For those that hear and rely on Christ to help them to discern this issue of tongues that comes without interpretation:
#1) How can Paul command someone to be silent if the Holy Spirit is manifesting tongues that comes with no interpretation to be used for a prayer language?
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
And yet...
1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 19 Quench not the Spirit.
Thus opposing what Paul had said in this chapter:
1 Corinthians 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
So then what did Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 14:28 because "if" tongues can be used for prayer language, then who is Paul to quench the Spirit for manifesting tongues to pray?
"If" that is what the Holy Spirit is leading the believer to do, and ....
1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Then what is to keep a congregagtion for taking this route below as presumably led by the Spirit to do?
1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
If that be true for a congregation as presumably led by the Spirit to pray in tongues, then what does that say about the individual? Would they not be deem mad as well?
These are contentions raised, so may the Lord help us all to see the truth.
What Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:28 was to be a guide for discerning tongues as to whethor it was being manifested by the Holy Spirit or if it was just a native tongue by a foreigner. It is the understanding of the tongue for which Paul was using "speaking unto" to mean and for believers to discern by.
Compare verses 2 with 28 below.
1 Corinthians 14: 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Here, Paul was saying that God understands what the believers are saying in tongues whereas the tongue speakers does not understand what he is saying in tongues being manifested by the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Here, Paul was saying that the tongue speaker understands what he is saying as God does which means that the tongue he is speaking in is native to the tongue speaker and thus knonw to him because he understands what he is saying as God does also.
So Paul was never saying that tongues was used for speaking unto God when you compare those two verses together in how Paul was using "speaking unto" to mean because it was about understanding the tongue that was being spoken.
Paul bottomlined tongues for what God said He was using tongues for.
1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Paul made no exception when bottomlining it, and so that is why we need discernment from the Lord to help us understand what Paul had meant, otherwise, Paul would be opposing himself by commanding believers to be silent when there is no interpretation, and yet Paul also said in another epistle that we are not to quench the Spirit.
We are to give thanks to God. The Holy Spirit is manifesting tongues to testify of our thanks to God unto the people of the testimony of what God has done for us. but the Spirit, Himself, has no need to give thanks to God. Tongues is not used as a prayer language of the Spirit giving thanks to God when it is being manifested to speak unto the people for the people to be edified by. It is even to be interpreted to edify the tongue speaker as well for him to understand and for that tongue manifested to be fruitful even to the tongue speaker.
That means tongues would never be used as a prayer language when we are to give thanks to God in prayer and thus in our language so that we know what we had prayed for in giving thanks to God when He does answer our prayers.
In the same way in giving supplication & requests to God; it has to be done in the language you know and even silently in knowing what you had prayed for so that when God does answer your prayers that you had known what you had prayed for & talked to God about so that you will give thanks to Jesus Christ for answering your prayers.
John 14: 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Now if God used tongues as a prayer language, then it undermines you ever knowing what was prayed for and thus prevent any opportunity for actually giving thanks to God for answering your prayers... so why would God do that? Answer: He would not.
1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
God wants YOU to give thanks: this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning YOU.
2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Now if the Father knows before you ask Him, then what need does God have to manifest tongues as a prayer language? Answer: None.
So there is no need for tongues to be used as a prayer language, and thus the vanity of tongues without interpretation should be known and avoided.
This is why Paul can command that if someone that speaks in tongues but there is no intepretor to be silent in the church, because the person speaking is a foreignor. There is no danger of quenching the Spirit when He wants to pay because He does not need to pray.
This is why in the second letter to Timothy, tongues without interpretation should be shunned even in our personal walk with the Lord outside of the meeting place of the church, because it is vain. Our edification comes from the understood word.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness....24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world....
Believers were warned not to believe every spirit, and having tonguesw without interpretation is why when supernatural tongues had already existed in the world that was abbling nonsense.
Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25Brethren, pray for us.
God will not copycat Satan's tongues of vain & profane babblings at all so that we can abstain from all appearances of evil.
God wants YOU to pray for others so that He will be given opportunities to answer prayers to receive thanksgiving for.
Tongues without interpretation as vain & profane babblings can be found in world's religions, occults, and cults in christianity.... so consider how that is a fruit of a false prophet in gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Wayward believers can overcome this and be able to shun that evil tongue by going before that throne of grace for help in your time of need.
1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.....4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.
#1) How can Paul command someone to be silent if the Holy Spirit is manifesting tongues that comes with no interpretation to be used for a prayer language?
1 Corinthians 14:27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret. 28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
And yet...
1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you. 19 Quench not the Spirit.
Thus opposing what Paul had said in this chapter:
1 Corinthians 14:16 Else when thou shalt bless with the spirit, how shall he that occupieth the room of the unlearned say Amen at thy giving of thanks, seeing he understandeth not what thou sayest? 17 For thou verily givest thanks well, but the other is not edified.
So then what did Paul meant in 1 Corinthians 14:28 because "if" tongues can be used for prayer language, then who is Paul to quench the Spirit for manifesting tongues to pray?
"If" that is what the Holy Spirit is leading the believer to do, and ....
1 Corinthians 14:32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets. 33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
Then what is to keep a congregagtion for taking this route below as presumably led by the Spirit to do?
1 Corinthians 14:23 If therefore the whole church be come together into one place, and all speak with tongues, and there come in those that are unlearned, or unbelievers, will they not say that ye are mad?
If that be true for a congregation as presumably led by the Spirit to pray in tongues, then what does that say about the individual? Would they not be deem mad as well?
These are contentions raised, so may the Lord help us all to see the truth.
What Paul said in 1 Corinthians 14:28 was to be a guide for discerning tongues as to whethor it was being manifested by the Holy Spirit or if it was just a native tongue by a foreigner. It is the understanding of the tongue for which Paul was using "speaking unto" to mean and for believers to discern by.
Compare verses 2 with 28 below.
1 Corinthians 14: 2 For he that speaketh in an unknown tongue speaketh not unto men, but unto God: for no man understandeth him; howbeit in the spirit he speaketh mysteries.
Here, Paul was saying that God understands what the believers are saying in tongues whereas the tongue speakers does not understand what he is saying in tongues being manifested by the Spirit.
1 Corinthians 14:28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
Here, Paul was saying that the tongue speaker understands what he is saying as God does which means that the tongue he is speaking in is native to the tongue speaker and thus knonw to him because he understands what he is saying as God does also.
So Paul was never saying that tongues was used for speaking unto God when you compare those two verses together in how Paul was using "speaking unto" to mean because it was about understanding the tongue that was being spoken.
Paul bottomlined tongues for what God said He was using tongues for.
1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are diversities of gifts, but the same Spirit. 5 And there are differences of administrations, but the same Lord. 6 And there are diversities of operations, but it is the same God which worketh all in all. 7 But the manifestation of the Spirit is given to every man to profit withal.
1 Corinthians 14:20 Brethren, be not children in understanding: howbeit in malice be ye children, but in understanding be men. 21 In the law it is written, With men of other tongues and other lips will I speak unto this people; and yet for all that will they not hear me, saith the Lord.
Paul made no exception when bottomlining it, and so that is why we need discernment from the Lord to help us understand what Paul had meant, otherwise, Paul would be opposing himself by commanding believers to be silent when there is no interpretation, and yet Paul also said in another epistle that we are not to quench the Spirit.
We are to give thanks to God. The Holy Spirit is manifesting tongues to testify of our thanks to God unto the people of the testimony of what God has done for us. but the Spirit, Himself, has no need to give thanks to God. Tongues is not used as a prayer language of the Spirit giving thanks to God when it is being manifested to speak unto the people for the people to be edified by. It is even to be interpreted to edify the tongue speaker as well for him to understand and for that tongue manifested to be fruitful even to the tongue speaker.
That means tongues would never be used as a prayer language when we are to give thanks to God in prayer and thus in our language so that we know what we had prayed for in giving thanks to God when He does answer our prayers.
In the same way in giving supplication & requests to God; it has to be done in the language you know and even silently in knowing what you had prayed for so that when God does answer your prayers that you had known what you had prayed for & talked to God about so that you will give thanks to Jesus Christ for answering your prayers.
John 14: 13 And whatsoever ye shall ask in my name, that will I do, that the Father may be glorified in the Son. 14 If ye shall ask any thing in my name, I will do it.
Now if God used tongues as a prayer language, then it undermines you ever knowing what was prayed for and thus prevent any opportunity for actually giving thanks to God for answering your prayers... so why would God do that? Answer: He would not.
1 Thessalonians 5:18 In every thing give thanks: for this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning you.
God wants YOU to give thanks: this is the will of God in Christ Jesus concerning YOU.
2 Timothy 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
Matthew 6:7 But when ye pray, use not vain repetitions, as the heathen do: for they think that they shall be heard for their much speaking. 8 Be not ye therefore like unto them: for your Father knoweth what things ye have need of, before ye ask him.
Now if the Father knows before you ask Him, then what need does God have to manifest tongues as a prayer language? Answer: None.
So there is no need for tongues to be used as a prayer language, and thus the vanity of tongues without interpretation should be known and avoided.
This is why Paul can command that if someone that speaks in tongues but there is no intepretor to be silent in the church, because the person speaking is a foreignor. There is no danger of quenching the Spirit when He wants to pay because He does not need to pray.
This is why in the second letter to Timothy, tongues without interpretation should be shunned even in our personal walk with the Lord outside of the meeting place of the church, because it is vain. Our edification comes from the understood word.
2 Timothy 2:15 Study to shew thyself approved unto God, a workman that needeth not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. 16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness....24 And the servant of the Lord must not strive; but be gentle unto all men, apt to teach, patient, 25 In meekness instructing those that oppose themselves; if God peradventure will give them repentance to the acknowledging of the truth; 26 And that they may recover themselves out of the snare of the devil, who are taken captive by him at his will.
1 John 4:1Beloved, believe not every spirit, but try the spirits whether they are of God: because many false prophets are gone out into the world....
Believers were warned not to believe every spirit, and having tonguesw without interpretation is why when supernatural tongues had already existed in the world that was abbling nonsense.
Isaiah 8:19 And when they shall say unto you, Seek unto them that have familiar spirits, and unto wizards that peep, and that mutter: should not a people seek unto their God? for the living to the dead?
1 Thessalonians 5:21 Prove all things; hold fast that which is good. 22 Abstain from all appearance of evil. 23 And the very God of peace sanctify you wholly; and I pray God your whole spirit and soul and body be preserved blameless unto the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. 24 Faithful is he that calleth you, who also will do it. 25Brethren, pray for us.
God will not copycat Satan's tongues of vain & profane babblings at all so that we can abstain from all appearances of evil.
God wants YOU to pray for others so that He will be given opportunities to answer prayers to receive thanksgiving for.
Tongues without interpretation as vain & profane babblings can be found in world's religions, occults, and cults in christianity.... so consider how that is a fruit of a false prophet in gathering grapes of thorns and figs of thistles.
Matthew 7:15 Beware of false prophets, which come to you in sheep's clothing, but inwardly they are ravening wolves. 16 Ye shall know them by their fruits. Do men gather grapes of thorns, or figs of thistles?
1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them. 6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us; he that is not of God heareth not us. Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.
Wayward believers can overcome this and be able to shun that evil tongue by going before that throne of grace for help in your time of need.
1 John 4:4 Ye are of God, little children, and have overcome them: because greater is he that is in you, than he that is in the world.
1 John 5:1Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.....4 For whatsoever is born of God overcometh the world: and this is the victory that overcometh the world, even our faith. 5 Who is he that overcometh the world, but he that believeth that Jesus is the Son of God?
Hebrews 4:12 For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any twoedged sword, piercing even to the dividing asunder of soul and spirit, and of the joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart. 13 Neither is there any creature that is not manifest in his sight: but all things are naked and opened unto the eyes of him with whom we have to do. 14 Seeing then that we have a great high priest, that is passed into the heavens, Jesus the Son of God, let us hold fast our profession. 15 For we have not an high priest which cannot be touched with the feeling of our infirmities; but was in all points tempted like as we are, yet without sin. 16 Let us therefore come boldly unto the throne of grace, that we may obtain mercy, and find grace to help in time of need.