Theology Debate Part 1 - Soteriology

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wwjd_kilden

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And those who hear the word and are stangled by the cares of the world then? They clearly heard God at some point
 
tribesman

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wwjd_kilden said:
And those who hear the word and are stangled by the cares of the world then? They clearly heard God at some point
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I already explained to you about the four soils a few days ago. Find the post again.

Btw I don't recommend reading Wesley.
 
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jimmydiggs

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This is part of a document I put together for a friend of mine, that dealt with (somewhat systematically) the Doctrines of Grace.

I have selected verses (some) that speak on the nature of mankind(this includes the ladies).

There should be a document attached to this post.


Also,

Anyone who believes you can "choose" to be saved before regeneration, and/or that you can become unsaved after you are saved, disagrees strongly with the truth of John 3:6.

Flesh gives birth to flesh, but the Spirit gives birth to spirit.
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wwjd_kilden

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tribesman said:
I already explained to you about the four soils a few days ago. Find the post again.

Btw I don't recommend reading Wesley.
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No worries, people in here are confusing enough, I stick to the bible when reading Christian literature ;) :)
 
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Paulie079

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tribesman said:
OK. But there is no "free will" (in justification in particular and in spiritual matters in general).
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All of this I used to agree with, but as I said in my first post, I don't believe that it is this cut-and-dry. Scripture holds God's sovereignty and human responsibility in tension with each other.
 
tribesman

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Paulie079 said:
All of this I used to agree with, but as I said in my first post, I don't believe that it is this cut-and-dry. Scripture holds God's sovereignty and human responsibility in tension with each other.
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How works that tension then?

Do you see any difference in the pre- versus post-regenerate state of man? I see a huge difference between these two.

Natural men are really dead in their sins. They can't do or want a thing that pleases God.
 
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Paulie079

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tribesman said:
How works that tension then?

Do you see any difference in the pre- versus post-regenerate state of man? I see a huge difference between these two.

Natural men are really dead in their sins. They can't do or want a thing that pleases God.
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That's something that I want to study and try to work out more. But I think there is a point where it's incredibly difficult (and possibly even impossible) to understand it.

I'm headed out the door for the day right now, but when I get back, I'll post an example. Thanks for your patience :)
 
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