While the Bible never condones lying (lying for the sake of lying), does it condone lying in order to preserve a higher moral imperative? For example, As has been exampled, Rahab purposed to deceive (the lesser moral law) in order to preserve the lives of two Jewish spies (the higher moral law). Likewise, a Christian father today should he not lie despite it being a catalyst in helping protect his wife and daughters from the imminent threat of rape or murder? Or is it that we simply say we won't lie and God will help us to make it ok in the end in any circumstance Supernaturally (even in practical supernaturalness; or even in an outcome that appears in human terms to be a defeat)?
Finally,I believe there is a Scriptural difference between lying and not telling the truth. This is not merely a matter of semantics; it is a matter of substance. By way of analogy, there is a difference between unjustified and justified homicide. Murder is unjustified homicide and is always wrong. Not every instance of killing a person, however, is murder. Capital punishment and self-defense occasion justified homicide. Similarly, in the case of a lie (Annanias and Sapphira, Acts 5) there is an unjustified discrepancy between what you believe and what you say, and so lying is always wrong. But not telling the truth in order to preserve a higher moral law (Rahab, Joshua 2) is it to be the right thing to do and thus is not actually a lie?
I believe it is God's will that counts in all these matters not our motives one way or the other. Now the first thing that came to mind is "The truth will set men free..." and thus I grasp onto that Spiritual Truth and conclude - I would say God never wants us to lie. But truth be told, if God would have us lie in His will for a purpose He intends would that then be wrong - even by way of exception over the rule? Could we say then, God never wants us to never lie? Jesus told many He healed not to tell what had happened to them to others, and He did this because it was not yet time for His sacrifice (A purpose of God's choosing). But was Jesus asking them to lie if confronted? Or would God have established the persons steps enabling them not to lie but to divert the truth without intent to divulge mistruth? I will be listening for peoples Scriptural references for sure. Interesting...isn't it?
Very interesting, as discernment is needed in this. Matthew 10:16-20, Luke 21:14-15, Father who knows all things, I desire fro his lead in all things, being willing to be dead to me and this world.
No, it is not okay ever to harm another for any self-gain over it in doing it. That is what I will be Judged over when my day comes. Oh wait a sec it has come, I am already willingly dead to this world and me.
Where new life in Risen Christ today Starts, and we get led anew. Not as in the old days, but now in the new, The Risen Christ has taken over only those that are willing to Father for this get to see this if one does not quit belief to see, one day will see by not denying God as Job also did not deny God and Stephan who went willingly to death in front of Saul. So amazing to be willing to be dead to the flesh nature, and then be held back up alive by God.
Acts 17:28, Gal 2:20-21 To be led, can one sin again? Yes! does one and all sin again after belief today?
YES!
Can anyone stop sin in them whatever they believe is a sin to them in doing what they do not want to do?
So tell me you all, is it that God Father wants you to quit sinning as it appears in the Old Testament in the Law given by Moses from God through him?
Can anyone besides the Son, Jesus the Christ not ever sin at least one time? So then we all are guilty ad need deliverance do we not.
Now about Rahab, how many know she is King David's Great Grandmother. Interesting yes. Father saves sinners, turns them around by his kindness as people are the tyrants, not God himself.
So am I saying you can Lie or steal or commit adultery????????????????????????????????????????????
All things are forgiven today in the dead Christ, ALL he took it all with him to death for us to be reconciled to Father, as stated in 1 Cor. 5:17-20 Reconciled, the same as forgiven made back right
So all things are permissible, yet not all things are not beneficial!
So is murder beneficial, is Adultery beneficial, stealing, lying, deceiving?????????
Each person decides as Rahab decided it is beneficial for her to save God's chosen ones then in that time of life. She chose to believe and Father revealed the truth to her.
Moses doubted God in at the burning bush, God showed him and Moses stuttered and revealed doubt to God anyway then.
So Moses goes on his way to Egypt and stops at an Inn on his way, and God shows up to kill him, read it in Exodus 4 around the twentieth verses
God is a loving merciful God, that is true, and so he has died through Son once for everyone to be saved in the Risen Life of Son, not in his death. The death was for reconciliation, propitiation, in all today are forgiven through Son from Father's view, Even if one sins again, we all remain forgiven from Farther but not others.
1John 2:1-2,12, Eph, 1:6-7,13
To see you as forgiven is forbidden in religion, but acts as if it is not forbidden. Religion says Yes you are Forgiven BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! here then comes the Billy-Goat butting in.
Condemning you, you, you, you, you ,you and you too. As so we each go to our corners and find others that agree with us and start our own religions as if we are right and all others are wrong.
So we have as persons built Churches on the corner of walk don't walk with attitudes I am right and you are wrong
God Forbid, do we not see where the true Tabernacle is???????????????????
[h=1]Hebrews 8:1-4Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h]
[FONT="]8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens; 2 a minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man. 3 For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer. 4 For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
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[h=1]Hebrews 8:11-13Authorized (King James) Version (AKJV)[/h]
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[FONT="]11 and they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. 12 For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more. 13 In that he saith, A new covenant, he hath made the first old. Now that which decayeth and waxeth old is ready to vanish away.
So go ahead and sin again you are free to do that today, it is all taken away by God for you, done at the cross for all once it is done John 19:30.
I see to appreciate this and not take it for granted as the person in Mattew 18:24-35 did.
So I see to not take it for granted and stand in thanksgiving and praise and hope to not sin against Father period
So I am being taught how to walk Titus 2:11-12, and choose not t harm anyone against anyone's will
Thank You as in Psalms 100:4, and 103:12
Col 1:21-23, especially verse 22, I do not see how anyone can make themselves better than already made Holy by Fatherf through Son tha tis rien as proof[/FONT]