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BillG

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dear numb nut, there is no point continuing, if your logic has been proven a false.

21 I do not nullify the grace of God, for if righteousness were through the law, then Christ died for no purpose .Galatians 2:

and i echo, who first told you.
I take it your not here to make friends and engage.
 

BillG

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a computer program is no good, if it needs time to react. to learn how to switch off death. the only problem, you have is getting off the planet, to live in eternity of your own planing and on your own planet, that you made to escape.

22 Then the LORD God said, "Behold, the man has become like one of us in knowing good and evil. Now, lest he reach out his hand and take also of the tree of life and eat, and live forever-Genesis 3: The Fall

you can run but cannot not hide.

was death was conquered with the logic of law, but that story is complicated . could death kill truth. etc

You make no sense
 

BillG

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then ask death , if a second place finish , is worthy of a prize. given if death has been conquered , we no long need death as a punishment. because a gods finished work was beyond a measuring stick to human logic. and worked beyond history. so education would only be a building block to the knowing ,why we enter death, it has yet to be proclaim, how jesus was let go by death,for death to be executed and thrown in to the fire, in revelation. so now death is silent ,before he faces death. and to think this a story about da sha vu.
same again here
 

BillG

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i say again with no bible proof ,your are liar. and ask, why are you on this web site with no biblical proof. and to the jw, logic was not proven with what you see, it was proven with what you fail to understand.
and again I see no sense
 
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You need to get help....I have not been on here for 6 years and did not engage you till you came in here under JIMBO....so.....maybe you need to wise up and post facts man....and the busted comment was based upon the fact that numerous people asked you if you have been on here under a different name....geesh.....why are you so easily offended.....!!
Why am I ? Perhaps if you and other people stop trying to arouse conspiracies about me I wouldn't be so offended and as for other people asking me if I've been a member here before ??? Who and when I've never lied about that.. yes I've been banned three times but only because no one has taken my side when the likes of you and et decide to turn on people.. and you have been here at least 4 to five years and you and et and your other followers have always attacked me and I've always been the one to carry the can for yours and others I'll mannered radical behavior... I don't get offended by you or et anymore....


You know fine we'll you've attacked me for years along with your mate et

It's all you have ever done on this site the whole time I've known the pair of you is attack anyone who doesn't agree with your radical beliefs...
 

loveme1

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It does not reveal anything about working for salvation.............I am assuming you are speaking of the VERBIAGE applied unto the churches of in ASIA and any reference to the loss of the candlestick is indicative of them losing their authority collectively as a church....it has ZERO to do with salvation.....

In the grace you are, having been saved OUT OF FAITH and that NOT of YOURSELVES..IT is the GIFT OF GOD and NOT OF WORKS lest any man should BOAST

IF it is of works it is NO LONGER GRACE

God's word does not contradict itself....if salvation is based upon works then the above verse references CONTRADICT a working for salvation.....

PAUL was clear....

FAITH plus WORKS to gain, finish or maintain SALVATION is a false, double cursed different gospel which has NO POWER to save and ALL who believe it are BEWITCHED and FOOLS......

end of story!
Are you replying to the Words in Revelation 3? Are you creating your own Gospel based on a verse here or a verse there? There is no contradiction... just spiritual blindness on your part.. But is is worrying that you have just wrote a piece of heresy and you can not see it.
 

loveme1

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It is applied collectively unto ANY and ALL churches of the LORD.....any reference to having the candlestick STIRRED AWAY is applicable unto their authority in the eyes of GOD as a church........a church is a body and will be judged as a body....!
21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3 gives much insight and instruction...
 

loveme1

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8For by grace are ye saved through faith; and that not of yourselves: it is the gift of God: 9Not of works, lest any man should boast. 10For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus unto good works, which God hath before ordained that we should walk in them.


2 Be watchful, and strengthen the things which remain, that are ready to die: for I have not found thy works perfect before God.
3 Remember therefore how thou hast received and heard, and hold fast, and repent. If therefore thou shalt not watch, I will come on thee as a thief, and thou shalt not know what hour I will come upon thee.
4 Thou hast a few names even in Sardis which have not defiled their garments; and they shall walk with me in white: for they are worthy.


There is no contradiction.
 

blue_ladybug

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Jim, to be honest you sound rather paranoid. If you look at Dcon's join date, it says 2013. He's only been here for 4 years..No one is trying to "arouse conspiracies" about you.. No one has accused you of lying about who you were before on here.. And those of us who are not chat dwellers, wouldn't know you anyway..

Why am I ? Perhaps if you and other people stop trying to arouse conspiracies about me I wouldn't be so offended and as for other people asking me if I've been a member here before ??? Who and when I've never lied about that.. yes I've been banned three times but only because no one has taken my side when the likes of you and et decide to turn on people.. and you have been here at least 4 to five years and you and et and your other followers have always attacked me and I've always been the one to carry the can for yours and others I'll mannered radical behavior... I don't get offended by you or et anymore....


You know fine we'll you've attacked me for years along with your mate et

It's all you have ever done on this site the whole time I've known the pair of you is attack anyone who doesn't agree with your radical beliefs...
 
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Ariel82

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He NEVER makes sense.. just a senseless babbler..
I have seen him have moments of clarity and (someone will make fun of me but) i believe he too can be reached and healed by God,

So i encourage all who claim the name of Christ to be loving, kind and forgiving even when we see others not display God's love as Christ has taught us it should be shown, hopefully my words echo in your heart what the Holy spirit has already revealed is true.
 

PennEd

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Amen sister...I do not wish to flatter you with words but only to speak in truth, Peterjens words always condemn me, as i am going through the beautiful cleansing that my Lord Jesus Christ is doing in me with my addiction, He is washing me clean non stop, your words Ariel are uplifting for me because they are Godly, you speak with a gentle spirit not harsh or hard, as i said i am not flattering you with words but as a sinner who is on her journey where God has her, your words are healing and soothing to me, you are like a big sister in Christ who is helping me to move forward, am sorry Peterjens but your post sometimes make me feel like i want to run and hide, you are hard and stern but in a cold manner, you type nice words but then your coldness washes them away with your hardness, i am writing this because i am a viewer to both of your writings, and a gentle spirit with truth is a helping spirit, a guide to those who need a little help...xox...
You have been here 2 months sister. It took me a good year to figure out that this dude is messed up. Just as you have said, he writes something reasonable, maybe even insightful, then in the very next breath, he will either condemn half the people here, or talk about his sinless perfection doctrine.

He has honed his skills over time. Flattering with a fake declaration of love towards others. Falling juuuusst short of reportable-worthy posts.

I understand to some extent, Brothers and Sisters in Christ like EG, and Ariel, continuing to engage this individual, but I can tell you sister, if you desire to remain in the BDF, you will be MUUUCH happier just putting certain individuals on ignore.

Peace, love, and Grace to you. In Jesus Name.
 

loveme1

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Titus3

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For we ourselves also were sometimes foolish, disobedient, deceived, serving divers lusts and pleasures, living in malice and envy, hateful, and hating one another. 4But after that the kindness and love of God our Saviour toward man appeared, 5Not by works of righteousness which we have done, but according to his mercy he saved us, by the washing of regeneration, and renewing of the Holy Ghost; 6Which he shed on us abundantly through Jesus Christ our Saviour; 7That being justified by his grace, we should be made heirs according to the hope of eternal life. 8This is a faithful saying, and these things I will that thou affirm constantly, that they which have believed in God might be careful to maintain good works. These things are good and profitable unto men.

I believe this is also all accompanying the Truth... no contradiction or bewitching

 
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It does not reveal anything about working for salvation.............I am assuming you are speaking of the VERBIAGE applied unto the churches of in ASIA and any reference to the loss of the candlestick is indicative of them losing their authority collectively as a church....it has ZERO to do with salvation.....

In the grace you are, having been saved OUT OF FAITH and that NOT of YOURSELVES..IT is the GIFT OF GOD and NOT OF WORKS lest any man should BOAST

IF it is of works it is NO LONGER GRACE

God's word does not contradict itself....if salvation is based upon works then the above verse references CONTRADICT a working for salvation.....

PAUL was clear....

FAITH plus WORKS to gain, finish or maintain SALVATION is a false, double cursed different gospel which has NO POWER to save and ALL who believe it are BEWITCHED and FOOLS......

end of story!
Nothing changes nothing.

Salvation is by works according to Christ’s work of faith as a labor of His love. He is the rewarde,r the one who paid the wage and freely gives us the results of His grace.(unmerited favor) Can’t separate works for the faith (belief ) needed to work them out.

It would be like separating the spirit essence of life from a body that is dead without a spirit .It cannot works other than to continue to decay and therefore return to the lifeless spiritless dust it was taken from.

James and Paul are saying the same thing coming from the same thoughts (Christ’s)

for by (Christ’s) grace you have been saved through (Christ’s) faith, and that not of yourselves; it is the gift of God, not of works, that no one would boast. For we are his workmanship, created in Christ Jesus for good works, which God prepared before that we would walk in them. Eph 2:8

Jam 2:26 For as the body apart from the spirit is dead, even so faith apart from works is dead.


The moment a person tries to seperate works from faith they have nothing to stand on. Faith works. Without faith no work
 

mailmandan

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21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3 gives much insight and instruction...
1 John 5:4 - For whatever is born of God overcomes the world. And this is the victory that has overcome the world--our faith.
 

loveme1

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1 John 5

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Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

2 By this we know that we love the children of God, when we love God, and keep his commandments.
3 For this is the love of God, that we keep his commandments: and his commandments are not grievous.
4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith.
5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
 
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Ariel82

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PennEd, I have some folks on ignore. It makes the thread easier to read.

After a lot of prayer and checking my armor, I read their posts and respond.Some days i just don't have the time for debating so just check to see if Bill posted some more testimonies or some thing uplifting like Blue post about being 7 years cancer free.

We hang out and get to know one another. It almost feels like a small group and the BDF can be a battlefield if you don't learn to focus on the good and edifying posts.

Von is my favorite thread creator. I know it takes him an hour to type a sentence because of his health, but that makes his short post even more treasured and a blessing.
 
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Why am I ? Perhaps if you and other people stop trying to arouse conspiracies about me I wouldn't be so offended and as for other people asking me if I've been a member here before ??? Who and when I've never lied about that.. yes I've been banned three times but only because no one has taken my side when the likes of you and et decide to turn on people.. and you have been here at least 4 to five years and you and et and your other followers have always attacked me and I've always been the one to carry the can for yours and others I'll mannered radical behavior... I don't get offended by you or et anymore....


You know fine we'll you've attacked me for years along with your mate et

It's all you have ever done on this site the whole time I've known the pair of you is attack anyone who doesn't agree with your radical beliefs...
I have never attacked you per se Jimmy, but your doctrine...and if you have been banned three times already....I do not know if I would have mentioned that........and conspiracies....all we did is ask what your name was before....so.....why are you so paranoid mate....as far as my radical beliefs.....yeah right...you meant to say biblical beliefs...... ;)
 

Magenta

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I saw your post Ariel about wondering if all here were children of God and it made me wonder why you went after me so hatefully for asserting the same thing in defense of a child of God. If one is not a child of God they are a child of Satan, no two ways about it. Your "us and them" is carefully disguised but some of us see it even if you don't. I do pray for you. Have a nice trip.
 
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21 To him that overcometh will I grant to sit with me in my throne, even as I also overcame, and am set down with my Father in his throne.
22 He that hath an ear, let him hear what the Spirit saith unto the churches.

Revelation 3 gives much insight and instruction...

Based upon your last two posts....not quite pal..............it seems obvious that most Brits do not understand the word CONTEXT......there are a few...but so far it seems that most do not....!