Jerusalems fall
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What I see is that God is accounting for their blindness. He's using the fact that they still want to make daily animal sacrifices. God tells us about it in John's Revelation. Also of how the antichrist will also take advantage of the Jews and cater to them for awhile by helping them build their silly temple and letting them make their daily animal sacrifices.
Also take note that the Jews must already be in their land, Israel, and that they have full control over all of Jerusalem which has already come to pass. This is why I'm not bothering about other people's interpretations of what the Bible says.
The only thing that still must be addressed is the dome of the rock and I have a feeling that the antichrist will destroy it so that the Jews will get their temple. Meanwhile, the antichrist wants that temple because then he can desecrate it 3-1/2 years later to try to make himself god.
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Also take note that the Jews must already be in their land, Israel, and that they have full control over all of Jerusalem which has already come to pass. This is why I'm not bothering about other people's interpretations of what the Bible says.
The only thing that still must be addressed is the dome of the rock and I have a feeling that the antichrist will destroy it so that the Jews will get their temple. Meanwhile, the antichrist wants that temple because then he can desecrate it 3-1/2 years later to try to make himself god.
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I think God got them to do it. Later on, the UN was like, "...WHAT WAS I THINKING?!??..." but it was too late! 
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when the disciples asked Jesus “ what will be the sign of these things ( Jerusalem and the temples destruction )
and what will be the signs of the end of the world and your coming ?
Jesus tells them of the total destruction of Jerusalem and the temple buildings but in all those signs he gives he never says anything about the temple being rebuilt or Jews being gathered back into the land . My point is he says that in the Old Testament bout the time Babylon had conquered and scattered israel the first time
bit seven hundred years later when the messiah had finally come they were all returning to the land under the previous kingdoms that ruled Greece and now rome orders .
Even in those times mass immigration of foreigners was an issue for nations where Israelis were fleeing to and everyone wanted them gone even then people from other nations blamed immigrants and refugees for societies issues. And truly it causes a lot of societal issues that makes it hard for citizens but nevertheless
Greece and Rome were dealing with that issue then and Israelites already were being led back I ton th owe land because other nations were tired of having them consume thier resources.
at he Jews sadly have been the most persecuted people on earth in our relevant time period we hear of the host the terrible true tragedy and horror . But they have endured things like that since Babylon conquered them in ad 600 not exactly genocides always but often enslavement and captivity and exile from thier homelands
under greece they began to re order them into Israel to solve the issues and inder rome it was put on express because they wanted peaceful rule within the territories governed by the Roman Empire and those preceding empires also dealt with the same issues we do today when immigration is the subject
these are curses written in the law against Israel’s tribes and their descendants if the covenant law was broken . It is the source of why the Jewish peoples really the children of Jacob specifically ( Israel ) have suffered so much over the past I don’t know maybe 3000 appx years and even to this day they are surrounded on all sides and just endured a massive terrorist attack on oct 7 last year where over a th it’s d Jews were killed simply because they are the people that they are
people who have read the law carefully the blessings and the curses understand why the Jewish people have endured what they have .
i do actually believe before Christ returns there will be alot of Israelites who convert however if not all of them at that time The people of Israel saved indeed the earthly land of Israel not
Yes I respect what you see and think please don’t think otherwise !! and it’s a beautiful idea your talking about there worth consideration
and I do appreciate the friendly discussion as always !!! I bet you we agree on this ?
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 KJV
We might have other scriptures that add to the understanding but I’m glad we agree on that one for certain I’m assuming !!!
and I do appreciate the friendly discussion as always !!! I bet you we agree on this ?
“For God so loved the world, that he gave his only begotten Son, that whosoever believeth in him should not perish, but have everlasting life.
John 3:16 KJV
We might have other scriptures that add to the understanding but I’m glad we agree on that one for certain I’m assuming !!!
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There were a lot of things Jesus didn't say because He only had a certain amount of time before He was to return to the Father. So what He told us was the things that will happen that will directly impact us and how we are to deal with them. If you notice, what He told us was what we must do when this happens, that is, to watch out that no one deceives us. Then He told us all that things that could happen directly to us.
The prophecies that the major and minor prophets, and John revealed were about stuff that is going to happen in the rest of the world. Something that will be out of our control and therefore no direct instructions about those things. That's why Jesus never talked about all that. Also just because Jesus never mentioned those things, He would still want us to consider what the rest of the Bible says.
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The prophecies that the major and minor prophets, and John revealed were about stuff that is going to happen in the rest of the world. Something that will be out of our control and therefore no direct instructions about those things. That's why Jesus never talked about all that. Also just because Jesus never mentioned those things, He would still want us to consider what the rest of the Bible says.
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I understand Revelation to be the de facto standard for events in time and space: eternal truths, which, in the fullness of time, are revealed in the earth.
The woman, for example, is clearly Jerusalem.
But she is also the church who succumbs to the world and its leaders in the last days.
There are many examples of "the woman" in scripture.
The man child is clearly Jesus.
But he is also the corporate son who emerges from the church as the standard in the earth in the last days.
The are many examples of "a son who is given" throughout the Old and New Testaments.
Just as there were anti-christs in the world long ago there will be a man who embodies that wickedness in the days to come.
These things are not strange. Christ is singular in that only by Him are we reconciled to the Father.
But Christ is also corporate: believers make up His flesh and His bones.
Depending upon perspective I am 'father', 'son', 'husband', 'brother', or gender-neutral 'friend', etc. The label I wear depends upon your view.
Revelation represents the essence of the thing/person in its purest form. The book literally presents Truth from the perspective of Jesus Christ: the one who bridges the natural and the eternal.
The woman, for example, is clearly Jerusalem.
But she is also the church who succumbs to the world and its leaders in the last days.
There are many examples of "the woman" in scripture.
The man child is clearly Jesus.
But he is also the corporate son who emerges from the church as the standard in the earth in the last days.
The are many examples of "a son who is given" throughout the Old and New Testaments.
Just as there were anti-christs in the world long ago there will be a man who embodies that wickedness in the days to come.
These things are not strange. Christ is singular in that only by Him are we reconciled to the Father.
But Christ is also corporate: believers make up His flesh and His bones.
Depending upon perspective I am 'father', 'son', 'husband', 'brother', or gender-neutral 'friend', etc. The label I wear depends upon your view.
Revelation represents the essence of the thing/person in its purest form. The book literally presents Truth from the perspective of Jesus Christ: the one who bridges the natural and the eternal.
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Careful. You'll get called an "antisemite" for writing such things.
(Such aspersions identify those who are into politics over their heads.)
(Such aspersions identify those who are into politics over their heads.)
I was called "antisemetic" for suggesting that a single path of redemption was offered to all mankind: through Christ Jesus.
I also asked, according to their doctrine (that there is one covenant for the Jews and another for the non-Jews), if a Jew who comes to Christ must decide between their small portion of land mentioned in the old covenant or the entire kingdom of God secured in Christ in the new covenant. I was called an antisemite for that question.
I also asked, according to their doctrine (that there is one covenant for the Jews and another for the non-Jews), if a Jew who comes to Christ must decide between their small portion of land mentioned in the old covenant or the entire kingdom of God secured in Christ in the new covenant. I was called an antisemite for that question.
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How about his apostles afterwards th ey never taught it either did they ? I’m asking you actually not rhetorically because I actually don’t remember ever reading that in the epistles or acts and am asking if you maybe know if a place where they discuss Jerusalems earthly restoration or rebuilding of the Jewish temple ?
I see this alot in the New Testament
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. ….For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16 KJV
“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
John 14:2-3 KJV
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19 KJV
“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:9-11 KJV
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
I go away to prepare a place for you and I will return and take you to be with me where I am we’ll be together in a better place
I see this alot in the New Testament
“These all died in faith, not having received the promises, but having seen them afar off, and were persuaded of them, and embraced them, and confessed that they were strangers and pilgrims on the earth. ….For they that say such things declare plainly that they seek a country. But now they desire a better country, that is, an heavenly: wherefore God is not ashamed to be called their God: for he hath prepared for them a city.”
Hebrews 11:13-14, 16 KJV
“In my Father's house are many mansions: if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.
And if I go and prepare a place for you,
I will come again, and receive you unto myself; that where I am, there ye may be also.”
John 14:2-3 KJV
“So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.”
Mark 16:19 KJV
“And when he had spoken these things, while they beheld, he was taken up; and a cloud received him out of their sight.
And while they looked stedfastly toward heaven as he went up, behold, two men stood by them in white apparel; which also said, Ye men of Galilee, why stand ye gazing up into heaven? this same Jesus, which is taken up from you into heaven, shall so come in like manner as ye have seen him go into heaven.”
Acts 1:9-11 KJV
“For the Lord himself shall descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of the archangel, and with the trump of God: and the dead in Christ shall rise first: then we which are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds, to meet the Lord in the air: and so shall we ever be with the Lord.”
1 Thessalonians 4:16-17
I go away to prepare a place for you and I will return and take you to be with me where I am we’ll be together in a better place
Yeah people get carried away brother I’m sorry that happened
my king and my savior and Lord was born a Jew and died for me , all my heroes were born Israelites other than my daddy and mama . All my favorite writers were born Jewish ……I pray for the nation of Israel to accept Jesus , I watch the nation of Israel regarding prophetic things I actually do read regarding them in tbe end times ect
I just believe tbat any human from a Muslim to a Jew to an atheist needs to repent and believe the everlasting Gospel because it is Gods only way given to man to be saved
I’m pro every human believing the lord regardless of race , gender , age , past creeds or beliefs and in most cases actions ……I believe all of us can be saved regardless of any factors of flesh and blood and we don’t need to convert to Judaism in order to be a Christian
sort of a position that No particular one is extra special or chosen to God anymore apart from Jesus , who makes us all precious to him that believe is my position that israelite man born a Jew under law Bout 2000 years ago is my hero I’m definately pro Israel I just don’t think the United Nations lol is an operative of the lord
my king and my savior and Lord was born a Jew and died for me , all my heroes were born Israelites other than my daddy and mama . All my favorite writers were born Jewish ……I pray for the nation of Israel to accept Jesus , I watch the nation of Israel regarding prophetic things I actually do read regarding them in tbe end times ect
I just believe tbat any human from a Muslim to a Jew to an atheist needs to repent and believe the everlasting Gospel because it is Gods only way given to man to be saved
I’m pro every human believing the lord regardless of race , gender , age , past creeds or beliefs and in most cases actions ……I believe all of us can be saved regardless of any factors of flesh and blood and we don’t need to convert to Judaism in order to be a Christian
sort of a position that No particular one is extra special or chosen to God anymore apart from Jesus , who makes us all precious to him that believe is my position that israelite man born a Jew under law Bout 2000 years ago is my hero I’m definately pro Israel I just don’t think the United Nations lol is an operative of the lord
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They were too busy spreading the gospel which was is the most important thing. The end times wasn't going to happen in their lifetime so I don't think the Holy Spirit was going to have them put their energy into that. Also John didn't receive that revelation until near the end of his life (Revelation written around 96AD and John died some time after 98AD). By that time, the rest of the Apostles were dead.
It's interesting what Daniel wrote. After an angel told him a lot of mind-blowing stuff, he writes,
Daniel 12:8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
So this is why the apostles didn't bother including the end times in their message. It simply wasn't the time for it and none of the new Christians would need to know about it.
It is interesting to know though that more Christians are starting to study the end times prophecies NOW and are starting to understand it.
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It's interesting what Daniel wrote. After an angel told him a lot of mind-blowing stuff, he writes,
Daniel 12:8 I heard, but I did not understand. So I asked, “My lord, what will the outcome of all this be?”
9 He replied, “Go your way, Daniel, because the words are rolled up and sealed until the time of the end. 10 Many will be purified, made spotless and refined, but the wicked will continue to be wicked. None of the wicked will understand, but those who are wise will understand.
11 “From the time that the daily sacrifice is abolished and the abomination that causes desolation is set up, there will be 1,290 days. 12 Blessed is the one who waits for and reaches the end of the 1,335 days.
So this is why the apostles didn't bother including the end times in their message. It simply wasn't the time for it and none of the new Christians would need to know about it.
It is interesting to know though that more Christians are starting to study the end times prophecies NOW and are starting to understand it.
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But ….they did clearly and repeatedly give an end times message that doesn’t include a word about Israel’s earthly restoration
instead they teach of a heavenly Jerusalem where Christ is king that will come to a new earth after this one ends
sort of notice how the Old Testament mainly focuses on israel the people it’s given to and thier land ?
But the New Testament focuses on all nations converting to the gospel and being saved from death and hell ? From the end of this creation ? Inheriting an everlasting kingdom with Christ ? That’s not of this world ?
“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:21, 23-24 KJV
A Christian can hear the gospel and live anywhere on earth and worship God with no man made temple no levite priests it doesn’t matter what nationality they are what color thier skin is ….
Location was important but now on the sacred temple mound , it be of the worlds oldest and most “holy “ Muslim mosques sits tbat declares god has no son on its roof. It sits there in honor of “Muhammad as a testimony to his body taken up to heaven “
This is the temple mound in Jerusalem
instead they teach of a heavenly Jerusalem where Christ is king that will come to a new earth after this one ends
sort of notice how the Old Testament mainly focuses on israel the people it’s given to and thier land ?
But the New Testament focuses on all nations converting to the gospel and being saved from death and hell ? From the end of this creation ? Inheriting an everlasting kingdom with Christ ? That’s not of this world ?
“Jesus saith unto her, Woman, believe me, the hour cometh, when ye shall neither in this mountain, nor yet at Jerusalem, worship the Father. But the hour cometh, and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in spirit and in truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
God is a Spirit: and they that worship him must worship him in spirit and in truth.”
John 4:21, 23-24 KJV
A Christian can hear the gospel and live anywhere on earth and worship God with no man made temple no levite priests it doesn’t matter what nationality they are what color thier skin is ….
Location was important but now on the sacred temple mound , it be of the worlds oldest and most “holy “ Muslim mosques sits tbat declares god has no son on its roof. It sits there in honor of “Muhammad as a testimony to his body taken up to heaven “
This is the temple mound in Jerusalem
Why would that contradict what I wrote? It's perfectly legit that they teach about the Lord Jesus being king over the new Jerusalem and earth. That's part of what every Christian should know throughout the ages. For most of the past 2,000 years, the Jews were not even brought back to Israel yet, so there would have been no thought about them building the temple or their daily animal sacrifices. Until Israel becomes a nation again, there should be no reason for anyone to even think about those things.
But now Israel is a nation, and Jerusalem has been unified. So of course the Jews are going to think about such things.
And the prophecies are being unsealed so that more and more Christians are starting to understand them....
Daniel 12 says that the prophecies will be sealed until our time:
Daniel12:4 But as for you, Daniel, conceal these words and seal up the book until the time of the end; many will go to and fro, and knowledge will increase.”
The TLB translation makes it even more clear:
Daniel12:4 “But Daniel, keep this prophecy a secret; seal it up so that it will not be understood until the end times, when travel and education shall be vastly increased!”
It means the prophecies will be unsealed at a time when travel and education are more accessible. And we've reached that point.
Doesn't your church ever talk about the end times? Read the books written about the end times? Or read the million posts about the end times on the Internet? Or see the even more millions of videos about the end time on YouTube? It's everywhere. You can't avoid it, lol!
If the Ezekiel 38 war happens, then that would render Islam powerless. So in regard to the Muslim structure over the area where the Jewish temple is suppose to be, I personally think the antichrist wants that Jewish temple to be built (to take over as a god 3-1/2 years later), so he will simply have that mosque destroyed (even if there is no Ezekiel 38 war).
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