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Just some questions of my own i ask you all :
Job 38:
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Ephesians 1:4 KJV ( This verse mentions foundations too.)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:..........
So were was Job ? When God said that in Job 38:4 ?
We all come from God. But what time is God referencing here?
Job 38:7 KJV - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Is Revelation 12: 4 Taking about as in Stars being God's children here??
In Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Is God calling angels stars in Rev 1:20?
Is it logical to think that the stars in Rev 12:4 are the same in job 38:7 God mentions ?
It's a really interesting study and I like the post JLHillsSr
Job 38:
4 Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding.
Ephesians 1:4 KJV ( This verse mentions foundations too.)
4 According as he hath chosen us in him before the foundation of the world, that we should be holy and without blame before him in love:..........
So were was Job ? When God said that in Job 38:4 ?
We all come from God. But what time is God referencing here?
Job 38:7 KJV - When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Is Revelation 12: 4 Taking about as in Stars being God's children here??
In Job 38:7 When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy?
Is God calling angels stars in Rev 1:20?
Is it logical to think that the stars in Rev 12:4 are the same in job 38:7 God mentions ?
It's a really interesting study and I like the post JLHillsSr
but nathan, you're a Shepherd's Chapel student, right?
Arnold Murray teaches all mankind pre-existed as eternal spirits with God < the morning stars.
then one of (us) them, a "brother" Satan, went haywire and deceived 1/3 of (us) into rebelling.
the other 1/3 are the elect, good spiritbeings who were faithful to God and didn't rebel, and the other 1/3 were non-committal lazy spirit-beings who are kind of stuck in the middle.
so God erased our memories, and devised His Plan...then started creation, and every one of the spiritbeings (us) is placed into a flesh body...the elect good guys' job is to try to convince the nominal spiritguys (us) to turn back to God, and if possible to reclaim some of the rebellious (us) spiritpeople?
is that about right?
Arnold Murray teaches all mankind pre-existed as eternal spirits with God < the morning stars.
then one of (us) them, a "brother" Satan, went haywire and deceived 1/3 of (us) into rebelling.
the other 1/3 are the elect, good spiritbeings who were faithful to God and didn't rebel, and the other 1/3 were non-committal lazy spirit-beings who are kind of stuck in the middle.
so God erased our memories, and devised His Plan...then started creation, and every one of the spiritbeings (us) is placed into a flesh body...the elect good guys' job is to try to convince the nominal spiritguys (us) to turn back to God, and if possible to reclaim some of the rebellious (us) spiritpeople?
is that about right?
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Way off , IMO. Not sure , a lot of that sounds new to me : " lazy spirit beings and spirit guys " I have no clue what that means I never heard that? You seem to know more about it then I do.
I know about Murray well because of comments like this, It seems whenever a certain topic is mentioned that is also taught by A.M ; ex: now Job, he is mentioned. He teaches the entire Bible. So naturally he teaches Job. But I myself don't know that much of that Bible.
But non of what I quoted is from A.M........ it's from the Bible. If you have a problem with A.M you should take it up with him. You seem to mention Arnold Murray a lot whenever I post certain things. But I think the scriptures I posted are pretty plain. No spirit guys in there : / ??
I know about Murray well because of comments like this, It seems whenever a certain topic is mentioned that is also taught by A.M ; ex: now Job, he is mentioned. He teaches the entire Bible. So naturally he teaches Job. But I myself don't know that much of that Bible.
But non of what I quoted is from A.M........ it's from the Bible. If you have a problem with A.M you should take it up with him. You seem to mention Arnold Murray a lot whenever I post certain things. But I think the scriptures I posted are pretty plain. No spirit guys in there : / ??
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PatientSpirit I totally disagree.. Satan is his own entity/person/cherub etc. Not Christ. Christ was literally dealing with Satan out there Not Himself. Satan was tempting Him but Jesus's character as the scriptures state is perfect, pure, Just, blameless, etc. Who told you that Satan a aspect of Christ ???? :/ *smacks forehead*. I mean doesn't that thought kinda neglect all the countless scriptures we have about Christ Character ? Just disagree. some one yesterday told me that at the store also .But we can still be brothers thought I'm not in agreement on this here.
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Well one way would be Satan coming here in person claiming to be Christ. Read 2nd thess 2. Mark 13 about the abomination Christ mentions that Daniel mentions that Paul mentions in 2nd thess 2 etc.
People not having the truth causes deception . What ells can it mean when Satan is cast out onto the earth and his angels with him to deceive the world in Rev 12, other then just that ?. Transformed is really just "disguised" as minsters of light. By them claiming to be of Christ ( 2nd Thess 2 )(Rev. 13)
The word ""transformed ""in Greek it was taken from:
metaschmatizw
metaschematizo
met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo
from meta - meta 3326 and a derivative of schma - schema 4976;to transfigure or disguise; figuratively, to apply (by accommodation):--transfer, transform (self).
I wish I could quote more scripture .And I'm not saying i understand it all, But lets just keep studying and reading.
People not having the truth causes deception . What ells can it mean when Satan is cast out onto the earth and his angels with him to deceive the world in Rev 12, other then just that ?. Transformed is really just "disguised" as minsters of light. By them claiming to be of Christ ( 2nd Thess 2 )(Rev. 13)
The word ""transformed ""in Greek it was taken from:
metaschmatizw
metaschematizo
met-askh-ay-mat-id'-zo
from meta - meta 3326 and a derivative of schma - schema 4976;to transfigure or disguise; figuratively, to apply (by accommodation):--transfer, transform (self).
I wish I could quote more scripture .And I'm not saying i understand it all, But lets just keep studying and reading.
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Gen 1:1 KJV - In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.
Gen 1:2 KJV - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Do you think God would create a world without form and void? Something happened here to cause this.
Gen 1:26 KJV - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 KJV - So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 KJV - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
Gen 1:2 KJV - And the earth was without form, and void; and darkness [was] upon the face of the deep. And the Spirit of God moved upon the face of the waters.
Do you think God would create a world without form and void? Something happened here to cause this.
Gen 1:26 KJV - And God said, Let us make man in our image, after our likeness: and let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over the cattle, and over all the earth, and over every creeping thing that creepeth upon the earth.
Gen 1:27 KJV - So God created man in his [own] image, in the image of God created he him; male and female created he them.
Gen 1:28 KJV - And God blessed them, and God said unto them, Be fruitful, and multiply, and replenish the earth, and subdue it: and have dominion over the fish of the sea, and over the fowl of the air, and over every living thing that moveth upon the earth.
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in king james' time the word 'replenish' meant 'fill'...i sometimes say that every king james version should be packaged with a dictionary of english archaisms...and this is an example of why...
and God created the world formless and void so that he could then form it and fill it according to his plan...
and God created the world formless and void so that he could then form it and fill it according to his plan...
Stars are used in the Bible in a figurative sense and in metaphors or similes to represent persons and or beings.
God’s Word, the Bible, tells us that when the earth was founded, “all the sons of God began shouting in applause.” (Job 38:4-7) Angels thus existed long before humans were created, even before the creation of the earth.
Jesus spoke of himself as “the bright morning star” and promised to give “the morning star” to his conquering followers, evidently indicating a sharing with him in his heavenly position and glory.-Revelation 2:26, 28; 20:6; 22:16; compare 2 Timothy 2:12.
Job 38:7 may be referring to Jesus and other high ranking angels.
God’s Word, the Bible, tells us that when the earth was founded, “all the sons of God began shouting in applause.” (Job 38:4-7) Angels thus existed long before humans were created, even before the creation of the earth.
Jesus spoke of himself as “the bright morning star” and promised to give “the morning star” to his conquering followers, evidently indicating a sharing with him in his heavenly position and glory.-Revelation 2:26, 28; 20:6; 22:16; compare 2 Timothy 2:12.
Job 38:7 may be referring to Jesus and other high ranking angels.