Is Social Darwinism compatible with Christianity?

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Be they "Darwin's" theories or not, I believe in evolution and the struggle for survival (survival of the fittest) and that it's not theory but fact that has existed in nature before Darwin. Darwin just explained to us how it all works, he didn't invent it. I see divinity in that struggle for victory (survival).

Do you know if 'free market economics' and 'competition' are supported in the Bible? Or are the teachings of Christ more inclined towards a kibbutz way of life?
yes, there is the passage in Scripture stating 'if man is not willing to work neither shall he eat', and another 'let those who stole, steal no more laboring with their hands providing those in true need',
 

Angela53510

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So what you're saying is that I have to completely reevaluate my own standpoints if I am to become a "true" Christian? Isn't the 'Christian right' in the United States often associated with having Social Darwinist standpoints?

And would you say that 'comptetition between humans over resources' is highly un-Christian? I understand that it is easier for a camel to pass through a needle's eye than for a rich man to enter the Kingdom of Heaven, but surely they must mean those who are born rich and not those who have been successful through life and earned their wealth.
When I became a Christian - met the Lord Jesus Christ and believed, I was a new ager, and living immorally in every way shape or form. I knew instantly I had to give up drinking, to change my wicked ways, and to stop believing in ridiculous concepts like astrology and reincarnation.

You have some social/political concepts you have adopted and that is totally different than the life changing power of Jesus Christ through the Holy Spirit. Really, they are irrelevant, just like my former beliefs and lifestyle were irrelevant. Only following Christ matters, and I URGE you not to turn away from this calling of God on your life. You will find more joy, peace and truth as you grow in the knowledge of Christ and the truth of the Bible.

Just for your information, God not only expects us to care for the poor, he also uses it as a criteria for salvation. (Yes, I do find them to be "hard" and complicated sayings of Jesus!)

“Then he will say to those on his left, ‘Depart from me, you cursed, into the eternal fire prepared for the devil and his angels. [SUP]42 [/SUP]For I was hungry and you gave me no food, I was thirsty and you gave me no drink, [SUP]43 [/SUP]I was a stranger and you did not welcome me, naked and you did not clothe me, sick and in prison and you did not visit me.’ [SUP]44 [/SUP]Then they also will answer, saying, ‘Lord, when did we see you hungry or thirsty or a stranger or naked or sick or in prison, and did not minister to you?’ [SUP]45 [/SUP]Then he will answer them, saying, ‘Truly, I say to you, as you did not do it to one of the least of these, you did not do it to me.’ [SUP]46 [/SUP]And these will go away into eternal punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.” Matt 25:41-46



A lot of people don't read those verses. As for the rest, Christ came to change our hearts from within.

“This is the covenant that I will make with them
after those days, declares the Lord:
I will put my laws on their hearts,
and write them on their minds,” Hebrews 10:16

Your theories and opinions do not equal the truth of God's Word. Really Social Darwinism is about as far from Christianity as possible. If you read the New Testament you will find that out.

As for nationalism and ethnic separatism, not seeing that anywhere in the New Testament. In fact, this is what Paul has to say about social, gender and ethnic differences:

"There is neither Jew nor Greek, there is neither slave nor free, there is no male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus." Gal. 3:28

Reading the Old Testament, where God chose a specific people for the Messiah to be born of, does not give rise to the continued separation that was necessary for God to prepare a people for Jesus. The coming of Christ fulfilled that need, and we are all now one in Christ.

As for the way God wants us to think and believe, this is probably the best Bible verse to memorize:

"Do not be conformed to this world, but be transformed by the renewal of your mind, that by testing you may discern what is the will of God, what is good and acceptable and perfect" Romans 12:2
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Originally Posted by Wikipedia The term social Darwinism is often used to describe the use of concepts of struggle for existence and survival of the fittest to justify social policies which make no distinction between those able to support themselves and those unable to support themselves. Many such views stress competition between individuals in laissez-faire capitalism; but similar concepts have motivated ideas of eugenics, racism, imperialism, fascism, Nazism and struggle between national or racial groups.
If you have never read a book entitled "From Darwin to Hitler" by Richard Weikart, I would recommend you do.
 
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Red_Skull

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I would appreciate it if there were no more reductio ad Hitlerum arguments in this thread. I have very positive opinions about both Fascism and National Socialism and those types of posts or arguments only make me less interested in what you have to say.
 

Angela53510

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Red-Skull, are your really from the country your flag suggests? I ask because those are former communist countries, and you may have been unduly influenced in your education and growing up by this philosophy. But even those countries are trying to incorporate democracy and capitalism.

My son played hockey in a country near where you are, and he said it was very interesting to see the way the society was changing, but not yet changed into a full fledged western type democracy.

I think the discussion really ends at Fascism and National Socialism, which even Germany and Italy are ashamed of and have repented and asked forgiveness for the damage that was done during those years.

God bless, and I do pray you will find Christ. He will change the way you think, it will just take some time. Read the New Testament, and God will be revealed, and the fact that God is a God of both love and mercy, and justice.
 
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nathan3

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Then we also have those poor people that are poor just because they are lazy and find ways to drain the system. Is it not Christian to treat them as sinners, because they are in reality thieves? Do they not deserve to be in the position they are in? An example would be the large number of third world immigrants coming to Sweden that refuse to work and are abusing our extensive welfare system.
That's just called Communism.




And is 'competition' between groups so un-Christian? Like in a capitalist system for example. Do most of you find capitalism completely immoral and un-Christian?

(Just to be clear: I am not in favor of unregulated capitalism. We should have laws in place that protect the environment, and protect people from being entirely pushed out of the system into poverty.)

Nothing wrong I can see with good competition. When you play by the laws of the land. And God's laws For sure that guide a Christian's life. Then what you work for is yours to do with as you please.. Everything and everyone in the proper order.
 
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Red_Skull

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Red-Skull, are your really from the country your flag suggests? I ask because those are former communist countries, and you may have been unduly influenced in your education and growing up by this philosophy. But even those countries are trying to incorporate democracy and capitalism.

My son played hockey in a country near where you are, and he said it was very interesting to see the way the society was changing, but not yet changed into a full fledged western type democracy.
I was born and raised in Sweden (Stockholm County) and I still live here. I have only been to the Serbian Fatherland once when I was about 9 months old (to be baptized into the Serbian Orthodox Church). Even though I've lived in Sweden all my life I still identify as a Serb because blood means more than a piece of paper (citizenship).

But then again, Sweden is called a socialist nightmare by some people so your argument is still valid in many ways. But don't worry, I am not an atheist. I believe in God, an afterlife and that there is something more to the world we see (a spiritual realm perhaps), but I'm not quite sure (or convinced) that the spiritual and physical realms are separate, just that we as mere humans cannot see the entirety of God's creation.

My views today can best be described as pantheistic, but I do believe that whatever "God" is, that it is not some materialist randomness most atheists speak of. This universe exists because someone or something Willed it.

I think the discussion really ends at Fascism and National Socialism, which even Germany and Italy are ashamed of and have repented and asked forgiveness for the damage that was done during those years.
They're ashamed because the victorious Allies wanted them to be. People would have been ashamed of democracy and multiculturalism had the Axis won. But that is very off topic, and if you want to continue that kind of discussion then I kindly ask you to please do so over Private Messages.

God bless, and I do pray you will find Christ. He will change the way you think, it will just take some time. Read the New Testament, and God will be revealed, and the fact that God is a God of both love and mercy, and justice.
Thank you Angela. I will keep reading the New Testament, and hopefully it will provide the answers I seek. :)

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AgeofKnowledge, after reading your last Private Message I realize that I am conversing with a very wise man and a dealing with a much greater mind than my own. You will get a reply soon, and probably many questions, when I have the time to give you the answer you deserve.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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Angela, for my part I appreciate your comments.

No disrespect intended Red Skull.

The clip I posted above is interesting because this is the man that murdered the Nuestra Familia leader at the Chino Institute for Men cementing the working relationship between AB and the MM in the California state prison system and then stabbed almost murdering the Supreme Commander of the BGF shortly afterwards making him a legend in those circles.

And here he is thirty years later a Christian Chaplain with the law of God written on his spiritually renewed heart. That's quite a turn around.

For the reasons that Angela points out, spiritually unregenerate people will look at this with a different POV than someone whose heart has been spiritually regenerated by God.

I remember when my heart was spiritually regenerated. It didn't make me perfect by any stretch of the imagination. But something had changed inside me as a result of God interacting with my spirit from dimension beyond this universe. Addictions literally fell off me over the next few weeks and God even sent an angel that reached into my body and supernaturally healed a serious esophagus ulcer during worship and allowed me to feel it happen. And though I don't need any verification for myself obviously, yes I can pass any lie detector test and have the medical records to prove it.

My POV is very different, as a result, than a deceived, spiritually dead/unregenerate person and so is Fred's.
 
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AgeofKnowledge

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And Red Skull, I've met some Serbian Christians here in the states. They tend to be very nationalistic and no nonsense in my experience. I'm friends with a family of Serbs that have done quite well for themselves. One of them is a missionary in Serbia where he married and started a family there. He returned to his ancestral homeland you could say.