.

I went to school to learn how to fix it. But unfortunately life now has me driving a car money went elsewhere. Now it sits in my yard needing probably $2000 to $3000 dollars worth of work done to it. Old trucks in less completely refurbished seems to always need work lol.

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Nice looking Ford in your driveway.
 

tourist

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Hasn't had too much of an effect as I work about 2 miles away. Walmart is about a mile away.
 

sk8boredn

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Doesn't. I spend most of my life at work. Still have to go, so what can I do about it? Almost $6 a gallon. It is what it is.