sex before marrige

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Apr 21, 2012
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The law was created at the same time the world was created. Why would God say Cain was wrong about his sacrifice if they weren't to know about blood? I don't think they ever had any idea it was symbolic of Christ's blood until He came in the flesh but they were told to use blood. And where would Noah have gotten information about God and how to obey if there was no law. God would not have had to start over with man by using the flood to rid the world of those determined to have death if there was no law for them to disregard.
no it wasn't... [SUP]13 [/SUP]To be sure, sin was in the world before the law was given, but sin is not charged against anyone’s account where there is no law. [SUP]14 [/SUP]Nevertheless, death reigned from the time of Adam to the time of Moses, even over those who did not sin by breaking a command, as did Adam, who is a pattern of the one to come. Romans 5:13-14
 
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The law was created at the same time the world was created. Why would God say Cain was wrong about his sacrifice if they weren't to know about blood? I don't think they ever had any idea it was symbolic of Christ's blood until He came in the flesh but they were told to use blood. And where would Noah have gotten information about God and how to obey if there was no law. God would not have had to start over with man by using the flood to rid the world of those determined to have death if there was no law for them to disregard.
RedTent you are not referring to Mosaic Law only--is this correct?
 
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Angela53510

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From New Unger's Bible Dictionary:
FORNICATION
(Gk. porneia). Used of illicit sexual intercourse in general (Acts 15:20, 29; Acts 21:25; cf. 1 Cor. 5:1; 1 Cor. 6:13, 18; 1 Cor. 7:2; etc.). It is distinguished from “adultery” (Gk. moicheia, in Matthew 15:19; Mark 7:21). The NIV usually translates porneia as “sexual immorality” and moicheia as “adultery.” Jahn (Biblical Archaeology, sec. 158) thus distinguishes between adultery and fornication among nations where polygamy exists: “If a married man has criminal intercourse with a married woman, or with one promised in marriage, or with a widow expecting to be married with a brother-in-law, it is accounted adultery. If he is guilty of such intercourse with a woman who is unmarried it is considered fornication.” At the present time adultery is the term used of such an act when the person is married, fornication when unmarried; and fornication may be defined as lewdness of an unmarried person of either sex. Its prohibition rests on the ground that it discourages marriage, leaves the education and care of children insecure, depraves and defiles the mind more than any other vice, and thus makes one unfit for the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9; etc.). Our Lord forbids the thoughts that lead to it (cf. Matthew 5:28).
Stephen, is there any possibility of making your posts bigger??? I cannot read them and I would like to! Just highlight and go to size and size it up. Like this:

From New Unger's Bible Dictionary:
FORNICATION
(Gk. porneia). Used of illicit sexual intercourse in general (Acts 15:20, 29; Acts 21:25; cf. 1 Cor. 5:1; 1 Cor. 6:13, 18; 1 Cor. 7:2; etc.). It is distinguished from “adultery” (Gk. moicheia, in Matthew 15:19; Mark 7:21). The NIV usually translates porneia as “sexual immorality” and moicheia as “adultery.” Jahn (Biblical Archaeology, sec. 158) thus distinguishes between adultery and fornication among nations where polygamy exists: “If a married man has criminal intercourse with a married woman, or with one promised in marriage, or with a widow expecting to be married with a brother-in-law, it is accounted adultery. If he is guilty of such intercourse with a woman who is unmarried it is considered fornication.” At the present time adultery is the term used of such an act when the person is married, fornication when unmarried; and fornication may be defined as lewdness of an unmarried person of either sex. Its prohibition rests on the ground that it discourages marriage, leaves the education and care of children insecure, depraves and defiles the mind more than any other vice, and thus makes one unfit for the kingdom of God (1 Cor. 6:9; etc.). Our Lord forbids the thoughts that lead to it (cf. Matthew 5:28).
PS. There are two words for adultery in the Bible, and they have overlap

Both πορνεία and μοιχεύω imply and are used for the word adultery, although porneia can be used for sexual immorality!
 
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We cannot use what was done in times before Christ as an excuse: Acts 17:30 "And the times of this ignorance God winked at; but now commandeth all men every where to repent.."

This is not really a mystery if one understands that the core thought behind all of the various ways pornea is expressed is idolatry.

Colossians 3:5 "Mortify therefore your members which are upon the earth; fornication, uncleanness, inordinate affection, evil concupiscence, and covetousness, which is idolatry:"

Romans 6:12 "Let not sin therefore reign in your mortal body, that ye should obey it in the lusts thereof."


Every Christian needs to see that it is idolatry to chase after their lusts and not wholly dedicate their bodies as sacred vessels to be used as holy instruments glorifying God.

With that in mind, one can see how easy it would be to rationalize sexual activity between consenting unmarried adults as a guise for having an avenue to step around the need to have complete control of our lust for sex.

Disguising it as OK because, "we are in love and are consenting adults", is a facade of self-deception. No one can say for certain that a legitimate marriage will occur until it does. And if everybody used that excuse there would be many for whom that marriage would not materialize.

Also, simple logic also tells us that to do this sets an unloving example for others to follow which might easily land many of those who follow our example into unwanted pregnancies, sexual diseases, injured emotions which can give rise to crazy things like as the Jodi Arias case highlights, not to mention distracting their attention from off God which even in a small way is idolatry. All of this is so, whether we our self escape those consequences or not.

If you would not recommend your child to have sex by consent, (and you know why you wouldn't as it is dangerous in many ways), then it is a clear violation of love and a hypocrisy toward your child or toward other peoples children, knowing they like to grow up so fast, to have set such an example for them. We must set the example in doing what is proper and good and that requires we demonstrate complete mastery over our lusts.

Back to what Paul spoke of at 1 Corinthians 7:31-36, see that it is about our not being distracted from God. Whatever distracts us has become as an idol between us and God. God has allowed us the avenue of marriage which distracts us somewhat and he will not take kindly to our grasping at more than that as the cause of our lessened attention toward him. And that is not selfish. He is our source of life and must be looked to in all seriousness with out distraction if we would be able to walk after his spirit not side-stepping.
 
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I'm up for the whole law.
Really? So you do think it should be the case that a child who rebels against a parent should be stones to death?
Do you really think that a couple that are found to have been adulterous should both be taken and stoned to death?
Do you really think that the daughter of a priest who becomes a prostitute should be burned to death?

If the answer to any of these is 'no' then you are not up for the whole Law as given to Moses at all.
 
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Really? So you do think it should be the case that a child who rebels against a parent should be stones to death?
Do you really think that a couple that are found to have been adulterous should both be taken and stoned to death?
Do you really think that the daughter of a priest who becomes a prostitute should be burned to death?

If the answer to any of these is 'no' then you are not up for the whole Law as given to Moses at all.
the answer is yes :) if we still operated under mosaic covenant then I would be totally for all of that
 
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This scripture is referential to the last days the soon coming of christs and the way people are behaving people no longer has fear of God and are only lovers of themselves and lovers of pleasure rather lovers of God.......If you love God wouldnt you do all to please God and wait until your married but because you love yourself more you seek to satisfy your flesh by having sex before marriage ........you understand.
 
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we are no longer under the law we are under Grace but we also have to remember that God is fair and just and not to be mocked. However , when we came to christ we are new creatures born again and not of this world......Presumptious sin is terrible God is not to be mocked for if we know to do good and doeth not then we have sinned against God. God is a God of mercy and grace he will forgive us when we fall short but he will also judge us when we disobey him and his will. David is a excellent example of God's mercy but what i like about David is yes he sinned against God but he confessed his sins and NEVER did it again so we need to use that analogy for our sins by not doing it again and not using it to substantiate our sin.