Let's see. Who is telling the truth and who is nursing and pregnant with Satan's lies and calling God a liar? Biblical truths in Black. Lies or unsupported Traditions of Men in Red.
Jesus says clearly that He returns AFTER the Tribulation.
You disagree and say Jesus comes before the Tribulation. You have no verse to back up your view.
Paul says the Lord does not return until AFTER the Man of Sin is revealed.
You disagree and say Jesus comes before the Tribulation. You have no verse to back up your view.
Paul teaches that the gathering together to Christ happens at the Day of the Lord.
You teach that Paul tells one group of Thessalonians that they will be Raptured, then warns the same Thessalonians not to be deceived concerning the timing of Christ's return.
John gives dire Tribulation era warnings to churches to change their ways.
You state the church is taken to heaven although you have no verse that teaches this or shows the church in heaven.
God says Jesus is to return to earth and reign.
You say Jesus goes back to heaven and you have no verse that states Jesus returns to heaven after He comes.
We are told we must through tribulation enter the Kingdom of heaven, that we will suffer tribulation and be hated and killed for His name's sake.
You teach that there is an exception to this rule only for Christians who happen to be on earth just prior to the Tribulation. You have no verse where this doctrine has been reversed.
We are told to be the Salt and Light on earth.
You teach that during the greatest period of evil, we are to turn tail and run. You have no verse to support this view.
God calls the 144K his "firstfruits redeemed from men."
You disagree and instead have the church as the firstfruits. You have no verse to support this position.
God teaches in multiple places that Jesus is to remain at His right hand "until He has made the earth His footstool."
You believe Jesus disobeys God and sneaks off to earth for a rescue of the church before God has done anything to make earth His footstool. You have no verse to support this view.
Paul teaches that "DEATH" is the last enemy Christ defeats.
You teach that Christ defeats death as soon as He comes for the Rapture and before He defeats Satan, the Beast or anyone wicked. You have no verse that supports your position.
The author of Hebrews teaches that it is appointed until men once to die and after this comes the judgment and to those who await for Christ, He will appear a second time for salvation. Again, Christ defeats death last, at the end of His 1,000 year reign.
You teach that saved men don't die, rather they are transformed and taken to heaven. You teach Christ appears three times, not twice as Hebrews states. You further move the transformation from the end of the millennium to the Before the Tribulation. There is no such timing given and the context is clearly end of the World.
We are told to have patience and faith.
You teach no patience is needed. You have no scripture to support this view.
We are told to watch, that the Lord comes as a thief in the night.
You teach - no need to watch as we are gonna be outa here.
We are told that in all the land, 2/3 shall be cut off and die but 1/3 shall remain in it. The 1/3 are brought through fire, refined and tested and will call the Lord their God and He will call them His people.
You teach there is another group not mentioned here who are Raptured, thus not tested, not refined. You have no verse that says this. You have nothing to account for the percentage of saved Jews who would be Raptured if a Rapture indeed exists.
We are told Satan wages war with and defeats Saints. We are told multitudes of Christians are killed during the Great Tribulation.
You explain this as these must be tribulation saints who did not make the cut for the rapture. There is no verse or scriptural support for the notion of a Tribulation Saint. No distinction is ever given.
We are told there will be a great apostasy or falling away before the Man of Sin is revealed.
You teach that after all believers are taken that a great rival happens with millions coming to Christ only to just as quickly fall away and turn back away from Christ and worship the AntiChrist. This concept is not taught and cannot be found in the Bible.
We are told that only those who persevere will be kept from the Hour of Trial that will come upon the whole earth.
You teach that no persevering is needed, we are taken before anything bad happens. Or you teach this verse doesn't apply to the whole earth as there is another group not mentioned here that is raptured. Further you teach the way we are kept from this trial is by being taken to heaven. No verse or teaching can be found to support your view.
We are taught that there is nothing new under the sun.
You teach that there are new things. No verse states this.
Jesus tells us plainly in direct response to a question about the end times that, "(HE) has told you all things."
You call Christ a liar by asserting that Christ left out the Rapture lesson instead allowed Paul to reveal it some 20+ years later. You have no verse that teaches Christ left out anything or that the Rapture lesson was reserved for Paul to reveal.
We are told that the Elect (who are on earth after the Tribulation) where chosen from the foundations of the earth. We are told they are faithful and true and spiritually virgin and that they are blameless before God and that they follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
You teach that they were unbelievers when the Rapture occurred and failed to make the cut. You teach they are second class Christians who are not invited to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb because they failed the initially make the cut.
Peter teaches that Paul's lessons are difficult to understand and that there will be those who twist Paul's words to their own destruction.
You teach that it is those who read the clear teachings who are doing the twisting and not you who have no scriptural support for most of your end times views.
God teaches that He is not the Author of Confusion. We are further told that Babel = Babylon = Satan who is deceptive.
You believe in a view that did not exist before 1830 and was not widely taught until the Revised Scofield Study Bible came out in 1917. You teach that this new view which did not exist for 1800 years is the truth and those of us who believe the classical view which the church held from Christ to Darby are the ones who are confused.
We are told Satan is the Master Deceiver and the Father of all Liars. We are told to put on the whole armor of God including girding our waist with truth that we might "Withstand in the Evil Day."
You teach we won't even be here for the Evil Day.
We are told there will be wolves in sheep's clothing looking to lead us astray.
You don't see any wolves or you see those speaking the clear Word as the wolves.
We are told to test everything (against the Word of God)
You teach a doctrine that has no Biblical bases which was developed by lumping together separate passages mostly from Paul - that Christ himself never taught. There is no Rapture lesson which tells the story start to finish. There is no word to distinguish one return from the other. You believe a doctrine were most of the key tenants cannot be found even separately, let alone not found together.
Dear Friend, the Pre-Trib Rapture view has more holes in it than Titanic. Just this one little new doctrine has completely twisted so much of the Bible and contorted the views and minds of millions of believers. Christ did not leave anything out. He did not stutter. He clearly stated when He was coming back and He never qualified the statement.
Jesus says clearly that He returns AFTER the Tribulation.
You disagree and say Jesus comes before the Tribulation. You have no verse to back up your view.
Paul says the Lord does not return until AFTER the Man of Sin is revealed.
You disagree and say Jesus comes before the Tribulation. You have no verse to back up your view.
Paul teaches that the gathering together to Christ happens at the Day of the Lord.
You teach that Paul tells one group of Thessalonians that they will be Raptured, then warns the same Thessalonians not to be deceived concerning the timing of Christ's return.
John gives dire Tribulation era warnings to churches to change their ways.
You state the church is taken to heaven although you have no verse that teaches this or shows the church in heaven.
God says Jesus is to return to earth and reign.
You say Jesus goes back to heaven and you have no verse that states Jesus returns to heaven after He comes.
We are told we must through tribulation enter the Kingdom of heaven, that we will suffer tribulation and be hated and killed for His name's sake.
You teach that there is an exception to this rule only for Christians who happen to be on earth just prior to the Tribulation. You have no verse where this doctrine has been reversed.
We are told to be the Salt and Light on earth.
You teach that during the greatest period of evil, we are to turn tail and run. You have no verse to support this view.
God calls the 144K his "firstfruits redeemed from men."
You disagree and instead have the church as the firstfruits. You have no verse to support this position.
God teaches in multiple places that Jesus is to remain at His right hand "until He has made the earth His footstool."
You believe Jesus disobeys God and sneaks off to earth for a rescue of the church before God has done anything to make earth His footstool. You have no verse to support this view.
Paul teaches that "DEATH" is the last enemy Christ defeats.
You teach that Christ defeats death as soon as He comes for the Rapture and before He defeats Satan, the Beast or anyone wicked. You have no verse that supports your position.
The author of Hebrews teaches that it is appointed until men once to die and after this comes the judgment and to those who await for Christ, He will appear a second time for salvation. Again, Christ defeats death last, at the end of His 1,000 year reign.
You teach that saved men don't die, rather they are transformed and taken to heaven. You teach Christ appears three times, not twice as Hebrews states. You further move the transformation from the end of the millennium to the Before the Tribulation. There is no such timing given and the context is clearly end of the World.
We are told to have patience and faith.
You teach no patience is needed. You have no scripture to support this view.
We are told to watch, that the Lord comes as a thief in the night.
You teach - no need to watch as we are gonna be outa here.
We are told that in all the land, 2/3 shall be cut off and die but 1/3 shall remain in it. The 1/3 are brought through fire, refined and tested and will call the Lord their God and He will call them His people.
You teach there is another group not mentioned here who are Raptured, thus not tested, not refined. You have no verse that says this. You have nothing to account for the percentage of saved Jews who would be Raptured if a Rapture indeed exists.
We are told Satan wages war with and defeats Saints. We are told multitudes of Christians are killed during the Great Tribulation.
You explain this as these must be tribulation saints who did not make the cut for the rapture. There is no verse or scriptural support for the notion of a Tribulation Saint. No distinction is ever given.
We are told there will be a great apostasy or falling away before the Man of Sin is revealed.
You teach that after all believers are taken that a great rival happens with millions coming to Christ only to just as quickly fall away and turn back away from Christ and worship the AntiChrist. This concept is not taught and cannot be found in the Bible.
We are told that only those who persevere will be kept from the Hour of Trial that will come upon the whole earth.
You teach that no persevering is needed, we are taken before anything bad happens. Or you teach this verse doesn't apply to the whole earth as there is another group not mentioned here that is raptured. Further you teach the way we are kept from this trial is by being taken to heaven. No verse or teaching can be found to support your view.
We are taught that there is nothing new under the sun.
You teach that there are new things. No verse states this.
Jesus tells us plainly in direct response to a question about the end times that, "(HE) has told you all things."
You call Christ a liar by asserting that Christ left out the Rapture lesson instead allowed Paul to reveal it some 20+ years later. You have no verse that teaches Christ left out anything or that the Rapture lesson was reserved for Paul to reveal.
We are told that the Elect (who are on earth after the Tribulation) where chosen from the foundations of the earth. We are told they are faithful and true and spiritually virgin and that they are blameless before God and that they follow the Lamb wherever He goes.
You teach that they were unbelievers when the Rapture occurred and failed to make the cut. You teach they are second class Christians who are not invited to the Marriage Supper of the Lamb because they failed the initially make the cut.
Peter teaches that Paul's lessons are difficult to understand and that there will be those who twist Paul's words to their own destruction.
You teach that it is those who read the clear teachings who are doing the twisting and not you who have no scriptural support for most of your end times views.
God teaches that He is not the Author of Confusion. We are further told that Babel = Babylon = Satan who is deceptive.
You believe in a view that did not exist before 1830 and was not widely taught until the Revised Scofield Study Bible came out in 1917. You teach that this new view which did not exist for 1800 years is the truth and those of us who believe the classical view which the church held from Christ to Darby are the ones who are confused.
We are told Satan is the Master Deceiver and the Father of all Liars. We are told to put on the whole armor of God including girding our waist with truth that we might "Withstand in the Evil Day."
You teach we won't even be here for the Evil Day.
We are told there will be wolves in sheep's clothing looking to lead us astray.
You don't see any wolves or you see those speaking the clear Word as the wolves.
We are told to test everything (against the Word of God)
You teach a doctrine that has no Biblical bases which was developed by lumping together separate passages mostly from Paul - that Christ himself never taught. There is no Rapture lesson which tells the story start to finish. There is no word to distinguish one return from the other. You believe a doctrine were most of the key tenants cannot be found even separately, let alone not found together.
Dear Friend, the Pre-Trib Rapture view has more holes in it than Titanic. Just this one little new doctrine has completely twisted so much of the Bible and contorted the views and minds of millions of believers. Christ did not leave anything out. He did not stutter. He clearly stated when He was coming back and He never qualified the statement.
Just as a side note about the 1/3 - 2/3 split...
There is an indication that only 10% will ultimately survive...
Isa 24:5 The earth is also defiled under its inhabitants, Because they have transgressed the laws, Changed the ordinance, Broken the everlasting covenant.
Isa 24:6 Therefore the curse has devoured the earth, And those who dwell in it are desolate. Therefore the inhabitants of the earth are burned, And few men are left.
Isa 33:13 Hear, you who are afar off, what I have done; And you who are near, acknowledge My might."
Isa 33:14 The sinners in Zion are afraid; Fearfulness has seized the hypocrites: "Who among us shall dwell with the devouring fire? Who among us shall dwell with everlasting ( a good place to insert the word "nuclear") burnings?"
Isa 33:15 He who walks righteously and speaks uprightly, He who despises the gain of oppressions, Who gestures with his hands, refusing bribes, Who stops his ears from hearing of bloodshed, And shuts his eyes from seeing evil:
Isa 6:11 Then I said, "Lord, how long?" And He answered: "Until the cities are laid waste and without inhabitant, The houses are without a man, The land is utterly desolate,
Isa 6:12 The LORD has removed men far away, And the forsaken places are many in the midst of the land.
Isa 6:13 But yet a tenth will be in it, And will return and be for consuming, As a terebinth tree or as an oak, Whose stump remains when it is cut down. So the holy seed shall be its stump."
Now is this 10% of the total? Or 10% of the remaining 1/3? Scary, isn't it?