Your Thoughts on why Samaritans were considered half breeds.

[Jason0047]

Your Thoughts on why the Samaritans were considered half breeds.



Sources (You might be interested in checking out):

The Samaritans: The pagan half-Jews of the Old Testament.

Who were the Samaritans?

Overview

https://bible.org/assets/powerpoint/bl4k_jesusinjohn_samaritanwoman-fit.pdf

 

[Zmouth]

In John 8:48-49 it is written


48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

While the Jews said Jesus was a Samaritan, to which Jesus denied he had a devil, yet didn't deny being a Samaritan.

Could Jesus have been denying having a devil on principle since it is written, Deut 4:39 "Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else."

 

[Bookends]

The Jews (generally) were pious.

 

[Ariel82]

I always found the story of the Good Samaritan interesting. Luke 10

 

[psychomom]

i always identified with the wrong person in that story.

truth be told, i ought to identify with the people passing, not helping.
i ought to identify with the guy, beaten and helpless, left for dead.

Jesus is the One Who binds wounds and pours oil and wine on us.
Jesus is the One Who carries us.
Jesus is the One Who paid for our healing.

should i now do the same? yep.
could i if He hadn't? nope.

 

[psychomom]

sorry, Jason! didn't mean to derail you. ♥

 

[Jason0047]

It's all good.

 

[longtrekker]

It's been a while since i read up on it. But i believe the northern Kingdom of Israel was destroyed by the Assyrians (?) and the defeated survivors deported to the Assyrian equivalent of the gulags. (The Southern kingdom - Judea carried on for a while)

Anyway the few remnants not scooped up eventually intermarried with outsiders who moved in to fill the vacuum - hence considered half breeds by their southern kinsmen.

 

[longtrekker]

oops - looks like most of what i mentioned is already covered by your informative link.

 

[Ariel82]

oops - looks like most of what i mentioned is already covered by your informative link.

yes but a summary would be nice. those links are long and i doubt many actually click on them.....

I've always wondered this question myself. Why are Samaritans treated so poorly by the Jews?

Someone told me they only believed in the first five books of the Bible and not the rest, but I've never spent much time looking into it.

 

[Timeline]

In John 8:48-49 it is written


48 Then answered the Jews, and said unto him, Say we not well that thou art a Samaritan, and hast a devil?
49 Jesus answered, I have not a devil; but I honour my Father, and ye do dishonour me.

While the Jews said Jesus was a Samaritan, to which Jesus denied he had a devil, yet didn't deny being a Samaritan.

Could Jesus have been denying having a devil on principle since it is written, Deut 4:39 "Know therefore this day, and consider it in thine heart, that the LORD he is God in heaven above, and upon the earth beneath: there is none else."

For quite some time now I have found it interesting that Jesus addresses the comment about not having a devil, but does not address whether or not He is/was a Samaritan. Perhaps it was irrelevant.

I also find it interesting that Jesus says that a kingdom divided against itself cannot stand...and as we all know, Israel, along with Judea was a divided kingdom since Rehoboam and Jeroboam.

 

[Hizikyah]

yes but a summary would be nice. those links are long and i doubt many actually click on them.....

I've always wondered this question myself. Why are Samaritans treated so poorly by the Jews?

Someone told me they only believed in the first five books of the Bible and not the rest, but I've never spent much time looking into it.

The Samaritians had changed parts of Scripture.

One of the "10 Commandments" was changed to "worship on Mt.Gerizim"

I assume so the local religious leaders could feed off of the population locally, as the Pharisees had an iron fist on societal domination in Israyl...

 

[Timeline]

The Samaritians had changed parts of Scripture.

One of the "10 Commandments" was changed to "worship on Mt.Gerizim"

I assume so the local religious leaders could feed off of the population locally, as the Pharisees had an iron fist on societal domination in Israyl...

that's interesting:
Deuteronomy 11:29
“It shall come about, when the Lord your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, that you shall place the blessing on Mount Gerizim and the curse on Mount Ebal.

But I don't really know what to make of it.

 

[Ariel82]

[SUP]Joshua 8
30 [/SUP]Now Joshua built an altar to the Lord God of Israel in Mount Ebal, [SUP]31 [/SUP]as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded the children of Israel, as it is written in the Book of the Law of Moses: “an altar of whole stones over which no man has wielded an iron tool.”[SUP][a][/SUP] And they offered on it burnt offerings to the Lord, and sacrificed peace offerings. [SUP]32 [/SUP]And there, in the presence of the children of Israel, he wrote on the stones a copy of the law of Moses, which he had written. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Then all Israel, with their elders and officers and judges, stood on either side of the ark before the priests, the Levites, who bore the ark of the covenant of the Lord, the stranger as well as he who was born among them. Half of them were in front of Mount Gerizim and half of them in front of Mount Ebal, as Moses the servant of the Lord had commanded before, that they should bless the people of Israel. [SUP]34 [/SUP]And afterward he read all the words of the law, the blessings and the cursings, according to all that is written in the Book of the Law. [SUP]35 [/SUP]There was not a word of all that Moses had commanded which Joshua did not read before all the assembly of Israel, with the women, the little ones, and the strangers who were living among them.


THere are many places in the Old testament where God was worshiped besides Jerusalem. The Law allows people to kill and sacrifice animals to the Lord in various places.

However, we are in the NEW covenant that Jesus spoke of when He said that we will worship God in Spirit and in Truth and no longer need any of those altars: the ones Joseph built or the ones in Jerusalem.

 

[Ariel82]

[SUP]I was thinking about how God has given us so much and how Satan twists it so that people worship the creation instead of the Creator. [/SUP]

For example the snake cult that worshiped the healing staff that Moses used to heal people instead of God who gave the staff power.

Or in this case the altars on the mountains versus God who blessed the people.

 

[Ariel82]

The Samaritians had changed parts of Scripture.

One of the "10 Commandments" was changed to "worship on Mt.Gerizim"

I assume so the local religious leaders could feed off of the population locally, as the Pharisees had an iron fist on societal domination in Israyl...

really? do you have historical documentation of this? Which commandment did they change?

I don't like basing my beliefs on assumptions so if you have any sources you could cite, I'd love to see it.

 

[Hizikyah]

that's interesting:
Deuteronomy 11:29
“It shall come about, when the Lord your God brings you into the land where you are entering to possess it, that you shall place the blessing on Mount Gerizim and the curse on Mount Ebal.

But I don't really know what to make of it.

That verse is not the one I was thinking of, They changed Exodus, they have modern text that say in Exodus "thou shall worship on Mt Gerizim."

Ariel82 showed hat yes Yahweh has placed blessings in a number of places.

 

[Hizikyah]

really? do you have historical documentation of this? Which commandment did they change?

I don't like basing my beliefs on assumptions so if you have any sources you could cite, I'd love to see it.

I don have it but its in the text from that region, I cant confirm myself, but then again I have only read microfilm of text and have never seen any in person. A student of texts studying in Israyl has made note of it.

 

[Ariel82]

it seems viable, but I don't know if that would justify condemning Samaritans. Especially when we read that Joseph set up the precedent to worship on those two mountains.

where in the Bible does it say that people are only to worship in Jerusalem?

 

[Hizikyah]

it seems viable, but I don't know if that would justify condemning Samaritans. Especially when we read that Joseph set up the precedent to worship on those two mountains.

where in the Bible does it say that people are only to worship in Jerusalem?

I dont know how much of that is the reason, but I believe if they were willing to change Scripture then that sheds some light on their actions.

And no not only worship here or there, but come up to Gerizim for Passover, Atomement, etc.

And I can not even say the time period and how widely it was accepted. But I *assume* it was accepted by their people because of the total disconnect between them and Israyl... Again not saying that this is the only reason.