Firstly, Tommy, thank you for responding. And thank you also for using paragraphs.
All that I preach comes to life when you realize you are not born a poor helpless sinner, or that Jesus was your substitute, He is our example, our strength, out light and power to resist sin and the world!
His purpose surely wasn't to take the wrath of God, or to be a substitute for us, but He died as a ransom to set mankind free from the bondage's of sin, not in them, so yes He had many purposes for us to follow and walk an obedient life IN His strength, in no way am I saying we don't need Jesus from the false accusers.
But what do you do with the bible verses that plainly state that Jesus took our punishment?
"5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
All that I preach comes to life when you realize you are not born a poor helpless sinner, or that Jesus was your substitute, He is our example, our strength, out light and power to resist sin and the world! he made it clear, he who overcomes will inherit eternal life, and unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees and scribes, you will not make it onto the Kingdom.
One other thing. Human righteousness is described in the bible in very dismissive terms. Filthy rags, etc. Paul himself said that he was "blameless" towards the law. And then he goes on to say that this is dung. Why would he call something "dung", if it made him "savable" (as you put it)?
as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
All that I preach comes to life when you realize you are not born a poor helpless sinner, or that Jesus was your substitute, He is our example, our strength, out light and power to resist sin and the world!
His purpose surely wasn't to take the wrath of God, or to be a substitute for us, but He died as a ransom to set mankind free from the bondage's of sin, not in them, so yes He had many purposes for us to follow and walk an obedient life IN His strength, in no way am I saying we don't need Jesus from the false accusers.
But what do you do with the bible verses that plainly state that Jesus took our punishment?
"5But he was wounded for our transgressions, he was bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace was upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.6All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way; and the LORD hath laid on him the iniquity of us all.
7He was oppressed, and he was afflicted, yet he opened not his mouth: he is brought as a lamb to the slaughter, and as a sheep before her shearers is dumb, so he openeth not his mouth.
8He was taken from prison and from judgment: and who shall declare his generation? for he was cut off out of the land of the living: for the transgression of my people was he stricken.
9And he made his grave with the wicked, and with the rich in his death; because he had done no violence, neither was any deceit in his mouth.
10Yet it pleased the LORD to bruise him; he hath put him to grief: when thou shalt make his soul an offering for sin, he shall see his seed, he shall prolong his days, and the pleasure of the LORD shall prosper in his hand."
"For he hath made him to be sin for us, who knew no sin; that we might be made the righteousness of God in him."
All that I preach comes to life when you realize you are not born a poor helpless sinner, or that Jesus was your substitute, He is our example, our strength, out light and power to resist sin and the world! he made it clear, he who overcomes will inherit eternal life, and unless your righteousness exceeds the righteousness of the Pharisees and scribes, you will not make it onto the Kingdom.
One other thing. Human righteousness is described in the bible in very dismissive terms. Filthy rags, etc. Paul himself said that he was "blameless" towards the law. And then he goes on to say that this is dung. Why would he call something "dung", if it made him "savable" (as you put it)?
as touching the law, a Pharisee; 6Concerning zeal, persecuting the church; touching the righteousness which is in the law, blameless. 7But what things were gain to me, those I counted loss for Christ. 8Yea doubtless, and I count all things but loss for the excellency of the knowledge of Christ Jesus my Lord: for whom I have suffered the loss of all things, and do count them but dung, that I may win Christ, 9And be found in him, not having mine own righteousness, which is of the law, but that which is through the faith of Christ, the righteousness which is of God by faith: 10That I may know him, and the power of his resurrection, and the fellowship of his sufferings, being made conformable unto his death; 11If by any means I might attain unto the resurrection of the dead.
