I can just imagine some of the Pharisees when Jesus lived on earth saying that their leaders slammed the door shut on what Jesus said
hi LBG!
totally! i see now that i have been a modern day Pharisee that believed jesus was god.
(wow....i just can't get my head around the fact i've been so deceived!)
I know Zone has many disciples on cc.
right.
well not to worry because i have it from the lord that i am to henceforth disband the CULT OF ZONE and expound the doctrines of my NEW RELIGION.
i hope you'll come over to my new thread and flesh out the detaiils of the most important doctrine of all (i know i've had i wrong because i strove to understand with a human intellect which according to our brother Westand i was braindead so that totally makes sense) : THATJESUS IS NOT GOD.
i'm going to have to work on keeping it simple so i can only believe that part (i do want to go to heaven), so i could use your help. at my NEW RELIGION thread you'll see the section which denies jesus is God so if you could repost the relevent passages about that i would appreciate it.
we have to really work together now to shake the founations of those "scholars"
(fools that they are) so they can understand that only the plain words of scripture are acceptable. naturally though even a simple reading of the plain words of scripture do indicate a Triune God so i'll need your help on how to get around that.
i do admire the really cool part of my new religion that places scripture below experience, because that's how i can shut the mouths of the theologians and pharisees who want to claim Jesus is God.
hope you'll help...i'll look for you over there (btw: i plan to make it clear that scholars, pharisees, theologians - you know..."those types".... and anyone who studies a lot and goes to church isn't welcome to post ANY criticisms because I CALL MYSELF A CHRISTIAN AND THAT'S GOOD ENOUGH.
not only that....GET THIS LBG!
god told me i'm not only a prophet, but an APOSTLE! so there's not much the Pharisees can say...after all, god told me to remind them of this:
TOUCH NOT MINE ANOINTED, TOUCH NOT MINE ELECT.
that means not only can i make any declarations i have from the lord, i can just put the critics on ignore. they better not question me or try to challange my doctrine BECAUSE I AM A CHRISTIAN and i have entered gods presence and HE TOLD ME I'M UNTOUCHABLE.
(i haven't tested my ability to drink arsenic yet but i'm sure i'll be able to).
After all she is a forthright person and strong willed on cc. She has read much oif scholars, theologians and to use her own words 'by her own strivings and effort has learnt what she has. Of course this will appeal to many, but unfortunately a Christianity built on the words of others to fit into what you wish to believe is hardly reliable as a foundation of truth
i know.
its embarrassing today that i was like that.
BUT THAT'S ALL CHANGED NOW! the cult of zone is about to be scattered, for i have it from the lord i am to lay out the TRUE DOCTRINES fo the christian faith.
we can fellowship because i have a new religion (i'm a CHRISTIAN). see my new thread.
you're totally right about the striving to study in the flesh and reading theological treatises and stuff: THAT'S RIDICULOUS AND PRIDEFUL. i can't believe i have been so stupid (by thinking i was so smart....or...whatever)
She continually says she believes in the inerrancy of the Bible
But does she?
Well Jesus made it abundantly clear what a person must believe concerning him to have eternal life, he was totally consistent concerning this, but Zone does not accept it.
tsk.
its really hard to be corrected this way, but you are right.
my old belief in the inerrancy of scripture was a lie, because i thought i saw a Triune GodHead...but thats in the past.
come over and help me lay the NEW foundation (which is really the original foundation but those idiot pharisees and scholars had it wrong all tis time).
hey LBG! did you know Satan has Sex with Eve? our brother WeStand and Arnold Murray said so. plus the Zohar says it, and that's judaism, and thats the OT so it is probably right.
i guess the jews REALLY ARE THE CHILDREN OF THEIR FATHER THE DEVIL! makes total sense with a simple reading of scripture (in my previous delusion i "spiritualized" that...can you believe it? how embarrassing.)
So she will not accept the Biblically inerrant words of Christ when he walked this earth as to how a person must see him to have eternal life. And if poeople do not accept her extra biblical beliefs concerning the required belief in Christ for salvation she accuses them of idolatory, being a heretic and therefore in her heart she believes they are condemned.
But people will still believe as you do she stands on the side of the inerrant Bible when in reality she does no such thing.
sigh.
again....how could i have been so blind?
but i'm going to set it right on my new thread.
it incorporates all the teachings (real christianity) of the people i have been at odds with here.
i hope you won't be too offended by some parts of what i have from the lord i am to write though because some of what we have ALL believed is not of him....i have to make sure the work of those who are striving to understand the prophecies regardless of any literal fulfillmnet are included in THE NEW RELIGION...i hope you can help me reconcile that to the simplest reading the plain reading of scripture.
there will be some things in the NEW FOUNDATION of Christanity that you might disagree with, but GOD TOLD ME WHAT TO WRITE AND YOU BETTER NOT DISAGREE.
God TOLD ME.
but there's going to be a really good section on Kathryn Khulman and her disciples (like Benny Hinn) because i used to think they were heretics, like you said....but I HAVE A NEW RELIGION and they ARE IN.
they are manifesting the gifts of the spirit and i have it from god that they are legitimate and all those pharisees and scholars and theologians out there reading this had better repent of your sin and unbleief and believe what i say BECAUSE I AM A PROPHET AND AN APOSTLE.
that means my words are authori.......
hold it.....god is here....just a sec....
ok.
god told me i needed to make sure to include all the esocteric interpretations of the prophecies as well, since i have been wrong about that also: divination and seeking and seeking knowledge of him through private interpretationsof prophecies IS what he wants.
see how deceived i've been?
man i have so much catching up to do. but i have to keep remebering that i must have the mind of a child: any reason or research is not permitted.
DON'T CRITICIZE ME BECAUSE I AM A PROPHET AD AN APSOTLE AND I HAVE POWERS AND I AM A BROTHER TO JESUS BECAUSE I EXISTED BEFORE THE FOUNDATION OF THW WORLD and was with god when he said to ME let us make man in our image.
But she does have a belief in the inerrancy of the scholars and theologians she chooses to follow, but that is not the same thing as believing in an innerant bible
But as she believes that the gifts of the spirit were done away with after the completion of the NT as this means perfection had come she has i am afraid left herself in reality with only the human mind and its reasoning, as have all others who think as she does. Incidentally it must be stressed that the perfection of the Bible is only perfect according to the interpretation of the theologians and scholars she follows, this needs to be stressed, in actuality it is not the Bible itself that is inerrant.
don't worry LBG
i bagged all the "traditional" theo-lo-gians (idiots) i used to study with.
i'm now using the new guys, the spirit-filled ones who perform signs and wonders and don't believe jesus is god.
ITS GONNA BE GOOD TO GET THIS RELIGION OUT THERE. i hope you'll contribute on the new thread - you've got the denial of the deity of christ down pat so i could use your help there.
And so by in effect whether she admits it or not Zone relies on her own striving, effort and understanding to understand the things of God. But it is the Holy Spirit that leads into truth.
oh brother! I KNOW
i thought the new birth was when Father dragged us to Christ and gave us faith to believe on Him unto salvation...but our brother devo has rightly pointed out that we aren't born again until the resurrection (like jesus?) and that we strive through knowledge to get there.
how embarrassing that i believed all that.
that means i'm not born again by Grace through faith after all, and neither are you....you've called people who teach this "brother" so i assume that means those people are my brothers also, since you are right that jesus is not god and that study is pointless and of the flesh and pharisaical.
DON'T WORRY: all the people i thought i agreed with will be JUDGED BY THEIR WON words on the......hold it......here's god talking:
one sec.
ok.
God told me i have to start casting demons out of people who believe "orthodoxy" (i can hardly tolerate that word now - how arrogant!)
so, in accordance with the NEW RELIGION, there will be a section on that as well.
I think it very sad also that Zone is many times sarcastic, rude, offensive, mocking, derisory and continually makes untruthful statements as to what people believe or have stated on cc. But it seems that her followers are not concerned about any of this, because she has the 'head theology' that they are so desperate to cling to. So it shows what matters most to many on cc doesn't it. The letter matters more than the heart.
well, i have it from the Lord that those things are to be established on the NEW RELIGION thread.
if the old zone (the braindead pharisee) misrepresented any views of those she now agrees with, it'll be sorted out on the new thread. i remember all of what has been professed (amazing how that works for a braindead unregenerate pharisee)....wonders! and they will be expounded at length so we can all see how deceived i have been.
i hope you'll contribute LBG since your belief system is part of my new religion.
but of course i am A PROPHET so don't question me. MY WORD IS NOW AUTHORITATIVE.
As to the core belief being discussed here
I read that over 500 times in the NT Paul refers to the Father as God and Jesus as Lord, but you all eagerly try and find one or two verses that you believe say something different. Then you accuse others of taking scripture out of context(I was going to put a cheesy grin up but resisted the temptation!)
John made clear a belief Christ is the son of God means a person will inherit eternal life, but that is put to one side on the altar of the egotistical mind of man. You have to believe the added beliefs they demand
Jesus said
The Father is greater than I
The Father is greater than all
That they may know you the only true God and Jesus Christ whom you have sent.
I repeatedly asked one ozf Zones colleagues if they would endorse piublically John 17:3, they ignored my repeated pleas to do so, and remained silent. So I guess that person either did not understand the verse or does not believe in an inerrant Bible.
Christ never commanded anyone to believe he was God Himself
He never said once eternal life hinged on believing he was God Himself
No NT writer once wrote that eternal life hinged on believing Christ was God(the one true God)
And no NT writer stated Christ is God Himself
OH YA!
this is good!
this is what we need on the new thread LBG.
could you come over and repost this?
oh never mind: i'll bring it over and put it in the S.O.F which declares jesus is not god.
is it ok to copy it from here since it would have your name on it?
sure! YOU KNOW WHAT THE TRUTH IS AND WE NEED TO FIX THIS ORTHODOXY PROBLEM.
thank you!
But man blindly follows man rather than their proclamation of an inerrant bible, and anyone that will not blindly follow man is persecuted.
i know....i'll be persecuted for my beliefs now i'm sure.
and since i am a prophet with messages to declare to that LOATHSOME and FILTHY church jesus hates i imagine i'll be persecuted for that also.
but doesn't a plain reading of scripture say this is.......hold it.......god is talking to me...one sec.
ok:
never mind....it was about what to cook for supper tonight and what color nail polish to wear.
its so cool to be so close and important to god that he talks to me personally all day long in person in an audible voice: WHO NEEDS THE BIBLE????
i can't believe i thought i was saved all this time! WHAT AN IDIOT PHARISEE!
Just think if Zone and you in your heartfelt belief is correct. For over 300 years after Christ died on the cross people must have ended up in hell because the official church failed to make official something on which eternal life hinged. And surely whatever eternal life hinges on now it hinged on then. So they failed to make official the bedrock of the Christian faith. Really?
This of course is utterly ridiculous but rather than truly in your hearts consider it you just blindly follow on after your scholars and theologians and ministers of churches who blindly do the same.
So anyone who wants a 'head theology' will naturally look to someone like Zone, but it is not 'head theology' that is all important here, as I am sure the silent majority on this site know
AGREE!
all that head theology is OUT THE WNDOW.
i have a direct line to god now, and jesus isn't god, so i can bypass him completely.
see you at the NEW RELIGION thread LBG!
thanks for not giving up on the GOOD DOCTRINE i now hold to.
the prophet
zone
DO NOT CRITICIZE ME OR SAY ANYTHING AGAINST MY BELIEFS: I AM A CHRISTIAN AND I AM ENTITLED TO SAY AND BELIEVE ANYTHING I WANT.