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I would say you pretty well nailed it.
2 Tim 2:13 if we believe not, yet He abideth faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
2 Tim 2:13 if we believe not, yet He abideth faithful; He cannot deny Himself.
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It's funny how we do agree on so many things except the single issue of future sin. I completely agree that many give in to condemnation because they do not possess a balanced perspective concerning grace however never have I yet to read a single piece of scripture that speaks of forgiveness void of repentence.
Please do not think I'm trying to argue, in all seriousness I would like to better understand what it is that you all believe and I encourage you to share the scriptures that you feel justify your claims. I promise to give them serious consideration seeing as I do not believe that it is your intent to manipulate scripture by "adding" someting to scripture that God never intended to be there .
Please do not think I'm trying to argue, in all seriousness I would like to better understand what it is that you all believe and I encourage you to share the scriptures that you feel justify your claims. I promise to give them serious consideration seeing as I do not believe that it is your intent to manipulate scripture by "adding" someting to scripture that God never intended to be there .
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The consequence of what you are saying, condemns all people to hell in spite of the cross. Think about what you are saying. Have you sinned since you were saved? Then according to your viewpoint you are going to hell. Any sin after your salvation would be a future sin.
If God is outside of time, which He is, then He already knows every sin we are going to commit. He is not surprised or disappointed with us every time we sin. He already knows where we are going to be each day and took it into account on the cross.
If God is outside of time, which He is, then He already knows every sin we are going to commit. He is not surprised or disappointed with us every time we sin. He already knows where we are going to be each day and took it into account on the cross.
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It is true that there are still consequences to our actions here on Earth that still happen. We still have to take responsibility for our decisions, but in heaven any sin we truly repent for is not taken into account. What is taken into account as Christians is how well we managed and stewarded what God gave us while we were here.
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gotta go to work so this is real brief... i appologize if it seems a bit cold but .... the prob is machew that i have yet to read one single piece of scripture regarding god forgiving premeditated future sin, sin you knew that you should not commit yet you did it any way despite knowing it is going to grieve the holy spirit , do this enough times and it is evidence that your heart is clearly not in the right place or in good standing with god. i do not believe that we can abuse god's grace like that. you all are basing your doctrine on assumptions. I want solid scriptural proof. until theni fear that this doctrine is in violation of adding to the scriptures.
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There are many that believe in a limited atonement. They believe that Christ only paid for the sins of those who would believe, but you are also limiting the atonement by believing that the blood of Christ only paid for the sins that are past, or those we were guilty of prior to being saved. You believe that any sin after salvation must be repented of. If we were only cleansed and forgiven of all sin prior to salvation then what has God provided to atone for the sins we commit after salvation? How can we repent of any sin that you imply was not paid for by the blood of Christ?
The blood of Christ has atoned for all sin. The blood of Christ is applied to our sin in the same way whether in the past, the present or the future. When we read that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, it refers to all sin coming short and not just some sin. When we believed and were reconciled to God, He did not impute (put on our account) a single sin or trespass, but instead He imputed His righteousness and accepted us on the basis of what His Son did to all of our sin on the cross. If all our sin was not dealt with on the cross we would only be accepted by God at salvation and would be rejected every time we sin or failed.
What would be the point of having grace, the Holy Spirit and the righteousness of God if all of that could be relinquished through a future sin that we might commit, whether it be a sin of commission, omission or anything that is not of faith. If one thought is going to be able to disqualify us from these things that God has given us by grace then we can have no confidence in the power of God or any insurance of faith. If repentance is the only answer to future sin and not the blood of Christ, you make repentance greater that what Christ did on he cross. We preach Christ and Him crucified not repentance. We are crucified with Christ and live by the faith of the Son of God and not repentance.
The blood of Christ has atoned for all sin. The blood of Christ is applied to our sin in the same way whether in the past, the present or the future. When we read that all have sinned and come short of the glory of God, it refers to all sin coming short and not just some sin. When we believed and were reconciled to God, He did not impute (put on our account) a single sin or trespass, but instead He imputed His righteousness and accepted us on the basis of what His Son did to all of our sin on the cross. If all our sin was not dealt with on the cross we would only be accepted by God at salvation and would be rejected every time we sin or failed.
What would be the point of having grace, the Holy Spirit and the righteousness of God if all of that could be relinquished through a future sin that we might commit, whether it be a sin of commission, omission or anything that is not of faith. If one thought is going to be able to disqualify us from these things that God has given us by grace then we can have no confidence in the power of God or any insurance of faith. If repentance is the only answer to future sin and not the blood of Christ, you make repentance greater that what Christ did on he cross. We preach Christ and Him crucified not repentance. We are crucified with Christ and live by the faith of the Son of God and not repentance.
Shad there's a very important reason why Christ taught us to pray often, in the Lord's prayer, "forgive us our sins...."
To preach Christ and Him crucified is also to preach repentance,
Luke 24:46-47
He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
you come up with some really strange ideas sometimes (such as preaching Christ and not repentance).
To preach Christ and Him crucified is also to preach repentance,
Luke 24:46-47
He told them, "This is what is written: The Christ will suffer and rise from the dead on the third day,and repentance and forgiveness of sins will be preached in his name to all nations, beginning at Jerusalem.
you come up with some really strange ideas sometimes (such as preaching Christ and not repentance).
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