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Ive just been in these conversations before athiests usually bring them to drag the scriptures through the mud.
Thats a typical conversation with them, nothing out of the ordinary.
Its not like these conversations havent come up depending on which one and what angle someone wanted to cast doubt on the scriptures.
That doesnt affect me.
Thats a typical conversation with them, nothing out of the ordinary.
Its not like these conversations havent come up depending on which one and what angle someone wanted to cast doubt on the scriptures.
That doesnt affect me.
The Spirit reminds us of what Jesus taught. In my experience, people can take that to a silly degree when they can say "This is what God is saying" or similar, and say that it must be true because the Spirit table. The house of cards, of course, comes tumbling down when people disagree over what the Spirit has told them what God has said.
The fact of the matter is, the Scriptures are the single source of plenary teaching from the Lord. Yes, Jesus is the true Word, but the Scriptures are also God's word in the sense they are inspired by God, recording the teachings of the Lord, and are intended for our good. Phillip did not teach the eunuch off the top of his head, but taught from the Scriptures. The Scriptures, used properly, do not obscure Jesus, but in fact are THE means by which one can see him fully as Lord and Saviour. Of course, one can be saved without knowing the Scriptures (as were undoubtedly some of the believers in Acts), but all true knowledge of Jesus is Scriptural.
The fact of the matter is, the Scriptures are the single source of plenary teaching from the Lord. Yes, Jesus is the true Word, but the Scriptures are also God's word in the sense they are inspired by God, recording the teachings of the Lord, and are intended for our good. Phillip did not teach the eunuch off the top of his head, but taught from the Scriptures. The Scriptures, used properly, do not obscure Jesus, but in fact are THE means by which one can see him fully as Lord and Saviour. Of course, one can be saved without knowing the Scriptures (as were undoubtedly some of the believers in Acts), but all true knowledge of Jesus is Scriptural.
This is sort of besides the point. I am not chasing 'phantoms' "it is writtens". I base my faith on what is there. And if it is written in Scripture that Jesus spoke "It is written" but there is no clear corresponding reference in the OT, then it is still written in the New Testament that God spoke it as such so it is good enough for me.
Otherwise you begin going down the higher critics trail where reason trumps God's revelation.
Otherwise you begin going down the higher critics trail where reason trumps God's revelation.
Unless the written word is illuminated by the Holy Spirit it has no meaning to the carnel mind. Those who twist the word to their own understanding is what Phil was frustrated about in the OP. Allowing the Holy Spirit to lead us through scripture is where truth is found.
Before I received the Holy Spirit the bible made little sense to me. But afterward the bible became the word of God as the Holy Spirit opened my eyes and heart to its truth.
Christ be glorified forever.
Before I received the Holy Spirit the bible made little sense to me. But afterward the bible became the word of God as the Holy Spirit opened my eyes and heart to its truth.
Christ be glorified forever.
"Amen, brother!"
Don't ever let the pride of others regarding their seminary education get in the way of your good, honest, personal, study of the Bible. Nothing will teach you more than "just you and your Bible and the Holy Spirit"...
I am not criticizing anyone for having a seminary education - there is not necessarily anything wrong with that. And, not all who have a seminary education are "full of pride"; however, "there be many who are"...
For many, having a seminary education seems to come with a built-in self-made "I-am-superior-to-you" ( "because of my seminary education" ) attitude and way of thinking...
Don't ever let the pride of others regarding their seminary education get in the way of your good, honest, personal, study of the Bible. Nothing will teach you more than "just you and your Bible and the Holy Spirit"...
I am not criticizing anyone for having a seminary education - there is not necessarily anything wrong with that. And, not all who have a seminary education are "full of pride"; however, "there be many who are"...
For many, having a seminary education seems to come with a built-in self-made "I-am-superior-to-you" ( "because of my seminary education" ) attitude and way of thinking...
The fact is, seminary gave me the tools and training to read the Bible in serious way. It educated my mind as well as my heart and soul.
I have tried very hard to post the Word of God in all the posts I make, including using the Greek and occasionally the Hebrew, because the meanings are not clear, or distorted in English.
But really it is not the Word of God that is really distorted, but the way people misuse it, even in English. Learning hermeneutics was one of the best things that happened to me in my Seminary education, because it helped me to see when the Word was being used biblically and when it was being twisted to support doctrine, rather than doctrine coming out of the Word.
I consider it the height of ignorance to blame the problems in this forum on people who have dedicated at least 3 years of full time study of the Bible, and how to minister to people.
The problem with this forum is that people need more education, to truly divide the Word of God correctly, not less!
(Not referring to the OP here, Phil!)
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That one is probably a little more difficult to see there, for example,
2 Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Ti 2: 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2 Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
The same babblings is spoken of oppositions of science falsely so called,
so both of these
1 Ti 6:20-21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1 Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
Says a fool says in his heart there is no God, and it says not to answer a fool and then again, to "answer a fool" but I think discernment is called for between Prov 26:4, & 5 & even Prov 26:12.
2 Ti 2:16 But shun profane and vain babblings: for they will increase unto more ungodliness.
2 Ti 2: 17 And their word will eat as doth a canker: of whom is Hymenaeus and Philetus;
2 Ti 2:18 Who concerning the truth have erred, saying that the resurrection is past already; and overthrow the faith of some.
The same babblings is spoken of oppositions of science falsely so called,
so both of these
1 Ti 6:20-21 O Timothy, keep that which is committed to thy trust, avoiding profane and vain babblings, and oppositions of science falsely so called:
1 Ti 6:21 Which some professing have erred concerning the faith. Grace be with thee. Amen.
Says a fool says in his heart there is no God, and it says not to answer a fool and then again, to "answer a fool" but I think discernment is called for between Prov 26:4, & 5 & even Prov 26:12.
The church does have a problem. It is often not applying a proper relationship towards each other, based on honesty, emotional openness and love. I have found many who admit they are hurt and lonely, but find even in the church no way to open up and set things right within. Everyone can learn theology, moralising, obeying rules and condemning law breakers but that does not make you a follower of Jesus. Jesus is the true optimist. He knows the love he planted, his words, will bear fruit in the Kingdom of God and has done so for centuries. You talk so often as if our King did not know what he was doing and we have to set things right. The parable of the weeds planted by the enemy should teach you enough. Live a life worthy of our King, love and meet needs, forgive, and praise the good you see.
The heart is deceitful and desperately self deluding. It justifies ourselves so easily, saying "You are right, and "they" are the deceived driven by the enemy." Think on this God used Judas, the betrayer, Satan the fallen angel for his own purposes. So by being who you are in the Lord you shine a light more brightly than any can put out. Jesus knew what people would say and do, and wanted his deciples to wait until they understood before they wrote it down. We want to rush so quickly to things that take a lifetime to see a part of. So I council patience, peace, understanding, listening and waiting for the Lord to inspire you words of rebuke and encouragement. For then you will know your King, literally.....
The heart is deceitful and desperately self deluding. It justifies ourselves so easily, saying "You are right, and "they" are the deceived driven by the enemy." Think on this God used Judas, the betrayer, Satan the fallen angel for his own purposes. So by being who you are in the Lord you shine a light more brightly than any can put out. Jesus knew what people would say and do, and wanted his deciples to wait until they understood before they wrote it down. We want to rush so quickly to things that take a lifetime to see a part of. So I council patience, peace, understanding, listening and waiting for the Lord to inspire you words of rebuke and encouragement. For then you will know your King, literally.....