A Visible Sign of the Invisible
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Paul's question, Have you received the Holy Ghost SINCE you believed? indicates there is discernable evidence when a person has the experience. The account itself indicates that the 12 men would have no difficulty answering that exact question if asked in the future.
Acts 19:6-7
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.
Keep in mind that the fruit of the Spirit is never associated with the initial experience of receiving of the Holy Ghost. However, speaking in tongues is.
Acts 19:6-7
And when Paul had laid his hands upon them, the Holy Ghost came on them; and they spake with tongues, and prophesied.
And all the men were about twelve.
Keep in mind that the fruit of the Spirit is never associated with the initial experience of receiving of the Holy Ghost. However, speaking in tongues is.
There is nothing hidden or mysterious in the scripture I provided in answer to your question. It's pretty cut and dry, if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
The Bible reveals tongues is the sign that a person has received the Holy Spirit. And it states: "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Rom 8:9-11[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything about tongues here.
The Bible reveals tongues is the sign that a person has received the Holy Spirit. And it states: "But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.
And if Christ be in you, the body is dead because of sin; but the Spirit is life because of righteousness.
But if the Spirit of him that raised up Jesus from the dead dwell in you, he that raised up Christ from the dead shall also quicken your mortal bodies by his Spirit that dwelleth in you." Rom 8:9-11[/QUOTE]
I don't see anything about tongues here.
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The scriptures are fine. Your understanding is off. You are conflating the baptism with the Holy Spirit and the baptism of the Spirit. The former is an outward sign much as you are referring to and the latter is an inward activity as is mentioned in 1 Corinthians 12:13 where one is placed into the body of Christ.
Jesus spoke the words recorded in the scripture I provided from Mark 16:15-20. Verse 20 actually says, "And they went forth, and preached everywhere, the Lord working with them, and confirming the word with signs following. Amen." What was being confirmed? The words Jesus had spoken; believers will speak with new tongues.
And the truth Jesus spoke was confirmed as seen in the experience of 100% of the people in Acts 2, 10, and 19. In addition, tongues having been established as the sign that accompanied the infilling, was what made the people in Acts 8 know they had not received the Holy Ghost.
Scripture is clear; however, I guess some just don't see it.
No need to continue going in circles. Thanks for the discussion.
And the truth Jesus spoke was confirmed as seen in the experience of 100% of the people in Acts 2, 10, and 19. In addition, tongues having been established as the sign that accompanied the infilling, was what made the people in Acts 8 know they had not received the Holy Ghost.
Scripture is clear; however, I guess some just don't see it.
No need to continue going in circles. Thanks for the discussion.
Notice what it does say at the end of Acts 2. It was the Apostles who were performing the wonders and signs.
Don't you think if the point was that everyone would speak in tongues then this would have been recorded every time?
In the end, you are doing as you did with baptism...making salvation contingent upon some activity of man. It's a false conclusion.
Don't you think if the point was that everyone would speak in tongues then this would have been recorded every time?
In the end, you are doing as you did with baptism...making salvation contingent upon some activity of man. It's a false conclusion.
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Was Jesus making a statement or asking a question in Luke 11:13?
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
So do you think the vipers know how to give good gifts to their children? If someone who is evil, (or abodes not in the truth, since there is no truth in them) how could they know how to bring forth good things since out of their evil treasure comes forth evil things.
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Matt 12:34
It seems that if a viper thinks that they are telling the truth, then it might be difficult for them to perceive otherwise.
So what did the Holy Spirit tell Paul to ask those certain disciples he found at Ephesus? (Acts 19:2)
You do know that the verse you quoted from Mark 16 isn't considered to be part of the original text but was later added to the gospel of Mark, or was it's John who was surnamed Mark, but anyways, in the 2nd century.
If ye then, being evil, know how to give good gifts unto your children, how much more shall your heavenly Father give the Holy Spirit to them that ask him?
So do you think the vipers know how to give good gifts to their children? If someone who is evil, (or abodes not in the truth, since there is no truth in them) how could they know how to bring forth good things since out of their evil treasure comes forth evil things.
O generation of vipers, how can ye, being evil, speak good things? for out of the abundance of the heart the mouth speaketh. Matt 12:34
It seems that if a viper thinks that they are telling the truth, then it might be difficult for them to perceive otherwise.
So what did the Holy Spirit tell Paul to ask those certain disciples he found at Ephesus? (Acts 19:2)
You do know that the verse you quoted from Mark 16 isn't considered to be part of the original text but was later added to the gospel of Mark, or was it's John who was surnamed Mark, but anyways, in the 2nd century.
Apparently you are the one who does not see what is plainly written.
1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
Romans 12:4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and not all members have the same
function, 5 so in Christ we who are many are one body, and each member belongs to one another.
6 We have different gifts according to the grace given us. If one’s gift is prophecy, let him
use it in proportion to his faith; 7 if it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach;
8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is giving, let him give generously; if it is leading,
let him lead with diligence; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.
I wish that all of you could speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies
is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be edified. 1 Cor 14:5
1 Corinthians 12:4 Now there are varieties of gifts, but the same Spirit; 5 and there are varieties of service, but the same Lord; 6 and there are varieties of activities, but it is the same God who empowers them all in everyone. 7 To each is given the manifestation of the Spirit for the common good. 8 For to one is given through the Spirit the utterance of wisdom, and to another the utterance of knowledge according to the same Spirit, 9 to another faith by the same Spirit, to another gifts of healing by the one Spirit, 10 to another the working of miracles, to another prophecy, to another the ability to distinguish between spirits, to another various kinds of tongues, to another the interpretation of tongues. 11 All these are empowered by one and the same Spirit, who apportions to each one individually as he wills.
Romans 12:4 Just as each of us has one body with many members, and not all members have the same
function, 5 so in Christ we who are many are one body, and each member belongs to one another.
6 We have different gifts according to the grace given us. If one’s gift is prophecy, let him
use it in proportion to his faith; 7 if it is serving, let him serve; if it is teaching, let him teach;
8 if it is encouraging, let him encourage; if it is giving, let him give generously; if it is leading,
let him lead with diligence; if it is showing mercy, let him do it cheerfully.
I wish that all of you could speak in tongues, but I would rather have you prophesy. He who prophesies
is greater than one who speaks in tongues, unless he interprets so that the church may be edified. 1 Cor 14:5