Total Depravity
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I do not believe in total depravity because it says that we pretty much have to sin. I believe it is always a choice to sin or not. God will hold every sinner accountable for their sins. Total depravity takes away from true confession of sin. "I did it" is alot different than "I had no choice". I believe in man's ability even as sinners to do the right thing. Those who are not born again are not all reprobates and murderers. I do not believe we are the product of the Fall as much as we are sinners by choice.
A few words from the Master's lips:
Matt 18v3: Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19v14: Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
And from Paul:
Rom 7v9: For I was alive without the law once...
And finally some from the prophet Isaiah:
Isaiah 53v6: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way...
Summing up then: All humans have gone astray (by an act of freewill), NOT born astray...
Matt 18v3: Verily I say unto you, Except ye be converted, and become as little children, ye shall not enter into the kingdom of heaven.
Matt 19v14: Suffer little children, and forbid them not, to come unto me: for of such is the kingdom of heaven.
And from Paul:
Rom 7v9: For I was alive without the law once...
And finally some from the prophet Isaiah:
Isaiah 53v6: All we like sheep have gone astray; we have turned every one to his own way...
Summing up then: All humans have gone astray (by an act of freewill), NOT born astray...
I have wondered at the love spoken by Jesus for children, and that we need be like them.
One must consider that children learn everything from their parent, from how to eat, to walk, to know what is harmful, to know right from wrong, to know what is good.
This is the heart of a child that we are called to seek, as we are called His children in Jesus.
Jesus said, to keep our eyes on Him, I see this asked so we will learn from Him.
Rather than looking to depravity, I believe we are called to look to Jesus, and all that is His love , His salvation, the will of the Father taught.
God bless.
pickles
One must consider that children learn everything from their parent, from how to eat, to walk, to know what is harmful, to know right from wrong, to know what is good.
This is the heart of a child that we are called to seek, as we are called His children in Jesus.
Jesus said, to keep our eyes on Him, I see this asked so we will learn from Him.
Rather than looking to depravity, I believe we are called to look to Jesus, and all that is His love , His salvation, the will of the Father taught.
God bless.
pickles
J
Mark 13:12
"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will
rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
Matthew 20:21
"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will
rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
Jesus doesn't seem to think it's so nutty.
"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child. Children will
rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
Matthew 20:21
"Brother will betray brother to death, and a father his child; children will
rebel against their parents and have them put to death.
Jesus doesn't seem to think it's so nutty.