New Message from the Pastor regarding our 401K
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I only wonder how that happened.
I cannot in good conscience recommend that you oppose him or try to have him removed as if he is Gods man and just out of order well you don't want to be against him.
If there is no other solution and he does not get himself back on track with the Lords purposes then you need to search for the right church that the Lord will lead you to in His time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
I cannot in good conscience recommend that you oppose him or try to have him removed as if he is Gods man and just out of order well you don't want to be against him.
If there is no other solution and he does not get himself back on track with the Lords purposes then you need to search for the right church that the Lord will lead you to in His time.
For the cause of Christ
Roger
You have me wondering if this guy started the church by himself, or if it is affiliated with some denomination.
If it is affiliated with some denomination, it would seem wise to me to contact your pastor's superiors and tell them what is happening. If the pastor started the church himself, with no connection to any other church, then you might find yourself a better church. Actually, you are always free to look for a church more to your liking.
You could also sit down and try to talk some sense into him. If he repents, fine. If not, do what you have to do, but don't give him a penny, and tell your friends not to give him a penny.
If it is affiliated with some denomination, it would seem wise to me to contact your pastor's superiors and tell them what is happening. If the pastor started the church himself, with no connection to any other church, then you might find yourself a better church. Actually, you are always free to look for a church more to your liking.
You could also sit down and try to talk some sense into him. If he repents, fine. If not, do what you have to do, but don't give him a penny, and tell your friends not to give him a penny.
Where is 'the preacher' appointed by the elders in the Bible? In the Bible 'every one of you' could have a psalm, doctrine, tongue revelation, or interpretation (I Corinthians 14:26). The elders were commanded to pastor (translated 'feed' or 'tend' in Acts 20:28 and I Peter 5) and were to be 'apt to teach.'
The Reformed movement confused us, creating a new category of 'elder' out of role of city government officials of Geneva. They called them 'elders' and called those they considered to be Biblical elders 'pastors.' The Presbyterians in Scotland expanded the Geneva city government model into the model for their church throughout the nation.
I wanted to show a good paper on this from a theological journal. This is an article from the same author that contains a little information along these lines: <http://eldership.org/resources/elders_sjt.html>
The Reformed movement confused us, creating a new category of 'elder' out of role of city government officials of Geneva. They called them 'elders' and called those they considered to be Biblical elders 'pastors.' The Presbyterians in Scotland expanded the Geneva city government model into the model for their church throughout the nation.
I wanted to show a good paper on this from a theological journal. This is an article from the same author that contains a little information along these lines: <http://eldership.org/resources/elders_sjt.html>
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You already decided to leave. The only thing that stopped you was busy week. So why bring this here? You don't need advice. You don't need more input. You're mind was made up. Which makes it feel like it's just here so everyone can ridicule the guy -- look down on him or chuckle -- and pat you on the back for leaving.
Gossiping.
Gossiping.
I think he deserves to be ridiculed and looked down upon for trying to get the good people of his congregation to fall for this ridiculous scheme of his. That's people's hard-earned money and he is taking advantage of their faith and giving them harmful advice by telling them to take money out of their 401k!
Depending on the authority structure of the church this may not be possible. In some churches the pastor is the final authority rather than the elders or congregation. In independent churches (not part of a larger governing body {IE denomination}) there is not even an outside authority to plead to.
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Try to avoid those million dollar churches and find one you can afford. The Pastor has over-extended himself and is asking a ridiculous sacrifice of others to bail him out. Even if he's a good preacher, he's still a financial fool. Its pretty arrogant of him to request his congregation bankrupt themselves for his sake. Destroy your retirement (401k) so he can save money? There's nothing Christian about that, he needs to downsize. And I can assure you, when the Lord doesn't reward you tenfold, the Pastor will blame it on your lack of faith.... Run Forest, Run