PLease explain this...
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You started your walk with Jesus but your profile says you are not Christian.
These five boys at the back of the bus were among the final year scholars and they were not Christians either, as stated by what you wrote about their experience in the church later.
You were appointed as a group leader over five scholars in their final year of a sunday school camp but you had never read the bible. And along with that an older man was appointed to be your assistant.
I do not wish to be unkind. You asked a very important question in this thread. The question is in the topic "Please explain this". You asked for bible verses to support answers and the only one I can provide that is true to all that is known by what information you have provided is contrary to what i suspect you wish to see. When the blind lead the blind they both fall into a ditch.
Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then you can grow in Christ as a child and learn from the Holy Spirit. After that comes the ability to do great things for God.
Do not be ashamed to be called a Christian if indeed you have been born again. The book Acts of the Apostles reveals that the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch. It is a valid name to use.
These five boys at the back of the bus were among the final year scholars and they were not Christians either, as stated by what you wrote about their experience in the church later.
You were appointed as a group leader over five scholars in their final year of a sunday school camp but you had never read the bible. And along with that an older man was appointed to be your assistant.
I do not wish to be unkind. You asked a very important question in this thread. The question is in the topic "Please explain this". You asked for bible verses to support answers and the only one I can provide that is true to all that is known by what information you have provided is contrary to what i suspect you wish to see. When the blind lead the blind they both fall into a ditch.
Repent and be baptized for the forgiveness of your sins and you will receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. Then you can grow in Christ as a child and learn from the Holy Spirit. After that comes the ability to do great things for God.
Do not be ashamed to be called a Christian if indeed you have been born again. The book Acts of the Apostles reveals that the disciples were first called Christians at Antioch. It is a valid name to use.
M
OP question: Exodus 4:[SUP]14 [/SUP]And the anger of the Lord was kindled against Moses, and he said, Is not Aaron the Levite thy brother? I know that he can speak well. And also, behold, he cometh forth to meet thee: and when he seeth thee, he will be glad in his heart.[SUP]15 [/SUP]And thou shalt speak unto him, and put words in his mouth: and I will be with thy mouth, and with his mouth, and will teach you what ye shall do God does not change. So...He is still doing that to those who are willing to be used.
Pretty cool!
Maggie
Pretty cool!
Maggie
Because you had believed even in His name, you are saved and the Holy Spirit was given to you at that moment when you were saved.
Matthew 10:[SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
So for one that does not know the Word or studied to have complete truth to teach others, what does that say about the promise of the Holy Spirit in regards to anyone that believes in Him, even in His name?
But as you say... not every believer will continue in His words to be His disciples... that does not mean they are not saved. It just means that God is waiting for them to continually seek His face in trusting them as their Good Shepherd in helping them to follow Him in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ so that they may bear fruit and their joy may be full, and that they lose not the full rewards which would include attending the Marriage Supper before the great tribuation comes to escape the hour of trial that shall try all upon the earth including the saints that were not ready nor found abiding in Him that will be left behind.
So there is a call for readiness looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight and sin to run that race to the Marriage Supper, but as our confidence is in the Son to finish His work in us, so will He finished His work even in those left behind that believed in Him but have gone astray because He will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him. They will be weeping and gnashing their teeth over the loss of their birthright to attend the Marriage Supper, but God will wipe the tears from the eyes of those saints coming out of the great tribulation to get past that loss.
Anyway... that is how you had spoken such because the Spirit heard from the Good Shepherd and relayed that message through you to them.
But be careful how you build on that foundation because works that deny Him will also be judged and so calling for the Holy Spirit to visit and to relate to is denying Him as being in you always: plus, denying the Son of God as the only Mediator between God and man by relating to the Holy Spirit as if He is the One you are to relate to God through needs to be repented.
Dare we as the chaste bride of Christ deny the Bridegroom of that which demands intimacy in relating to God by?
So there are alot of works that deny Him and not just catholicism and the like, but in the supernatural arena where errant believers are believing every spirit is of God and chasing after them in relating to them when He is in us and dwelling within us always as promised, and still pointing us to the Son because He is the Bridegroom so we can avoid these false spirits.
Matthew 10:[SUP]19 [/SUP]But when they deliver you up, take no thought how or what ye shall speak: for it shall be given you in that same hour what ye shall speak. [SUP]20 [/SUP]For it is not ye that speak, but the Spirit of your Father which speaketh in you.
So for one that does not know the Word or studied to have complete truth to teach others, what does that say about the promise of the Holy Spirit in regards to anyone that believes in Him, even in His name?
But as you say... not every believer will continue in His words to be His disciples... that does not mean they are not saved. It just means that God is waiting for them to continually seek His face in trusting them as their Good Shepherd in helping them to follow Him in living that reconciled relationship with God through Jesus Christ so that they may bear fruit and their joy may be full, and that they lose not the full rewards which would include attending the Marriage Supper before the great tribuation comes to escape the hour of trial that shall try all upon the earth including the saints that were not ready nor found abiding in Him that will be left behind.
So there is a call for readiness looking to the author & finisher of our faith to help us lay aside every weight and sin to run that race to the Marriage Supper, but as our confidence is in the Son to finish His work in us, so will He finished His work even in those left behind that believed in Him but have gone astray because He will lose nothing of all the Father has given Him. They will be weeping and gnashing their teeth over the loss of their birthright to attend the Marriage Supper, but God will wipe the tears from the eyes of those saints coming out of the great tribulation to get past that loss.
Anyway... that is how you had spoken such because the Spirit heard from the Good Shepherd and relayed that message through you to them.
But be careful how you build on that foundation because works that deny Him will also be judged and so calling for the Holy Spirit to visit and to relate to is denying Him as being in you always: plus, denying the Son of God as the only Mediator between God and man by relating to the Holy Spirit as if He is the One you are to relate to God through needs to be repented.
Dare we as the chaste bride of Christ deny the Bridegroom of that which demands intimacy in relating to God by?
So there are alot of works that deny Him and not just catholicism and the like, but in the supernatural arena where errant believers are believing every spirit is of God and chasing after them in relating to them when He is in us and dwelling within us always as promised, and still pointing us to the Son because He is the Bridegroom so we can avoid these false spirits.
Goeie dag Oom Cobus
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Here is the scripture for what happened to you. I make it a practise never to prepare when ministering to people. I prepare myself, and make sure that I pray beforehand for protection, guidance, wisdom and then I follow the voice of God as I minister to someone. What you experienced was the Holy Spirit teaching you the versus as you needed it. That is why scripture memorisation is not always necessary, but your relationship with God is essential. For the Holy Spirit can teach you everything you need. But even if you know the entire Bible off by heart and have no real relationship then you are simply fooling yourself.
One should minister with your ears on the voice of God. For if not His guidance, there might not be a second opportunity with that person. And you might say just the wrong thing. But God won't. God wants people to be willing to spread the Word of God anytime anywhere anyhow. And if you are willing to listen you will see great things happen, because that is the nature of God.
Mar 13:11 But when they shall lead you, and deliver you up, take no thought beforehand what ye shall speak, neither do ye premeditate: but whatsoever shall be given you in that hour, that speak ye: for it is not ye that speak, but the Holy Ghost.
Joh 14:26 But the Comforter, which is the Holy Ghost, whom the Father will send in my name, he shall teach you all things, and bring all things to your remembrance, whatsoever I have said unto you.
Here is the scripture for what happened to you. I make it a practise never to prepare when ministering to people. I prepare myself, and make sure that I pray beforehand for protection, guidance, wisdom and then I follow the voice of God as I minister to someone. What you experienced was the Holy Spirit teaching you the versus as you needed it. That is why scripture memorisation is not always necessary, but your relationship with God is essential. For the Holy Spirit can teach you everything you need. But even if you know the entire Bible off by heart and have no real relationship then you are simply fooling yourself.
One should minister with your ears on the voice of God. For if not His guidance, there might not be a second opportunity with that person. And you might say just the wrong thing. But God won't. God wants people to be willing to spread the Word of God anytime anywhere anyhow. And if you are willing to listen you will see great things happen, because that is the nature of God.
A
because his testimony is more about how Cobus lead those boys to Christ than how the Holy Spirit did.
why do I call him out on it?
because he preaches another gospel and does not claim to be Christian. does not think himself born again, yet seeks to teach others as if he is qualified.
[h=3]2 Corinthians 11:14-15[/h]
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
you don't find any questions with this statement?
"I took a weeks leave to support them at school, and that went terribly wrong, for MY AWAKENING on what lies ahead...But that is another experience ... call it the VDM revenge... I was kicked off the school property... by you know who... But the boys triamphed, in Jesus. "
"by you know who"
no not really.
we don't know who or why.
The Holy Spirit can work and might have convicted those boys in the camp, but even King Saul spoke prophecies and then still went around trying to kill David.
there is more to the situation than meets the eye and I would call for people to use discernment.
it would be wiser to read the Bible and know it in your heart and mind and not rely on spirits to place the words into your mouth as if you are a channel or medium to speak their thoughts for even demons can quote scripture.
why would they bother? to gain people's trust and mislead them as Paul has warned so many people to be discerning about for they pretend to be ministers of righteousness and pretend to be apostles of Christ but are not.
why do I call him out on it?
because he preaches another gospel and does not claim to be Christian. does not think himself born again, yet seeks to teach others as if he is qualified.
[h=3]2 Corinthians 11:14-15[/h]
[SUP]14 [/SUP]And no wonder! For Satan himself transforms himself into an angel of light. [SUP]15 [/SUP]Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also transform themselves into ministers of righteousness, whose end will be according to their works.
you don't find any questions with this statement?
"I took a weeks leave to support them at school, and that went terribly wrong, for MY AWAKENING on what lies ahead...But that is another experience ... call it the VDM revenge... I was kicked off the school property... by you know who... But the boys triamphed, in Jesus. "
"by you know who"
no not really.
we don't know who or why.
The Holy Spirit can work and might have convicted those boys in the camp, but even King Saul spoke prophecies and then still went around trying to kill David.
there is more to the situation than meets the eye and I would call for people to use discernment.
it would be wiser to read the Bible and know it in your heart and mind and not rely on spirits to place the words into your mouth as if you are a channel or medium to speak their thoughts for even demons can quote scripture.
why would they bother? to gain people's trust and mislead them as Paul has warned so many people to be discerning about for they pretend to be ministers of righteousness and pretend to be apostles of Christ but are not.
A
Cobus doesn't need others forgiveness. he only needs to truly repent and ask God.
he needs the True Gospel and the Holy Spirit that allows him to call out Abba Father and know that he is a child of God. Instead of channeling spirits who teach false perfectionist doctrines and works salvation.
but if you want to be in that "we" its your choice.
so done with this conversation.
bye
he needs the True Gospel and the Holy Spirit that allows him to call out Abba Father and know that he is a child of God. Instead of channeling spirits who teach false perfectionist doctrines and works salvation.
but if you want to be in that "we" its your choice.
so done with this conversation.
bye
C
That "we" was taken from knowing that the Holy Spirit dwells in us and that makes the God-giving hope we have through the resurrection Jesus Christ from those who are dead, a living hope, knowing that He is a seal of sonship, our assurance from God.
It was not meant for a division, sorry for the misunderstanding.
It was not meant for a division, sorry for the misunderstanding.