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You don't think....?
I gave Jesus' words, what do you think of His words concerning coming to Him for rest?
I was trying to be polite by not making a statement of truth as "I know", but I do know that God gives help and guidance to us for our benefit, and God's help is not a yoke. I rely on you to have enough scripture knowledge to not have to copy and paste passages about the attributes of God. For the gentiles of the day that day, the rituals the Jews did seemed a yoke to them, but God is no yoke. The scripture you quoted does NOT say that all God's guidance to us are yokes. That scripture was given to people who were expected to read enough of other scriptures to know that God wants us to read what translators and you like to say is the law with regard to all that God says. By reading about yokes, and deciding all of God is a yoke, you use a scripture to teach something that opposes God's word.
 
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Are you kidding me mate! Not one verse is after the death of Christ. Your argument is verily incapable of producing any useful result to support your ludicrous post. I shall scoff and bark in laughter at your weakness of the Word of GOD.
Did you get over your nosebleed over reading the scripture in Genesis? You cut your study time of the bible WAY down, getting rid of 78% of the bible. Do you get nosebleeds also, when your NT scripture speaks of scripture written before "the death of Christ", or does it make it OK to have it repeated in that time? Course most of the gospels were telling of time before Christ was crucified, do they also have to be ignored?
 
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You have yet to prove your belief you have only provided individual one verse text from passages to keep up false man made doctrines. He, plus many others, including myself have provided scripture within context using only the Bible to explain what we believe, you have yet to do that.
You really are funny. An outright lie, of course, can't count the times I've posted many verses of truth, so, again, as many times past, since you hunger for scripture and are having a problem with temperament, as well as Pharisaical bondage and legalism,

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 7:4-6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Galatians 5:13-14 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Galatians 5:16-18 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 2:18-21 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

2 Corinthians 3:3-6 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Romans 8:1-9 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 7:3-5 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Here's some bonus scripture, even!

Matthew 23:23-28 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.
 

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You really are funny. An outright lie, of course, can't count the times I've posted many verses of truth, so, again, as many times past, since you hunger for scripture and are having a problem with temperament, as well as Pharisaical bondage and legalism,

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 7:4-6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Galatians 5:13-14 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Galatians 5:16-18 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

Galatians 2:18-21 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor. For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God. I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me. I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

2 Corinthians 3:3-6 Forasmuch as ye are manifestly declared to be the epistle of Christ ministered by us, written not with ink, but with the Spirit of the living God; not in tables of stone, but in fleshy tables of the heart. And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward: not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God; who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Romans 8:1-9 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death. For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh: that the righteousness of the law might be fulfilled in us, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit. For they that are after the flesh do mind the things of the flesh; but they that are after the Spirit the things of the Spirit. For to be carnally minded is death; but to be spiritually minded is life and peace. Because the carnal mind is enmity against God: for it is not subject to the law of God, neither indeed can be. So then they that are in the flesh cannot please God. But ye are not in the flesh, but in the Spirit, if so be that the Spirit of God dwell in you. Now if any man have not the Spirit of Christ, he is none of his.

Matthew 7:3-5 And why beholdest thou the mote that is in thy brother's eye, but considerest not the beam that is in thine own eye? Or how wilt thou say to thy brother, Let me pull out the mote out of thine eye; and, behold, a beam is in thine own eye? Thou hypocrite, first cast out the beam out of thine own eye; and then shalt thou see clearly to cast out the mote out of thy brother's eye.

2 Peter 1:16 For we have not followed cunningly devised fables, when we made known unto you the power and coming of our Lord Jesus Christ, but were eyewitnesses of his majesty.

2 Peter 2:1 But there were false prophets also among the people, even as there shall be false teachers among you, who privily shall bring in damnable heresies, even denying the Lord that bought them, and bring upon themselves swift destruction.

Here's some bonus scripture, even!

Matthew 23:23-28 Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye pay tithe of mint and anise and cummin, and have omitted the weightier matters of the law, judgment, mercy, and faith: these ought ye to have done, and not to leave the other undone. Ye blind guides, which strain at a gnat, and swallow a camel. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye make clean the outside of the cup and of the platter, but within they are full of extortion and excess. Thou blind Pharisee, cleanse first that which is within the cup and platter, that the outside of them may be clean also. Woe unto you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! for ye are like unto whited sepulchres, which indeed appear beautiful outward, but are within full of dead men's bones, and of all uncleanness. Even so ye also outwardly appear righteous unto men, but within ye are full of hypocrisy and iniquity.

I am on my phone so i will not attempt to address this post all I'm going to reiterate is that you are taking verses from passages out of context to keep up a man made doctrine.
 

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No one is exempt from the sabbath as it is defined in the NT. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the 'day of rest'. We enter into that rest(Jesus) by faith. We cease from our religious works. We abide in Him and He dwells in us fulfilling His works in us and through us by the Spirit. Keeping religious observances is not part of those works.
 
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You really are funny. An outright lie, of course, can't count the times I've posted many verses of truth, so, again, as many times past, since you hunger for scripture and are having a problem with temperament, as well as Pharisaical bondage and legalism,

Galatians 4:9-11 But now, after that ye have known God, or rather are known of God, how turn ye again to the weak and beggarly elements, whereunto ye desire again to be in bondage? Ye observe days, and months, and times, and years. I am afraid of you, lest I have bestowed upon you labour in vain.

Colossians 2:14 Blotting out the handwriting of ordinances that was against us, which was contrary to us, and took it out of the way, nailing it to his cross.

Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

Romans 7:4-6 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God. For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death. But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

Colossians 2:16-17 Let no man therefore judge you in meat, or in drink, or in respect of an holyday, or of the new moon, or of the sabbath days: which are a shadow of things to come; but the body is of Christ.

Romans 14:5 One man esteemeth one day above another: another esteemeth every day alike. Let every man be fully persuaded in his own mind.

Galatians 2:4-5 And that because of false brethren unawares brought in, who came in privily to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, that they might bring us into bondage: to whom we gave place by subjection, no, not for an hour; that the truth of the gospel might continue with you.

Matthew 22:37-40 Jesus said unto him, Thou shalt love the Lord thy God with all thy heart, and with all thy soul, and with all thy mind. This is the first and great commandment. And the second is like unto it, Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself. On these two commandments hang all the law and the prophets.

Galatians 5:13-14 For, brethren, ye have been called unto liberty; only use not liberty for an occasion to the flesh, but by love serve one another. For all the law is fulfilled in one word, even in this; Thou shalt love thy neighbour as thyself.

1 John 3:23 And this is his commandment, That we should believe on the name of his Son Jesus Christ, and love one another, as he gave us commandment.

1 John 4:7-8 Beloved, let us love one another: for love is of God; and every one that loveth is born of God, and knoweth God. He that loveth not knoweth not God; for God is love.

Galatians 5:16-18 This I say then, Walk in the Spirit, and ye shall not fulfil the lust of the flesh. For the flesh lusteth against the Spirit, and the Spirit against the flesh: and these are contrary the one to the other: so that ye cannot do the things that ye would. But if ye be led of the Spirit, ye are not under the law.

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You say all other people lie because you copy and post bible verses. Yet you post them to uphold a lie!

You post about weak and beggarly elements, saying everyone but you are weak and beggarly.

You post about ordinances against us, to verify your ordinances that are against God's word are correct.

You post Ga.2 about using the Holy Spirit to guide to law instead of rituals to guide to uphold ignoring all guidance the Lord gives us.

You post that Christ saves by grace not law to prove to ignore law.

You post not to judge to say you shouldn't be judged but it is OK if you judge others.

I could go on, but even if you can't get my point, some others who read this can understand. To top it off, you post about love when every one of your posts expresses anything but love.
 
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No one is exempt from the sabbath as it is defined in the NT. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the 'day of rest'. We enter into that rest(Jesus) by faith. We cease from our religious works. We abide in Him and He dwells in us fulfilling His works in us and through us by the Spirit. Keeping religious observances is not part of those works.
Resting in the Lord every day and every minute of our lives means we have faith in His word, not that it replaces faith. If we truly rest in the Lord we would have faith in His word, even the word to consider one day of the week especially Holy. If we truly rest in the Lord we would listen to Him and what the Lord says.

Knowing that God does not judge us by our works does not mean that we must not follow Jesus is what we actually do in this world. We are told God looks at our heart and saves through grace. When God gives us this scripture it is not denying the scripture saying we are to follow Christ in our lives.

You are reading the word by the letter, and we are to read it in spirit and truth.
 
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To do GOOD we´re all free! It was meant to enjoy and spend soe time with GOD, in the spiritual realm, yet we are also free to have additional days to do GOOD and the same spiritual exercise during the week.
 
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I was listening to a sermon about the great falling way. Many are going to come and say Jesus is Lord and lead people away from the truth. We MUST stay in truth because many come to steal kill and destroy serving the prince of lies.

It may be uncomfortable for some who are deceived to hear that they are but wouldn't you rather know the truth than follow a path that leads to destruction? ?.

To much focus is placed on trying to show who has the greatest bible knowledge or who is the best cut and paster. When every deceptive path leads us away from God's presence. I am not a bible scholar, I dont pretend to be. Im an intercessor. I want God to draw me with His truth..and I want people to correct me when im wrong.

Blessed be the name of our Lord
I disbelieved this: "Im an intercessor."

Yet the blue ones (I want people to correct me when im wrong) are worthy to be read. :eek:
 
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This post is in response to one made in the thread entitled "Hell", so that I could keep that thread on topic.

Post I am responding to:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100271-hell-16.html#post1721197

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Where in any of the Scriptures you quoted from is there a commandment from the LORD thy God to honor Christ's resurrection by changing His holy day of rest?

Since everyone likes to quote Paul, let us find out if he observed a different day than His Lord.

Acts 13:13-16 "Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem. But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience."

Paul and his company went into the synagogue at Antioch on the Sabbath. Not only did he speak to the "men of Israel", but also those "that fear God" as well. At the end of his sermon, this is what happened:

Acts 13:42-46 "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles."

The Gentiles that were in the synagogue asked to hear about Christ again the next Sabbath. When the next Sabbath came, almost the entire city came to hear the Word of God. When the Jews contradicted and blasphemed Paul and Barnabas for speaking of Jesus to the Gentiles, they were told that because they had judged themselves unworthy of eternal life, the Word of God was going to the Gentiles. So, we could easily conclude that the Sabbath was obviously involved in the witnessing to the Gentiles. If not, why didn't any of the apostles, at any time, tell them that the Sabbath was transferred to the new day of worship?

Acts 16:12-14 "And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days. And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont [customarily] to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul."

Once again, on the Sabbath, Paul and his company were in Philippi and came to a river where it was customary to pray. They met Lydia, a worshiper of God, and she accepted the things spoken of by Paul. Here we have a Gentile woman in a Gentile city accepting the testimony of Jesus by Paul on the Sabbath. Why would they choose the Sabbath, and not the new "Lord's Day", to go to the river where prayer was customarily made? Again, the Sabbath is involved with bringing a Gentile to Christ.

Acts 17:1-4 "Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner [custom] was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few."

In Thessalonica, Paul visited a synagogue of the Jews and preached Christ to them for 3 successive Sabbaths. Now, you might say, Paul is preaching to the Jews, and that is why it is on the Sabbath. Keep reading, and you will discover that there were "the devout Greeks a great multitude" there as well. This text even informs us that preaching to Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath was Paul's custom, just as it was Jesus'! He was following the pattern of His Lord and Savior.

Luke 4:16 "And he [Jesus] came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

Acts 18:1-4, 11 "After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome) and came unto them. And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." "And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them."

Finally, we have Paul at Corinth. He lodged with Pontus and Priscilla because they were of the same occupation, tent-making. Paul remains there for 1 and a half years, and taught the Word of God to the Jews and Greeks every Sabbath. In Corinth alone, Paul taught Gentiles on 68 Sabbaths!

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In conclusion, how could we pick a few texts out that mention the apostles meeting on the first day of the week, and automatically make it a fact that they did this because the day was holy unto God. All they did was meet, that is it. The testimony of the Old Testament, Gospels, and early Church as it is written in the book of Acts, declare that the Sabbath is binding upon all men at all times.

All you have to do is study the subject from the Bible as a whole instead of using a few Scriptures that have nothing to do with the Sabbath, just to convince yourself and others to disobey God. The worst part is, that you actually believe it is the truth that you speaking. Listen, I am no better than anyone else. We all must have a desire for the entire Word of God. Not just the New Testament, or the texts written after Jesus died. That is insanity, and makes void everything that Christ stood for.


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Jesus heals on Sabbath...

From the same principles;

1. Are doctors allowed to work on Sabbath?

since medicine are used for healing...
2. Are pharmaceutical workers doing good if they work to produce medicinal drugs on Sabbath?
People can observe things that they don't have to observe. For a practicing Jew that follows the law then they would probably not be working but does Israel shut down everything including emergency services on the Sabbath Day? I will have to do more research on this.

Other than that pagans don't care about the Sabbath or the Lord's Day or God or Christ so every day is the same for them.

But as for believer's in Christ who are under the New Covenant of grace there is no Sabbath observance since Christ is the Sabbath. Believer's rest in Christ. We are to observe God's moral law which consists of the two commandments given by Christ but no observance of a Jewish Sabbath.

The Old Covenant has been replaced with the New Covenant and to go back under the law would forfeit grace. You cannot live under law and grace at the same time.

[h=1]Luke 6:6-11New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]6 [/SUP]On another Sabbath he went into the synagogue and was teaching, and a man was there whose right hand was shriveled. [SUP]7 [/SUP]The Pharisees and the teachers of the law were looking for a reason to accuse Jesus, so they watched him closely to see if he would heal on the Sabbath. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But Jesus knew what they were thinking and said to the man with the shriveled hand, “Get up and stand in front of everyone.” So he got up and stood there.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]Then Jesus said to them, “I ask you, which is lawful on the Sabbath: to do good or to do evil, to save life or to destroy it?”
[SUP]10 [/SUP]He looked around at them all, and then said to the man, “Stretch out your hand.” He did so, and his hand was completely restored. [SUP]11 [/SUP]But the Pharisees and the teachers of the law were furious and began to discuss with one another what they might do to Jesus.



[h=1]Luke 13:13-15New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]13 [/SUP]Then he put his hands on her, and immediately she straightened up and praised God.
[SUP]14 [/SUP]Indignant because Jesus had healed on the Sabbath, the synagogue leader said to the people, “There are six days for work. So come and be healed on those days, not on the Sabbath.”
[SUP]15 [/SUP]The Lord answered him, “You hypocrites! Doesn’t each of you on the Sabbath untie your ox or donkey from the stall and lead it out to give it water?


[h=1]Matthew 12:7-8New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]7 [/SUP]If you had known what these words mean, ‘I desire mercy, not sacrifice,’[SUP][a][/SUP] you would not have condemned the innocent. [SUP]8 [/SUP]For the Son of Man is Lord of the Sabbath.”



[h=1]Mark 2:26-28New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]26 [/SUP]In the days of Abiathar the high priest, he entered the house of God and ate the consecrated bread, which is lawful only for priests to eat. And he also gave some to his companions.”
[SUP]27 [/SUP]Then he said to them, “The Sabbath was made for man, not man for the Sabbath. [SUP]28 [/SUP]So the Son of Man is Lord even of the Sabbath.”



[h=1]Colossians 2:16-17New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Freedom From Human Rules[/h][SUP]16 [/SUP]Therefore do not let anyone judge you by what you eat or drink, or with regard to a religious festival, a New Moon celebration or a Sabbath day. [SUP]17 [/SUP]These are a shadow of the things that were to come; the reality, however, is found in Christ.



[h=1]Galatians 5:13-15New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Life by the Spirit[/h][SUP]13 [/SUP]You, my brothers and sisters, were called to be free. But do not use your freedom to indulge the flesh[SUP][a][/SUP]; rather, serve one another humbly in love. [SUP]14 [/SUP]For the entire law is fulfilled in keeping this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.”[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]15 [/SUP]If you bite and devour each other, watch out or you will be destroyed by each other.



[h=1]Galatians 3:10-11New International Version (NIV)[/h] [SUP]10 [/SUP]For all who rely on the works of the law are under a curse, as it is written: “Cursed is everyone who does not continue to do everything written in the Book of the Law.”[SUP][a][/SUP] [SUP]11 [/SUP]Clearly no one who relies on the law is justified before God, because “the righteous will live by faith.”[SUP][b]

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[h=1]Galatians 3:23-24New International Version (NIV)[/h] [h=3]Children of God[/h][SUP]23 [/SUP]Before the coming of this faith,[SUP][a][/SUP] we were held in custody under the law, locked up until the faith that was to come would be revealed. [SUP]24 [/SUP]So the law was our guardian until Christ came that we might be justified by faith.
 

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No one is exempt from the sabbath as it is defined in the NT. Jesus Christ is the fulfillment of the 'day of rest'. We enter into that rest(Jesus) by faith. We cease from our religious works. We abide in Him and He dwells in us fulfilling His works in us and through us by the Spirit. Keeping religious observances is not part of those works.
That is correct. A most excellent post if I must say so.
 
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Saturday is not the sabbath. One would think that the title of the thread alone should have opened readers to this.
 

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This post is in response to one made in the thread entitled "Hell", so that I could keep that thread on topic.

Post I am responding to:
http://christianchat.com/bible-discussion-forum/100271-hell-16.html#post1721197

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Where in any of the Scriptures you quoted from is there a commandment from the LORD thy God to honor Christ's resurrection by changing His holy day of rest?

Since everyone likes to quote Paul, let us find out if he observed a different day than His Lord.

Acts 13:13-16 "Now when Paul and his company loosed from Paphos, they came to Perga in Pamphylia: and John departing from them returned to Jerusalem. But when they departed from Perga, they came to Antioch in Pisidia, and went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and sat down. And after the reading of the law and the prophets the rulers of the synagogue sent unto them, saying, Ye men and brethren, if ye have any word of exhortation for the people, say on. Then Paul stood up, and beckoning with his hand said, Men of Israel, and ye that fear God, give audience."

Paul and his company went into the synagogue at Antioch on the Sabbath. Not only did he speak to the "men of Israel", but also those "that fear God" as well. At the end of his sermon, this is what happened:

Acts 13:42-46 "And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles besought that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath. Now when the congregation was broken up, many of the Jews and religious proselytes followed Paul and Barnabas: who, speaking to them, persuaded them to continue in the grace of God. And the next sabbath day came almost the whole city together to hear the word of God. But when the Jews saw the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and spake against those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming. Then Paul and Barnabas waxed bold, and said, It was necessary that the word of God should first have been spoken to you: but seeing ye put it from you, and judge yourselves unworthy of everlasting life, lo, we turn to the Gentiles."

The Gentiles that were in the synagogue asked to hear about Christ again the next Sabbath. When the next Sabbath came, almost the entire city came to hear the Word of God. When the Jews contradicted and blasphemed Paul and Barnabas for speaking of Jesus to the Gentiles, they were told that because they had judged themselves unworthy of eternal life, the Word of God was going to the Gentiles. So, we could easily conclude that the Sabbath was obviously involved in the witnessing to the Gentiles. If not, why didn't any of the apostles, at any time, tell them that the Sabbath was transferred to the new day of worship?

Acts 16:12-14 "And from thence to Philippi, which is the chief city of that part of Macedonia, and a colony: and we were in that city abiding certain days. And on the sabbath we went out of the city by a river side, where prayer was wont [customarily] to be made; and we sat down, and spake unto the women which resorted thither. And a certain woman named Lydia, a seller of purple, of the city of Thyatira, which worshipped God, heard us: whose heart the Lord opened, that she attended unto the things which were spoken of Paul."

Once again, on the Sabbath, Paul and his company were in Philippi and came to a river where it was customary to pray. They met Lydia, a worshiper of God, and she accepted the things spoken of by Paul. Here we have a Gentile woman in a Gentile city accepting the testimony of Jesus by Paul on the Sabbath. Why would they choose the Sabbath, and not the new "Lord's Day", to go to the river where prayer was customarily made? Again, the Sabbath is involved with bringing a Gentile to Christ.

Acts 17:1-4 "Now when they had passed through Amphipolis and Apollonia, they came to Thessalonica, where was a synagogue of the Jews: And Paul, as his manner [custom] was, went in unto them, and three sabbath days reasoned with them out of the scriptures, Opening and alleging, that Christ must needs have suffered, and risen again from the dead; and that this Jesus, whom I preach unto you, is Christ. And some of them believed, and consorted with Paul and Silas; and of the devout Greeks a great multitude, and of the chief women not a few."

In Thessalonica, Paul visited a synagogue of the Jews and preached Christ to them for 3 successive Sabbaths. Now, you might say, Paul is preaching to the Jews, and that is why it is on the Sabbath. Keep reading, and you will discover that there were "the devout Greeks a great multitude" there as well. This text even informs us that preaching to Jews and Gentiles on the Sabbath was Paul's custom, just as it was Jesus'! He was following the pattern of His Lord and Savior.

Luke 4:16 "And he [Jesus] came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up: and, as his custom was, he went into the synagogue on the sabbath day, and stood up for to read."

Acts 18:1-4, 11 "After these things Paul departed from Athens, and came to Corinth; And found a certain Jew named Aquila, born in Pontus, lately come from Italy, with his wife Priscilla; (because that Claudius had commanded all Jews to depart from Rome) and came unto them. And because he was of the same craft, he abode with them, and wrought: for by their occupation they were tentmakers. And he reasoned in the synagogue every sabbath, and persuaded the Jews and the Greeks." "And he continued there a year and six months, teaching the word of God among them."

Finally, we have Paul at Corinth. He lodged with Pontus and Priscilla because they were of the same occupation, tent-making. Paul remains there for 1 and a half years, and taught the Word of God to the Jews and Greeks every Sabbath. In Corinth alone, Paul taught Gentiles on 68 Sabbaths!

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In conclusion, how could we pick a few texts out that mention the apostles meeting on the first day of the week, and automatically make it a fact that they did this because the day was holy unto God. All they did was meet, that is it. The testimony of the Old Testament, Gospels, and early Church as it is written in the book of Acts, declare that the Sabbath is binding upon all men at all times.

All you have to do is study the subject from the Bible as a whole instead of using a few Scriptures that have nothing to do with the Sabbath, just to convince yourself and others to disobey God. The worst part is, that you actually believe it is the truth that you speaking. Listen, I am no better than anyone else. We all must have a desire for the entire Word of God. Not just the New Testament, or the texts written after Jesus died. That is insanity, and makes void everything that Christ stood for.


God Bless
You're going to have to wait. I have to go and pick up baby.

Later tonight sometime I will respond.
 
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You're going to have to wait. I have to go and pick up baby.

Later tonight sometime I will respond.
Not a problem at all. Taking care of your family is high priority. Talk to you later.

God Bless
 

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I was trying to be polite by not making a statement of truth as "I know", but I do know that God gives help and guidance to us for our benefit, and God's help is not a yoke. I rely on you to have enough scripture knowledge to not have to copy and paste passages about the attributes of God. For the gentiles of the day that day, the rituals the Jews did seemed a yoke to them, but God is no yoke. The scripture you quoted does NOT say that all God's guidance to us are yokes. That scripture was given to people who were expected to read enough of other scriptures to know that God wants us to read what translators and you like to say is the law with regard to all that God says. By reading about yokes, and deciding all of God is a yoke, you use a scripture to teach something that opposes God's word.
So don't quote a verse from Scripture unless you quote the whole bible, is that the idea?
Has it yet occurred to you that JESUS CHRIST is the focal point of Scripture? He offers rest through coming to Him, where else will you find rest? In the shadows of the OT types?
 
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So don't quote a verse from Scripture unless you quote the whole bible, is that the idea?
Has it yet occurred to you that JESUS CHRIST is the focal point of Scripture? He offers rest through coming to Him, where else will you find rest? In the shadows of the OT types?
Anything instituted after the sin of Adam/Eve is a shadow. Anything instituted before cannot be a shadow, as it was created before sin entered the world. The seventh day Sabbath was created before the fall, hence it will never be a shadow. If you, in your own mind, believe it is a shadow, then you must also add marriage as well, because that was instituted by the LORD before Adam/Eve sinned. However, I feel it would be safe to say that you have no problem with marriage as you don't see it as a shadow. Something is wrong with this situation.

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That is correct. A most excellent post if I must say so.
Hebrews 4:3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

And so what Sabbath is God referring too?
 
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Hebrews 4:3 Now we who have believed enter that rest, just as God has said, “So I declared on oath in my anger, ‘They shall never enter my rest.’” And yet his works have been finished since the creation of the world.

And so what Sabbath is God referring too?
As any diligent Bible student would know, the answer is found in verses 4 through 9 of that same chapter.

God Bless
 

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How about this? If you want to keep the sabbath go ahead, no one is stopping you, but canyou please for all that you hold dear in your hearts, shut up about it and leave us alone? If you believe its mandatory then guess what? Im willing to take my chances.