1. There is no new Jerusalem today. And the messiah is not on his throne in the New Jerusalem. The new jerusalem will not come to be until after Christ destroys this heaven and earth we know today
(Galatians 4:26) But Jerusalem which is above is free, which is the mother of us all.
What is Jerusalem above?
(Matthew 28:18) And Jesus came and spake unto them, saying, All power is given unto me in heaven and in earth.
Are you telling me Christ is not King?
Are you saying we are not citizens of Gods Kingdom NOW? Is the Kingdom of God upon us?
2. God promised David he would have a son who would sit in his throne in the city named after him (the city of David, or Jerusalem)
And Jesus made it absolutely clear that His Kingdom was not of this world. So are you gonna trust Jesus or
Disptortions of ancient OT verses?
Jesus is the son of David.
Jesus is reigning NOW.
(Matthew 21:5) Tell ye the daughter of Sion, Behold, thy King cometh unto thee, meek, and sitting upon an ass, and a colt the foal of an ass.
(Luke 19:38) Saying, Blessed be the King that cometh in the name of the Lord: peace in heaven, and glory in the highest.
Christ has been on Davids throne for a long long time. In the SPIRITUAL city of David, New Jerusalem. To say this will have EARTHLY FLESH fulfillment is to contradict Jesus Himself.
3. Revelations speaks of 1000 year reign, Where Satan is bound and NOT able to decieve the nations. Satan is not bound today. Has never been bound to the point he can not decieve the nations.
Name me one single nation that is deceived by Satan. You have over 300 to choose from. Of course you would need a nation where there is not one Christian living there, for if there is a Christian there and the Gospel is there then that nation is certainly not deceived.
(Matthew 12:29) Or else how can one enter into a strong man's house, and spoil his goods, except he first bind the strong man? and then he will spoil his house.
Satan BOUND.
4. Prophesy has to be interpreted literally. 69 weeks were fulfilled to the day. Any time God has prophesied any time frame, It has been fulfilled literally. To interpret this 1000 years as meaning anything but a literal 1000 is wrong.
Maybe you should tell Peter?
(2 Peter 3:8) But, beloved, be not ignorant of this one thing, that one day is with the Lord as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day.
All 70 weeks were fulfilled. Christ fulfilled them, thats why I accept Him as Messiah.
(Matthew 11:13) For all the prophets and the law prophesied until John.
Did the prophets prophesie 2000 years AFTER John or UNTIL John, like Jesus said?
Listen to your KING:
(Luke 24:44) And he said unto them, These are the words which I spake unto you, while I was yet with you, that all things must be fulfilled, which were written in the law of Moses, and in the prophets, and in the psalms, concerning me.
(Luke 24:45) Then opened he their understanding, that they might understand the scriptures,
(Luke 24:46) And said unto them, Thus it is written, and thus it behoved Christ to suffer, and to rise from the dead the third day:
(Luke 24:47) And that repentance and remission of sins should be preached in his name among all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
(Luke 24:48) And ye are witnesses of these things.
(Luke 24:49) And, behold, I send the promise of my Father upon you: but tarry ye in the city of Jerusalem, until ye be endued with power from on high.
ALL FULFILLED. All the promises gentle friend. Believe IT IS FINISHED.
5. As I said, the messiah only fulfilled one point of everything prophesied about him. He is yet to fulfill the rest of the stuff prophesied about him.
Then why do you accept Him as Messiah? He didnt do His job!
6. I do not listen to other men. I study myself. I have studied this for almost 30 years. It is my favorite subject. I have studied ALL points of view. The only part I am not sure of is when Christ will "catch up" the church.
Oh boy.....pre-trib rapture too? I guess thats inevitable.
I can't do that. Paul talks about NATURAL Flesh in romans 11. Not spiritual. I can not just throw a whole chapter of the bible out just because I want to believe something that is not true. If God through Paul says that at the end of the time of the gentiles (which would be the church age) the jews will repent and all isreal will be saved. If the prophety ezekial says God will regather natural Israel from the world where they were scattered because of sin. I can trust God that he will make it happen. I do not have to prove it. Can you prove there is a heaven? Yet you have faith in it.
Other people have shown you that the times of the gentiles is fulfilled by the Gospel age, NOT at the END of the Gospel age. All those things have been fulfilled.
what? Who said anything about pharisees being saved? "All Israel" means all israel who are alive and on earth at the time the prophesy is fulfilled. Never since Christ was here has every natural born child of jacob been born again. They are blinded at this time still. It is not that hard. Think about what your saying. It makes no sense!
Which again begs the question, if this prophecy is fulfilled in the future, how will you know? Answer. You wont. Therefore your theology makes no sense.
Jeremiah 31: 33-34
33 But this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the LORD: I will put My law in their minds, and write it on their hearts; and I will be their God, and they shall be My people. 34 No more shall every man teach his neighbor, and every man his brother, saying, ‘Know the LORD,’ for they all shall know Me, from the least of them to the greatest of them, says the LORD. For I will forgive their iniquity, and their sin I will remember no more.”
Yes the gospel has gone out. But what Jeremiah said in the above prophesy has not happened.. We can not even all agree in here. Jeremiah says in those days everyone will agree. Huge difference!
I dont see the words 'everyone shall agree' in the verse you cited. Jesus is the most famous person on Earth. Everyone KNOWS Him. Our sins have been forgiven. He remembers our iniquity no more. Yes the verse speaks of the houses of Judah and of Israel and AGAIN you dont know that this has been fulfilled. You cant possibly know.
I am not looking for it. Who said I was? I know it will happen though. Because GOD SAID IT WILL. Thats good enough for me!
Your expectations prove you are looking for it. If your not careful you will get caught in the pharisees plan.
lol. No pride is reading the word of God and ignoring it. and not seeing what it says. Romans 11 is not fullfille.d Jeremiah 33 is not fulfilled. EZ 37 is not fulilled. And I have never stated todays jews would fullfill it. why do you keep saying this? the twelve tribes are more than jew2s. Yet I have said this before.
Huh? Why do I keep saying what? I SAID YOU know that "jews" are not fulfillment thats why your position makes even less sense than a full on dispy.
All prophecies are fulfilled. Carnal eyes wont see it though.
(1 Corinthians 2:14) But the natural man receiveth not the things of the Spirit of God: for they are foolishness unto him: neither can he know them, because they are spiritually discerned.
the point is, if we have always been saved the same way. what are all the different covenants for? If these covenants were not given as a "this is how you get to heaven" covenant "as the covenant of grace is today" then what did they mean?
To reveal our need for a saviour?