Lust or love or fruits of love or something else

[JIMBO43]

This is a stupid response. You are calling scripture rubbish.

By having multiple sexual partners you are becoming a prostitute.

It seems you do not understand the concept of prostitution.

Oh please you know fine well you where comparing love befor marriage to that of prostitution dont play the mr innocent,,

when are you going to get my message and quit this perfectic behavior. or will you just keep on with this prideful way.

RRRRRRRR ive hert you beautiful feelings mumsie wumsie and your 57 i mean oh my jacobs. what age did you leave home ?

 

[PeterJens]

Oh please you know fine well you where comparing love befor marriage to that of prostitution dont play the mr innocent,,

when are you going to get my message and quit this perfectic behavior. or will you just keep on with this prideful way.

RRRRRRRR ive hert you beautiful feelings mumsie wumsie and your 57 i mean oh my jacobs. what age did you leave home ?

You have some odd behaviour patterns.

Scripture lays out these simple ideas

1. Have sex and you become one flesh with your partner, ie man and wife.
2. Break this bond and you are committing adultery
3. Ignore the bond by having multiple partners you are behaving as a prostitute.

Now this is plain from the scriptures I have put forward.
It appears you cannot face this implication, which suggests to me you would be
happy to sleep with multiple women, or may have already done so, and you believe
God does not condemn this behaviour.

The principles of sexual fidelity are there, but who is your Lord? It appears to be
your carnal desires.

 

[JIMBO43]

you have your way of thinking is all i can say. Goodbye........

 

[PeterJens]

you have your way of thinking is all i can say. Goodbye........

I have the feeling you believe you are free to behave sexually in any way you see fit.

For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.
1 John 2:16

All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
Eph 2:3

Your responses make me think you hold up sexual prowess as something to glory
in, rather than it is your shame, both destroying yourself and those you bond with.

But this is the way of the enemy and not of Christ.

I left home at 18, and have lived a full and vibrant life. But it is those who give in
to their carnal desires who become mastered by them, but want to claim their great
ability to seduce and attract partners into their beds.

One man, who was addicted to his wife, who seduced his brother, neighbours and he
still could not resist, finally was getting round to divorce this woman.
She was like Babylon as described in revelations.

A second angel followed and said, “‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’ which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”
Rev 14:8

One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”

The name written on her forehead was a mystery:
babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth.

6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
Rev 17:1-6

Jim - you claimed to want to know Gods counsel, you obviously were not being
honest, but rather behaving as the troll you are.

 

[JIMBO43]

I have the feeling you believe you are free to behave sexually in any way you see fit.

For everything in the world—the lust of the flesh, the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life—comes not from the Father but from the world.
1 John 2:16

All of us also lived among them at one time, gratifying the cravings of our flesh and following its desires and thoughts. Like the rest, we were by nature deserving of wrath.
Eph 2:3

Your responses make me think you hold up sexual prowess as something to glory
in, rather than it is your shame, both destroying yourself and those you bond with.

But this is the way of the enemy and not of Christ.

I left home at 18, and have lived a full and vibrant life. But it is those who give in
to their carnal desires who become mastered by them, but want to claim their great
ability to seduce and attract partners into their beds.

One man, who was addicted to his wife, who seduced his brother, neighbours and he
still could not resist, finally was getting round to divorce this woman.
She was like Babylon as described in revelations.

A second angel followed and said, “‘Fallen! Fallen is Babylon the Great,’ which made all the nations drink the maddening wine of her adulteries.”
Rev 14:8

One of the seven angels who had the seven bowls came and said to me, “Come, I will show you the punishment of the great prostitute, who sits by many waters. 2 With her the kings of the earth committed adultery, and the inhabitants of the earth were intoxicated with the wine of her adulteries.”

The name written on her forehead was a mystery:
babylon the great
the mother of prostitutes
and of the abominations of the earth.

6 I saw that the woman was drunk with the blood of God’s holy people, the blood of those who bore testimony to Jesus.
Rev 17:1-6

Jim - you claimed to want to know Gods counsel, you obviously were not being
honest, but rather behaving as the troll you are.

Youve herd the saying ive made a friend for life in your case im going to say the oppersite,,, which is i have made an enenmy for life,, and you forgot the rest of your normal condescending behaviour which is ill pray for you.

i GUESS IT WONT BE LONG BEFOR YOU QUOTE I AM THE WAY AND THE TRUTH. which you must of quoted several times allready i can think of at least ten times you have posted that allmost every day you post i am the way the light the truth.

The only thing wrong with this post is quite clearly you think your right and the way and the truth as why else would you have an attitude that puts you above everyone else who doesnt agree with your mentality.

If you thought Jesus was the way the truth you wouldnt have this mentality. so obviously when you constantly state that i am the way and the truth you are not talking about Jesus you are talking about your self.

Like i said your highly ignorant and self centred. your constant attacks and false accusations are relentless,, god i would not like to meet you in a dark alley.

The words that come to mind with you is no mercy and no surrender fighting for the the enemy and defiling his holy name.

I know some fight can be justified but attacking below the belt in a verry sensitive area is what you call cowardly behavior.

One i can not proclaim The works of God to but only the works of the enemy.

Its not what goes into a person that makes him unclean its what comes out of the mouth. (in your case utter filth and utter hatred.

 

[PeterJens]

Jim, you were asking for scripture that declared what fornication is and how it is condemned
or approved of.

I have shown you what scripture says. Your first partner is your wife.
From then on it is sin.

Now ofcourse you could try and spin the verses another way, but I do not see it.

The whole of the new testament is getting away from the lusts of the flesh, and
sexuality, which it appears is not your goal. If it was your goal, you would say
amen, I will marry my partner and settle down for the rest of my life with the
woman I love.

Everything else is just a smoke screen.
I am just sharing what is in scripture, but I think this disappoints you.

If you are in sin are you going to repent?

By the way, no clue what the below is all about, irrelevant to me.

Youve herd the saying ive made a friend for life in your case im going to say the oppersite,,, which is i have made an enenmy for life,, and you forgot the rest of your normal condescending behaviour which is ill pray for you.

i GUESS IT WONT BE LONG BEFOR YOU QUOTE I AM THE WAY AND THE TRUTH. which you must of quoted several times allready i can think of at least ten times you have posted that allmost every day you post i am the way the light the truth.

The only thing wrong with this post is quite clearly you think your right and the way and the truth as why else would you have an attitude that puts you above everyone else who doesnt agree with your mentality.

If you thought Jesus was the way the truth you wouldnt have this mentality. so obviously when you constantly state that i am the way and the truth you are not talking about Jesus you are talking about your self.

Like i said your highly ignorant and self centred. your constant attacks and false accusations are relentless,, god i would not like to meet you in a dark alley.

The words that come to mind with you is no mercy and no surrender fighting for the the enemy and defiling his holy name.

I know some fight can be justified but attacking below the belt in a verry sensitive area is what you call cowardly behavior.

One i can not proclaim The works of God to but only the works of the enemy.

Its not what goes into a person that makes him unclean its what comes out of the mouth. (in your case utter filth and utter hatred.

 

[PeterJens]

A small point, we are called to show sacrificial love to all we meet.

This makes an interesting problem. Our enemies are people we are called to understand.
And all are understandable in Gods eyes.

So this is our calling, so I say amen.

 

[JIMBO43]

Jim, you were asking for scripture that declared what fornication is and how it is condemned
or approved of.

I have shown you what scripture says.

all you have shown is prostitution. nothing what so ever to do with what this thread is about.

Fornication means sexualy immoral please tell me what is immoral about something the lord blesses with marriage.

And no im not putting up a smoke screen its an honest question that deserves an honest answer.


Or better still since you are all knowing answer this question too


The King James Version of the Bible translates verse 9 and 10 as:
[TABLE="class: cms_table"]
[TR]
[TD="width: 42"]

[/TD]
[TD="width: 100%"]"Know ye not that the unrighteous shall not inherit the kingdom of God? Be not deceived: neither fornicators, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor effeminate, nor abusers of themselves with mankind, Nor thieves, nor covetous, nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners, shall inherit the kingdom of God."
[/TD]
[/TR]
[/TABLE]



New internation version
Do not be deceived: Neither the sexually immoral, nor idolaters, nor adulterers, nor men who submit to or perform homosexual acts, 10nor thieves, nor the greedy, nor drunkards, nor verbal abusers, nor swindlers, will inherit the kingdom of God.

1
The Greek word for “fornication” is “porneia”, which means harlotry (including adultery and incest);

porneía (the root of the English terms "pornography, pornographic"; cf. 4205 /pórnos) which is derived from pernaō, "to sell off") – properly, a selling off (surrendering) of sexual purity; promiscuity of any (every) type. (incest)



English oford dictionary. Fornicate

noun 1. voluntary sexual intercourse between two unmarried persons or two persons not married to each other.

Notice here there is only one meaning where are the rest where is the source.

The english oxford dictionary uses the king james translation as its source and not the acient jewish scripture.

The KJV translates Strong's G4202 in the following manner: fornication (26x).
Outline of Biblical Usage [?]

1. illicit sexual intercourse
   1. adultery, fornication, homosexuality, lesbianism, intercourse with animals etc.
   2. sexual intercourse with close relatives; Lev. 18
   3. sexual intercourse with a divorced man or woman; Mk. 10:11,12
   
   
2. metaph. the worship of idols
   1. of the defilement of idolatry, as incurred by eating the sacrifices offered to idols
      
      
      
      
      Now please tell me what is the correct meaning or translation niv or king james. please just answer this question with your heart and tell me which translation is correct.
      
      Now if you cant honestly answer or feel convicted that your answer may lead to untruth then please say as much but dont lean on your own understanding unless you have total 100 percent that you are right. to which i have allready pointed out i could be wrong.
      
      Now on a better note if you cant answer it then like me in the eyes of the law you can do no wrong but in the eyes of the lord You may or may not have an advocate with the father i just wish he could come down and settle it.

Simple question does fornicator mean sexually immoral. yes or no.


Simple question man and women in love befor a leagally binding marriage is sexually immoral yes or no

Simple question if your answer is yes why would God bless such a thing ?

 

[PeterJens]

Simple question does fornicator mean sexually immoral. yes or no.

Simple question man and women in love befor a leagally binding marriage is sexually immoral yes or no

Simple question if your answer is yes why would God bless such a thing ?

Spiritually the verses I have quoted make your sexual encounter a binding one in marriage.
A fornicator is someone who has sex with lots of women who are not married.
The emphasis is not on whether they where married in the past, it is sexual abuse
of individuals for the sake of pleasure above responsibility or love.

The only grey area is a couple who intend to get married, but indulge in sex.
Paul says simply they should marry.

 

[JIMBO43]

Spiritually the verses I have quoted make your sexual encounter a binding one in marriage.
A fornicator is someone who has sex with lots of women who are not married.
The emphasis is not on whether they where married in the past, it is sexual abuse
of individuals for the sake of pleasure above responsibility or love.

The only grey area is a couple who intend to get married, but indulge in sex.
Paul says simply they should marry.

This is not a answer to my question it is a deflective opinion.

 

[PeterJens]

This is not a answer to my question it is a deflective opinion.

The great thing about scripture is we put our interpretation, and then take it to the Lord.
It is up to you to express based on the scriptures presented what is your conclusion?

Keep in mind Paul believed being single and dedicated to the Lord was the best option,
if you had to marry for sexual reasons, then have one wife and stay faithful to them.

Now this is clearly their opinion.
Now there are many who believe because we are under grace, no moral restriction
applies, its up to your needs. I knew one guy who would go from a praise meeting
to the brothel without a problem, one high to another.

So this issue is as old as people have been around.

 

[JIMBO43]

The great thing about scripture is we put our interpretation, and then take it to the Lord.
It is up to you to express based on the scriptures presented what is your conclusion?

Keep in mind Paul believed being single and dedicated to the Lord was the best option,
if you had to marry for sexual reasons, then have one wife and stay faithful to them.

Now this is clearly their opinion.
Now there are many who believe because we are under grace, no moral restriction
applies, its up to your needs. I knew one guy who would go from a praise meeting
to the brothel without a problem, one high to another.

So this issue is as old as people have been around.

i think all this talk about brothels and prostitution has nothing what so ever to do with this thread. start another thread if you want but try to stay on topic. or keep quiet thanks and goodbye...........

 

[PeterJens]

i think all this talk about brothels and prostitution has nothing what so ever to do with this thread. start another thread if you want but try to stay on topic. or keep quiet thanks and goodbye...........

I get the feeling you cannot accept sexuality is about a lot more than
just living in sin, is it ok?

Sexuality in scripture is for a marital relationship. Now you could ask why is monogamy
so important? And this is because of Pauls restriction on deacons and elders to be men
with only one wife.

It strikes me you have no answer to these points, because you want something else.
But scripture cannot be got round like this.

And if you are not aware prostitution is Gods way of talking about devotion to other
things than Himself. So lusting after wealth or fame or success is a form of idolatry
and worship of other things than the Lord.

 

[JIMBO43]

I get the feeling you cannot accept sexuality is about a lot more than
just living in sin, is it ok?

Sexuality in scripture is for a marital relationship. Now you could ask why is monogamy
so important? And this is because of Pauls restriction on deacons and elders to be men
with only one wife.

It strikes me you have no answer to these points, because you want something else.
But scripture cannot be got round like this.

And if you are not aware prostitution is Gods way of talking about devotion to other
things than Himself. So lusting after wealth or fame or success is a form of idolatry
and worship of other things than the Lord.

I am totaly aware that paul described fornication as worshiping others more than the lord.

What i dont understand is your continuis comments that no 1 deflect no 2 tell lies 3 condem.

my post is as open and as sincere as the day is long. it does not warrant being condemmed into the lake of fire which you have done allready.

So please quit trolling me your 57 and old enough to know trolling is now a criminal offence.

 

[PeterJens]

Ok Jim. Most people cannot take you seriously.

As you know the answers why are you asking the questions?
It appeared to be you wanted an answer to your position, but it
appears that is not your interest.

So what is?

 

[PeterJens]

So please quit trolling me

I have no interest in you, I am though interested in the subject of why people would
assume Christ is not interested in fornication and living in sin?

Now these threads are here is to answer these questions, by inviting contributions.
Now I have given my answers to these issues as biblically as I can.

Can you say where you have any doubt God wants sexuality to be expressed in
a marriage relationship and not anywhere else? Because I would be interested to
know where and how this could be argued.

 

[JIMBO43]

I have no interest in you, I am though interested in the subject of why people would
assume Christ is not interested in fornication and living in sin?

Now these threads are here is to answer these questions, by inviting contributions.
Now I have given my answers to these issues as biblically as I can.

Can you say where you have any doubt God wants sexuality to be expressed in
a marriage relationship and not anywhere else? Because I would be interested to
know where and how this could be argued.

easy if you think outside of the box you might contemplate that actualy a marriage certicate is no diffrent to common law husband and wife. which is what i have declared my self to the inland revenue. So there for i have morals to i fully respect my partners feelings.
I dont fornicate. I dont give in to lust.
I honer her love her and respect her. until death do we part.
This is hardly sexual immorality.

 

[PeterJens]

easy if you think outside of the box you might contemplate that actualy a marriage certicate is no diffrent to common law husband and wife. which is what i have declared my self to the inland revenue. So there for i have morals to i fully respect my partners feelings.
I dont fornicate. I dont give in to lust.
I honer her love her and respect her. until death do we part.
This is hardly sexual immorality.

Then you are fine.

I forgot you are in the uk.
Until you get married with a proper certificate if either of you die, the other
party has no rights to their possessions. There is no such thing as a common law
marriage. And to get married does not cost much if you really want just a bit of
paper.

And you have answered my point. You are behaving as if you are married, which
is fine before the Lord, but I was suggesting if that was not your attitude there would
be an issue.

God bless, Peter

 

[JIMBO43]

Then you are fine.

I forgot you are in the uk.
Until you get married with a proper certificate if either of you die, the other
party has no rights to their possessions. There is no such thing as a common law
marriage. And to get married does not cost much if you really want just a bit of
paper.

And you have answered my point. You are behaving as if you are married, which
is fine before the Lord, but I was suggesting if that was not your attitude there would
be an issue.

God bless, Peter

actualy according to our law of the land for taxation purposes if a man and women are deemed to be living with each other as man and wife they are to delare it to the inland revenue for taxation purpose there joint income is taxable.

What this means if your both only being taxed 20 percent or one only 10 percent or even 5 percent theres a good chance youve dodged the taxman.

so it is law of the land you can declare your self comon law married

 

[JIMBO43]

So this has been a huge hinderance to my walk. i have been called a fornicator on this site for a long time i have been lead to believe that i am living in sin and i will burn in hell.

How cruel is that especially when quite clearly i have proved without a shadow of a doubt that fornication does not mean sex befor marriage. It means sexually immoral pedofillia incest prostututin homo sexuality. porn

When i state Sex befor marriage it does not mean anything else other than love making bewteen a man and women who are in a partner ship obeying the laws of marriage to love honer and obey. if its something else i would declare it.

I have shown without a shadow of a doubt that the lord blesses such relationships with marriage.

No where in the bible does he bless those who fornicate with acts of explicit acts (sexual acts of immorality) but he does bless two people in love who lie with each other befor marriage.

Now the moral here for most is its a sacred act that should be for the wedding night so there for its immoral and fornication.
Thats all verry nice and well but not sexually immoral or fornication, as fornication fits into discusting filthy acts of sex which has nothing what so ever to do with two people in love (man and women obeying the laws of marriage).

Now when you read that God doesnt condem you for liing with a virgin,, if you love her. he says nothing of the sort of it being immoral all he says is you should wed.

Now we have common law man and wife laws which means in the eyes of the law you are one flesh one couple and married.
Because you live togeather.

Now if the law of the land reconises that we are married then why cant christians ?

Why because of a stupid oxford dictionary that states fornication has just one meaning of sex befor marriage. (wrong it has many meanings as is derived from the greak translation of pornia which means incest explicit acts.

This is totaly discusting conduct you may as well be putting man and women in love in the same league as pedoes and you may as well bless gay marriage while your at it. because if god blesses so called fornicators who have sex befor marriage then you may as well bless homosexuality with marriage which is fornication and you may as bless fathers to marry there children who they abuse.

Absolutely discusting behavior from christians who condem everything and everyone to a hell state of mind with statement of untruths.

In some case maybe there blissfully unaware and following a doctrine blinded by lies and untruth to which i am aware is not there fault.

But i really do think that is something that has to change.