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This is absolutely true, but it isn't a matter of saying that we don't need to study God's word, now, we live through Christ. Or our minds do not have to be involved, or what we decide to do every day. The day that God's power entered us, we were like bablies. Babies have to be taught, nurtured, and even disiplined. Children can grow into disrespectful rebels. The Holy Spirit is our parent, the word is our guide. We can follow or not.
I do not know of anyone else whether they serve out of self or out of God's finished work at the cross only each person does, I just know where I have been and delivered out of, and had decieved myself, so as long as one is sure in themselves cool I am not the Judge. I just remember to study to know who God is and what God has done for us all. Thank you for all your admonishments
agreed 100% and try to understand what the other is saying without any condemnation(s), Thanks
[h=3]Romans 8[/h]King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
[h=3]Romans 8[/h]King James Version (KJV)
8 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.
This saturday I went to a synagogue... They pray in "hebrew". Those prayers are addressed pointing out to geografic Israel (not directly to God). Apparently and according to what I HEARD, circunsion has a price, since the ruler spoke about a child whose dad paid 2.000Bs to get rid of that piece of flesh. That process of transculturization is quite interesting, and I´m sure it is GOD´s CHOICE to take those HE WANTS where he wants.
Well put so we study ourselves to be approved and what about that we are once we belived we are already what? Yes
Ephesians 1:6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Ephesians 1:7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 1:14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
a done deal by God so we can rejoice and not be worried, stressed out, all well with our Souls, But the flesh just keeps butting back in like a billy goat to thwart us off of the joy, righteousness, and peace found in the Holy Ghost
Ephesians 1:6To the praise of the glory of his grace, wherein he hath made us accepted in the beloved.
Ephesians 1:7In whom we have redemption through his blood, the forgiveness of sins, according to the riches of his grace;
Colossians 1:14In whom we have redemption through his blood, even the forgiveness of sins:
a done deal by God so we can rejoice and not be worried, stressed out, all well with our Souls, But the flesh just keeps butting back in like a billy goat to thwart us off of the joy, righteousness, and peace found in the Holy Ghost
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It means what it says, If our obedience is required to be made right with God. we are putting ourselves under law.
Salvation by faith is a trust that Christ paid the price. Those who have truly repented and come to Christ, will be obedient, not perfect. there salvation is not based on obedience, that would be law. Their obedience is based on their repentance.
Salvation by faith is a trust that Christ paid the price. Those who have truly repented and come to Christ, will be obedient, not perfect. there salvation is not based on obedience, that would be law. Their obedience is based on their repentance.
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I never said they did. But every time you sayy we must be obedient to be saved, you are preaching law.
As you just said, those saved WILL be obedient, They are not saved because they were obedient, The only way we can be saved by being obedient is to be perfect from birth with no sin, we already fell short of that standard.
As you just said, those saved WILL be obedient, They are not saved because they were obedient, The only way we can be saved by being obedient is to be perfect from birth with no sin, we already fell short of that standard.
Our nature has been changed by the laws being removed from cold dead stone and engraved on the fleshy tablets of our hearts. We are freed from the curse of the law, its consequences, death. Our new nature is to fully desire to please our Father, honor our Father.
This is not to sound hard, but when you question someone saying we must be obedient, the only alternative would be to be disobedient, and the Father says disobedience is idolatry.
It is certain you do not mean that we should teach to disobey, but that is the alternative to what you have questioned. God bless you, and remember, there is never any harm in doing the same things our Lord, Jesus, Yeshua, did. He is the Only True Example.
This is not to sound hard, but when you question someone saying we must be obedient, the only alternative would be to be disobedient, and the Father says disobedience is idolatry.
It is certain you do not mean that we should teach to disobey, but that is the alternative to what you have questioned. God bless you, and remember, there is never any harm in doing the same things our Lord, Jesus, Yeshua, did. He is the Only True Example.
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When you add the words "to be saved" to the phrase "must be obedient" you are adding law to grace.
I am not saying we should not be obedient, We should, we would be fools not to. God does not give us commands because he wants to master over us, although he has every right, but because he wants what is good for us.
The issue is. How is one saved. NOT how one who is already saved and been given eternal life should act.
I am not saying we should not be obedient, We should, we would be fools not to. God does not give us commands because he wants to master over us, although he has every right, but because he wants what is good for us.
The issue is. How is one saved. NOT how one who is already saved and been given eternal life should act.