Tired of the Big LIE

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kennethcadwell

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I am leaving this thread because it is full of those who hate, call names, and belittle fellow brothers in Christ for not seeing eye to eye with them. So keep this attitude toward others up, and James will answer you on how you are;


James 1:26

If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
 
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The Lord is saying there in Luke 6:46-48 what a true faith looks like, it is not adding on to salvation if we go by what He says. He says a true faith has action, righteous works of love, and obedience to His teachings.

How can one say they have a true faith in Him if they deny what He said in His own teachings ????

For He is the one that said a true faith has obedience to all of His teachings, I am not the one adding that.....
Again you put words into my mouth...........it comes down to the following...

1. Salvation is by faith thru grace, is a gift and cannot be lost, gained or regained by works<--ME

2. It is based upon faith plus works, can be lost and is maintained or regained by the works that you do<--YOU
 
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eternally-gratefull

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so then Paul fought for righteousness....which you claim is a reward....[SUP]8 [/SUP]Henceforth there is laid up for me a crown of righteousness,......you are saying Paul worked for righteousness....
a crown is a reward, some people will get this crown, some may not. we are not told what the determination is.

but this is not salvation. a crown is not salvation.
 
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I am leaving this thread because it is full of those who hate, call names, and belittle fellow brothers in Christ for not seeing eye to eye with them. So keep this attitude toward others up, and James will answer you on how you are;


James 1:26

If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
WHATEVER....good luck when the real persecution comes...you will be the first to fall away......you accuse of hate, name calling and belittling which has not taken place......!
 

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DCon,
It feels like everything that you type or post to these guys, falls on 'deaf eyeballs', huh? :)
 
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eternally-gratefull

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you are doing the same thing again and avoiding the real issue...I have posted scripture showing we confess our sins and God is faithful and just to forgive us...and cleanse us from all unrighteousness... you say I deny I have sins...God forgives me of my sins...you cannot understand that concept.....I called no one evil....you I call a speaker with forked tongue...are you denying God forgive our sins when we confess??? you having been saved so many years ago and never confessed after that
no, I am not denyng Gods power over our sins, I have seen Gods empower people to overcome sin, it is very rewarding (and experienced it also)

Your the one claiming the law, and sin has no hold over you, and make yourself above others, you excuse what sin you may claim by just cofess, and think God will accept that as payment for that sin, and deny all the other sin you have,.
 

tribesman

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I was going to say I was surprised at this, but really at the end of the day the twist and rejection of the scriptures by those who teach something shows a severe lack of understanding...while embracing things that are totally contrary to the truth.....
I dunno where he get his stuff from, if he's a "self taught" lonely sailor or if he is part of or even run a small group with odd beliefs. Whichever way he still teaches some stuff here which is absurd and makes claims based on resources which are highly to be questioned. All too long he has been treated with silk gloves by some even when the fact is that he is opposing gospel doctrine.
 
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eternally-gratefull

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I don't want to debate on this belief because everyone has free will. Yet, the justification for this doctrine is very much questionable in that many scriptures do not support Once Saved Always Saved Doctrine and goes against the character of God.

There are many places that show one can lose their salvation or become disqualified:

1. Many of Jesus parable gives great examples of this(the branches, the sower of the seed, the talents, the five virgins)
2. The churches in Revelation (lukewarm, turned away from first love) The book of Revelation really
3. The disciples (Peter denied Jesus, Matt 10:33)
4. To the end (Matt 10:22;Acts 14:22,16;Rom 11:22,Rev 2:5,1Tim 4:1,2 Pet 2:20-22,Heb 12:15)
5. Paul (1 Cor 9:27,Phil 3:11-13)

Anyone who has ever heed the call of the Holy Spirit, Confessed, Believed, was baptized, and received the Holy Spirit inside them is or was saved according to scripture. They're name has been written in the book of life, but only those who are victorious until the END will not be blotted out(enter heaven). People can turn their backs on God, just as Satan and the angels did. The Spirit that living in the Saints is perfect, but the flesh is not. We can grieve and quench the Holy Spirit. Sin can not enter heaven there are no exceptions to this, because God doesn't dwell with iniquity or even listens to a person who has iniquity inside them. So if you have sin at the end and did not run your race, as always sin=death. No such thing as reborn or resaved, just repenting (turning from your sins back to God). That's why backsliders aren't rebaptized(or shouldn't be) because they have repented and turned back to God. They just start their race again.

I'm glad you believe in repentance because many OSAS don't. I was told I could murder and because of OSAS I could still go to heaven despite scripture saving I most certainly would not. I attended a Baptist church for years as a child. Not hounding, just showing opposing scripture to the OSAS doctrine.
So if you murder, your not going to heaven,

But if you have a thought of serving a neighbor, but do it for self, and not out of love, (which is a carnal act) it is ok?

I just thought you said sin is sin is sin? and all sin is evil?
 
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I am leaving this thread because it is full of those who hate, call names, and belittle fellow brothers in Christ for not seeing eye to eye with them. So keep this attitude toward others up, and James will answer you on how you are;


James 1:26

If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
You should take your own advice.....you ACCUSE of hate, name calling and belittling

I don't hate anyone and am enjoying the debate....sorry you have no root to endure

Where did I call you a name?

Just stating facts so how is that belittling you? <---Kind of like you do when you make a post that references me or EG or others that disagree with you in like 3rd person or something......without actually naming us?
 
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I dunno where he get his stuff from, if he's a "self taught" lonely sailor or if he is part of or even run a small group with odd beliefs. Whichever way he still teaches some stuff here which is absurd and makes claims based on resources which are highly to be questioned. All too long he has been treated with silk gloves by some even when the fact is that he is opposing gospel doctrine.
I agree and then gets easily offended when you call him on it and tucks tail and runs while accusing us of hating or name calling or belittling.....man I remember this stuff on the playground when I was like 6!
 
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eternally-gratefull

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Well I am sorry you feel that way because it is the Lord Jesus Christ who said you have to do the will of God in your life to get salvation/eternal life, not me. (Matthew 7:21)

The will of God is to believe on his name. And you will have eternal life.

Jesus also said it is the work of God we believe in him.



So that is not a works based Gospel. That is Gods work in our life, thus he gets the credit.

Your placing credit on man, Not only he must belief as a work of his own, but must continue to believe as a work of his own, or he will be lost.
 

tribesman

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I am leaving this thread because it is full of those who hate, call names, and belittle fellow brothers in Christ for not seeing eye to eye with them. So keep this attitude toward others up, and James will answer you on how you are;


James 1:26

If any man among you seem to be religious, and bridleth not his tongue, but deceiveth his own heart, this man's religion is vain.
Are you just not sneaking out cowardly when I call you out on your view re: the Bible canon? You should man up and explain your views for all to see, rather than just escape when your little feelings feel you can't deliver what you ought to do. The accusing is your own doing here at cc, very much so, so hopefully you can mirror yourself and see your own dire need in the scripture quoted.
 
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DCon,
It feels like everything that you type or post to these guys, falls on 'deaf eyeballs', huh? :)
I agree for sure........and then while accusing us of hate, name calling and belittling he refers to us as a brick wall, speaks in third person about us with out naming us, accuses us and then runs and turns us in for something that we have not done....man....if you cannot handle a little heat over what you claim to believe how will you deal with the real persecution that is coming and will come as we get closer to the end of the age..........!
 

tribesman

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I agree and then gets easily offended when you call him on it and tucks tail and runs while accusing us of hating or name calling or belittling.....man I remember this stuff on the playground when I was like 6!
He's not gonna get away with this easily, he should answer to all here what his official positions are at the very least. Else it's nothing but trolling. When one says that books have been taken out of the Bible, which ought to be there (yes, he has said this) then we are into grave stuff that are not really suitable for cc.
 
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He's not gonna get away with this easily, he should answer to all here what his official positions are at the very least. Else it's nothing but trolling. When one says that books have been taken out of the Bible, which ought to be there (yes, he has said this) then we are into grave stuff that are not really suitable for cc.
He is over on grace verse works thread mouthing all of us on this thread and PM'ing behind our backs......im going to light him up with his own quote......
 

tribesman

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He is over on grace verse works thread mouthing all of us on this thread and PM'ing behind our backs......im going to light him up with his own quote......
I just PMd him that he ought to speak up on the Bible canon issue.
 

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Like I said before the will of God is all that the Lord Jesus said, not half, not part, or some but all....
Faith brings salvation; works is the fruit of our faith; good fruit helps advance the Kingdom.

That's all of what Jesus said.