Well Homewardbound, that verse of Scripture you referenced (1 Cor. 12:13) is talking about our positional standing in terms of Salvation. In terms of Salvation, we all have an equal ground.
But the roles and responsibilities of the man are still different from the roles and responsibilities of the women.
And who said that man needed to be a tyrant?
All brother Lordson Roch is doing is teaching from the Bible that women are not called to be preachers or pastors. Women have a different role in the churches.
They can serve in the church and ministry in many ways, but they are not called to be pastors, preachers, or bishops.
7 Whereunto I am ordained a preacher, and an apostle, (I speak the truth in Christ, and lie not a teacher of the Gentiles in faith and verity.
8 I will therefore that men pray every where, lifting up holy hands, without wrath and doubting.
9 In like manner also, that women adorn themselves in modest apparel, with shamefacedness and sobriety; not with broided hair, or gold, or pearls, or costly array;
10 But (which becometh women professing godliness) with good works.
11 Let the woman learn in silence with all subjection.
12 But I suffer not a woman to teach, nor to usurp authority over the man, but to be in silence.
13 For Adam was first formed, then Eve.
14 And Adam was not deceived, but the woman being deceived was in the transgression.
15 Notwithstanding she shall be saved in childbearing, if they continue in faith and charity and holiness with sobriety. - 1 Timothy 2:7-15 (King James Bible)
26 How is it then, brethren? when ye come together, every one of you hath a psalm, hath a doctrine, hath a tongue, hath a revelation, hath an interpretation. Let all things be done unto edifying.
27 If any man speak in an unknown tongue, let it be by two, or at the most by three, and that by course; and let one interpret.
28 But if there be no interpreter, let him keep silence in the church; and let him speak to himself, and to God.
29 Let the prophets speak two or three, and let the other judge.
30 If any thing be revealed to another that sitteth by, let the first hold his peace.
31 For ye may all prophesy one by one, that all may learn, and all may be comforted.
32 And the spirits of the prophets are subject to the prophets.
33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.
34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience as also saith the law.
35 And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36 What? came the word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?
37 If any man think himself to be a prophet, or spiritual, let him acknowledge that the things that I write unto you are the commandments of the Lord.
38 But if any man be ignorant, let him be ignorant.
39 Wherefore, brethren, covet to prophesy, and forbid not to speak with tongues.
40 Let all things be done decently and in order. - 1 Corinthians 14:26-40 (King James Bible)
Oh understood all you said and the literal verses used. So tell me what is God's viewpoint from God? Does God view yuo in the Spirit or flesh? And how arewe to worship God? Spirit or Flesh?
John 4:23But the hour cometh,
and now is, when the true worshippers shall worship the Father in
spirit and in
truth: for the Father seeketh such to worship him.
John 4:24God is a
Spirit:
and they that worship him must worship him in
spirit and in
truth.
John 14:17Even the
Spirit of
truth; whom the world cannot receive, because it seeth him not, neither knoweth him: but ye know him; for he dwelleth with you,
and shall be in you.
So you go ahead and play man's game here on earth for our true hight priest is Christ and our worship place is in heaven here and now being dead to flesh daily and alive to God daily, so yes you are right we are all equal in heaven by God through Christ and this is where I personally live by god in the Spirit of God having my mind renewed to God forsaking all others as in beiing married to God by Christ
Now the true place of worship and where we are made citizens of: this is just what I see and you are free to be over others if you to, I am not I am equal made right to God in the prersence of God by God's Son Jesus Christ
[h=3]Hebrews 8:1-4[/h]King James Version (KJV)
8 Now of the things which we have spoken this is the sum: We have such an high priest, who is set on the right hand of the throne of the Majesty in the heavens;
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2 [/SUP]A minister of the sanctuary, and of the true tabernacle, which the Lord pitched, and not man.
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3 [/SUP]For every high priest is ordained to offer gifts and sacrifices: wherefore it is of necessity that this man have somewhat also to offer.
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4 [/SUP]For if he were on earth, he should not be a priest, seeing that there are priests that offer gifts according to the law:
Philippians 1:27
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Live as Citizens of Heaven ] Above all, you must live as
citizens of heaven, conducting yourselves in a manner worthy of the Good News about Christ. Then, whether I come and see you again or only hear about you, I will know that you are standing together with one spirit and one purpose, fighting together for the faith, which is the Good News.
Philippians 3:20But we are
citizens of heaven, where the Lord Jesus Christ lives. And we are eagerly waiting for him to return as our Savior
We are not citizens of this world let alone earthly Churches that hebrews 8:1-4 clearly state about
We are as belkievers no longer belong to the flesh and or this world we belong to God as new creations in the resurrection of Christ, whereby God himnself alsoraises us from dead flesh after we die with Christ at the cross, God by the operation of raises us back to new life here and now as he did Christ his only begotten Son, and we the believers are included in this.
Now earthly fleshly worship is pleasing to God,no flesh in god's sight shall ever please God. the only flesh that ever did was Christ Jesus and we can't even come close to that for he was born of a virgin, being a life-giving Spirit.
Hope you see the differance between Flesh, this world and the Spirit of God
Ephesians 6:12For we are not fighting against
flesh-
and-blood enemies, but against evil rulers
and authorities of the unseen world, against mighty powers in this dark world,
and against evil
spirits in the heavenly places.
And please do not think that these evil rulers are not in the world churches acting as angels of light doing their very best for us the laymen to work in the energy of our own flesh's and become divided and conquered, not serving God as God is tobe worshipped in Spirit and truth. No we got to have wars and rumors of wars, and not be equal, Man in control actinf as if he is doing God's work. Being good little Toby's and yet behind closed doors completely differant that what they profess, and not posses, yet doing a good Job acting, women do the same.
We need new life Brothers and Sisters, Life's here and noe in the Spirtit of God being born again to the kiingdom of heaven
Anyway, you all go right ahead and just look good in front of this world as if you got something.
The battle is flesh and Spirit of God through Christ, one controls the other. So you decide are you born of the Spirit of God or the same the Spirit of the flesh?