sex before marrige

RedTent · May 16, 2013

God created us and God created sex. You can't change what it is anymore than you can redo the world. Makes no difference what you decide about it, it is what it is. It is amazing how stupid the world today is about what it is.

God created it at the same time he created woman as a help and companion for a man. God said the two shall become one, and that was a result of sex. The Song of Solomon tells about how God meant it to be, and also tells of the spiritual part of it. God used a male and a female to become one, the female was originally a part of the male. To put the parts together as one, you can't use two of the same parts. Won't work.

Lots of the people the bible tells of did not respect how they were to behave sexually. They had to pay for their sins, just as we do. If they repented and asked for forgiveness they were forgiven. David is an example. Read how he had to pay the price in this life for his sins, but how he was forgiven.

A biblical marriage is one that operates as a team, each doing their part in the marriage. They are one.

4enlightment · May 16, 2013

teuful_hunden said:

The verses are letting us know how the way people behave. Fornication is just basically someone desire only to please the flesh without commitment. When a couple share themselve with each other without a spiritual connection, and which they are being led by the flesh as the way animals are being led; that relationship will not last. For they will be entering into different relationship with others just for pleasuring themselves for they haven't any respect for themselves and or others, like animals. Marriage means to be devoted to someone. Devoation is a spirit which comes from God. And without these spirits, your spiritual soul will be empty and weak, and be vulnerable to temptations because it need to be nourish or filled. These type of people just move by impulse, and not focusing on or absorbing knowledge of life and which they believe that it is worthless to them. These people are soul-less, and they're many of them. Fornication is one of the ways that you can tell if these people have a spiritual soul. but aslong as they have breath in them, they can conceive a soul; that if they have the want to receive it.

teuful_hunden · May 17, 2013

Bookreader said:

actually I was reffering to the book of romans ^_^

teuful_hunden · May 17, 2013

Bookreader said:

Scripture also says (in the same area of the Bible) that a person who has a mould in their house may be forced to leave their home if it doesn't go away. It also says that a child who rebels against it's parents should be stoned to death.

You up for the WHOLE LAW teuful_hunden? Or just the bits you want to carry forward?

I'm up for the whole law.

teuful_hunden · May 17, 2013

justamazed said:

Proverbs 12:22

[SUP]22 [/SUP]Lying lips are abomination to the Lord: but they that deal truly are his delight.

Genesis 27:11-13
[SUP]11 [/SUP]And Jacob said to Rebekah his mother, Behold, Esau my brother is a hairy man, and I am a smooth man:
[SUP]12 [/SUP]My father peradventure will feel me, and I shall seem to him as a deceiver; and I shall bring a curse upon me, and not a blessing.
[SUP]13 [/SUP]And his mother said unto him, Upon me be thy curse, my son: only obey my voice, and go fetch me them.

Both Rebekah and Jacob LIED to receive the blessing of what God had before hand promised. Does this mean that they both are doomed? No! Why? Because of the truth!

Romans 8:28

[SUP]28 [/SUP]And we know that all things work together for good to them that love God, to them who are the called according to his purpose.

You mean before the law was laid down? you do realize there wasn't a law for them to follow at this point... they weren't really disobeying anything

teuful_hunden · May 17, 2013

4enlightment said:

The verses are letting us know how the way people behave. Fornication is just basically someone desire only to please the flesh without commitment. When a couple share themselve with each other without a spiritual connection, and which they are being led by the flesh as the way animals are being led; that relationship will not last. For they will be entering into different relationship with others just for pleasuring themselves for they haven't any respect for themselves and or others, like animals. Marriage means to be devoted to someone. Devoation is a spirit which comes from God. And without these spirits, your spiritual soul will be empty and weak, and be vulnerable to temptations because it need to be nourish or filled. These type of people just move by impulse, and not focusing on or absorbing knowledge of life and which they believe that it is worthless to them. These people are soul-less, and they're many of them. Fornication is one of the ways that you can tell if these people have a spiritual soul. but aslong as they have breath in them, they can conceive a soul; that if they have the want to receive it.

hmm I think I agree for the most part except in that all people are a soul instead of having to grow one

4enlightment · May 17, 2013

teuful_hunden said:

We're all born with a physical soul, but one thing we're lacking spiritual soul. We must be impregnant with this soul in order to be born-again.

This verse is referring to John being born of the physical nature.
Luke 7:28I tell you, among those born of women there is no one greater than John; yet the one who is least in the kingdom of God is greater than he.”

This verse is referring that we must be born of the physical nature and also of the spiritual nature.
John 3:5Jesus answered, “Very truly I tell you, no one can enter the kingdom of God unless they are bornof water and the Spirit.

This verse is referring that we must be impregnant with the spirit.
John 3:6Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.

Elizabeth619 · May 17, 2013

Looks to me that a few people here are trying to justify scripture because they're having a hard time controling their hormones. You can twist what you want in scripture to make you feel better and less guilty but it does not change the truth. And in the end you will be held accountable for it.
Stop thinking with your hormones and use your brain.

teuful_hunden · May 17, 2013

Elizabeth619 said:

I can't control mine and I'm not twisting da Jesus Book

Elizabeth619 · May 17, 2013

teuful_hunden said:

Nope. You're not, but someone who thinks they can go off and have sex with as many women as they want is.

I read that and gagged. Literally. Nasty.

kardiaoangelous · May 17, 2013

justamazed said:

Not to mention that what Abraham did was not based upon lust. It was based upon his trying to keep his blood line afloat that God's promise to him would not be found false. That was an error caused of Abraham's and Sarah's flesh not fully understanding yet what God was doing and why. But it was done with noble intentions and not to cause harm to anyone.

Contrast Jodi Aris.

What a super sad case! That poor child from her youth on up was as a sheep with no shepherd. She learned so little about love that though she wanted to love she could not do so without giving way to resentment due to the panic in her of what she did not understand.

Put yourself in her shoes for a moment. She was not taught of God until Travis taught her. And like all Christian males, the first thing Travis no doubt taught her as a female was about being loyal to one sexual partner. Then Travis found that she had too many other issues for him to endure with her. But he had already convinced her that she was to be loyal to him as she freely gave herself to him.

That poor child was no doubt thrown into a mode of rejection, the panic of which was worsened by her taste of Mormon principles regarding loyalty toward one sexual partner.

If Travis had been obedient to the scriptures that would have been unlikely to happen. She would have then know clearly where she stood with him and been willing to work toward a possibility of there being more.

And now they are about to put that poor confused child to death. They have already found her guilty of murder one and of the aggravated factor to justify the death sentence, which will likely be imposed this coming Monday.

I know in my heart what happened to that poor child and it does not excuse what she did so cruelly to Travis. But it is understandable for one that was so confused by this world and then fed mixed messages by one who tried to introduce her to God.

And it just burns my stomach that we let evil be met with so much more evil. If she is let live God is not too weak to rescue that child, even behind prison walls.

secularhermit · May 17, 2013

@Matt7777 "...there isnt a scripture in the bible that says sex before marrige is a sin..."

Perhaps you forgot reading the OLD testament.

Virgins were to marry. Those who accepted being raped, by NOT SHOUTING out loud on the fields of contryside, receive their PENALTY.

Today, if the virgin is USED and despised, how are rapers to pay for THAT SIN? (more if they get pregnant).

When I was pagan I used to think that way. It was "convEnient" (just for me) to HAVE FREE SEX (or sex FOR FREE).

I wish my daughter never think that way and, it this happens, It is UP TO HER childbearing (I don´t want more kids).

kardiaoangelous · May 17, 2013

secularhermit said:

Job 31:1 "I made a covenant with mine eyes; why then should I think upon a maid?
2 For what portion of God is there from above? and what inheritance of the Almighty from on high?
3 Is not destruction to the wicked? and a strange punishment to the workers of iniquity?"

1 Corinthians 7:24 Brethren, let every man, wherein he is called, therein abide with God.
25 Now concerning virgins I have no commandment of the Lord: yet I give my judgment, as one that hath obtained mercy of the Lord to be faithful.
26 I suppose therefore that this is good for the present distress, I say, that it is good for a man so to be.
27 Art thou bound unto a wife? seek not to be loosed. Art thou loosed from a wife? seek not a wife.
28 But and if thou marry, thou hast not sinned; and if a virgin marry, she hath not sinned. Nevertheless such shall have trouble in the flesh: but I spare you.

One can interpret that as they will. It reflects their lust for treating people as meat to be devoured, not mine.

Such is the way of this world that thinks the young maiden mere meat to first be sampled and then purchased.

You sir need to examine more closely your understanding of the things you use to convince yourself of your view.

You speak typical atheist interpretations of scripture. Yes, atheists who claim to have read the scriptures with an open mind say the things you say. But we understand why they see things so perversely.

Tumaini · May 17, 2013

Unfortunately or fortunately today , one can always coin the bible to best suit them and their interest. Which ever way you wonna look at it, its not justifiable to have sex before marriage by choice.

RedTent · May 17, 2013

teuful_hunden said:

The law was created at the same time the world was created. Why would God say Cain was wrong about his sacrifice if they weren't to know about blood? I don't think they ever had any idea it was symbolic of Christ's blood until He came in the flesh but they were told to use blood. And where would Noah have gotten information about God and how to obey if there was no law. God would not have had to start over with man by using the flood to rid the world of those determined to have death if there was no law for them to disregard.

livingepistle · May 17, 2013

RedTent said:

In support of RedTent's comments, I would like to append by stating that when God spoke to them (The Spoken Word) was a commandment; whether spoken direct by God or recapitulated by their forefathers--it is God's law.

livingepistle · May 17, 2013

justamazed said:

Gay men are taught to be gay, they were not born to be gay. All men and women are beautifully and wonderfully made by God. It was not God that made them homosexual, it was another man that taught them this behavior subsequent to having been born.

The male (body) anatomy is structured with specific functions for every member (body parts) of his anatomy. That should be notice enough to be aware "mentally" one must be willing to alter the natural functions of the human anatomy; to do so the behavior must be taught or forced in violation of the participants will.

starfield · May 17, 2013

justamazed said:

It is written...
Rom 1:26-32
26 For this cause God gave them up unto vile affections: for even their women did change the natural use into that which is against nature:
27 And likewise also the men, leaving the natural use of the woman, burned in their lust one toward another; men with men working that which is unseemly, and receiving in themselves that recompence of their error which was meet.
28 And even as they did not like to retain God in their knowledge, God gave them over to a reprobate mind, to do those things which are not convenient;
29 Being filled with all unrighteousness, fornication, wickedness, covetousness, maliciousness; full of envy, murder, debate, deceit, malignity; whisperers,
30 Backbiters, haters of God, despiteful, proud, boasters, inventors of evil things, disobedient to parents,
31 Without understanding, covenantbreakers, without natural affection, implacable, unmerciful:
32 Who knowing the judgment of God, that they which commit such things are worthy of death, not only do the same, but have pleasure in them that do them.

Homosexuality is not a birth defect.

Ariel82 · May 17, 2013

Porthos said:

hey someone who kind of thinks like me: if you have sex, in God's eyes you are married.

except you insert "with their parents permission" some people are orphans. so whose permission do they need to marry?

Ariel82 · May 17, 2013

Elizabeth619 said:

didn't read that, must have been said by the guy I have on ignore.

what I read when he is quoted is bad enough.

gag times ten.\

PS. Portos just finish reading the thread and saw you answer to my question.

nevermind thanks,

just happy that some other people saw that the Bible says having sex is like being married in God's eyes.

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