The curse, from dust to ashes

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In Jeremiah 17:5 we read “Thus saith the Lord; Cursed be the man that trusteth in man, and maketh flesh his strength, and whose heart departeth from the Lord.” In scripture we are shown a curse several times, and also in many different ways. I would like to explore this curse that was issued from the beginning and would run even unto the time when there shall be no more curse. This thread is a little long, and is a bit deep spiritually, but some may find it interesting as I did when putting it together.

I want to begin this study at the beginning with
man.
Genesis 2:7 “And the Lord God formed man of the dust of the ground, and breathed into his nostrils the breath of life; and man became a living soul.” What I want you to notice here is the word “dust” strongs # H6083 The KJV translates Strongs H6083 in the following manner: dust (93x), earth (7x), powder (3x), rubbish (2x), ashes (2x), morter (2x), ground (1x).

Make note of those words because we will be making some connections later with some of those words as we go along. Also by scripture we know in
Genesis 2:19 “And out of the ground the Lord God formed every beast of the field, and every fowl of the air;…” So by scripture we know man and beast were formed out of the ground.

Now onto the curse…Genesis 3:14-15 “And the Lord God said unto the
serpent, Because thou hast done this, thou art cursed above all cattle, and above every beast of the field; upon thy belly shalt thou go, and dust shalt thou eat all the days of thy life:
[SUP]15 [/SUP]And I will put enmity between thee and the woman, and between thy seed and her seed; it shall bruise thy head, and thou shalt bruise his heel.”


First notice the curse, and then notice what the serpent was to eat (
dust) which is what man was also formed of (dust of the ground) Also note the “enmity” between the 2 seeds, which is the enmity between the mind of flesh and Spirit. (man also is flesh)
Genesis 6:3 “And the Lord said, My spirit shall not always strive with man, for that he also is flesh: yet his days shall be an hundred and twenty years.”

And
man who is of his father the devil desires the lusts of the flesh (flesh and blood is formed from the dust) Serpents seed desires the same
John 8:44 “Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do.” So now let’s see another sign of this curse but shown with man (Adam) in Genesis 3:17 “And unto Adam he said, Because thou hast hearkened unto the voice of thy wife, and hast eaten of the tree, of which I commanded thee, saying, Thou shalt not eat of it: cursed is the ground for thy sake; in sorrow shalt thou eat of it all the days of thy life;” And again remember man was formed from the dust of the ground.

Now onto another similitude of the curse shown in the Exodus story while Moses was in the mount the children of Israel corrupted themselves when they took the gold from their ears and made a molten
calf.

And notice what Moses does with the golden calf in Deuteronomy 9:21 “And I took your sin, the calf which ye had made, and burnt it with fire, and stamped it, and ground it very small, even until it was as small as dust: and I cast the dust thereof into the brook that descended out of the mount.”

The word
dust there is the same word as we saw above in man being formed from the dust of the ground (dust H6083).

And now here is what Moses later said of the “cursed thing” in Deuteronomy 7:25-26 “The graven images of their gods shall ye burn with fire: thou shalt not desire the silver or gold that is on them, nor take it unto thee, lest thou be snared therin: for it is an abomination to the Lord thy God. [SUP]26 [/SUP]Neither shalt thou bring an abomination into thine house, lest thou be a cursed thing like it: but thou shalt utterly detest it, and thou shalt utterly abhor it; for it is a cursed thing.” So coveting the cursed thing could make you a cursed thing. Yikes!

Ok, now another sign of the cursed thing making one accursed in
Joshua 6:18 “And ye, in any wise keep yourselves from the accursed thing, lest ye make yourselves accursed, when ye take of the accursed thing, and make the camp of Israel a curse, and trouble it.” And then again we see a similitude of the accursed thing in Joshua 7:21 “When I saw among the spoils a goodly Babylonish garment, and two hundred shekels of silver, and a wedge of gold of fifty shekels weight, then I coveted them, and took them; and, behold, they are hid in the earth in the midst of my tent, and the silver under it.”

And again we see the judgement in Joshua 7:24-25 “And Joshua, and all Israel with him, took Achan the son of Zerah, and the silver, and the garment, and the wedge of gold, and his sons, and his daughters, and his oxen, and his asses, and his sheep, and his tent, and all that he had: and they brought them unto the valley of Achor.
[SUP]25 [/SUP]And Joshua said, Why hast thou troubled us? the Lord shall trouble thee this day. And all Israel stoned him with stones,
and burned them with fire, after they had stoned them with stones.”


So again like with Moses we see the judgment by
fire, and what is left after a fire? That’s right, ashes; and that is one of the key words we saw above in the word dust. Kinda like ashes to ashes dust to dust huh?
J Alright we’re picking up some good key words here in the cursed thing like “ABOMINATION” and “Babylonish”…ya’ll know where I’m going with this don’t cha? But not yet!


First let’s look at another sign in the
ashes shown in the burning of the red heifer for purification of sin in Numbers 19:17 “And for an unclean person they shall take of the ashes of the burnt heifer of purification for sin, and running water shall be put thereto in a vessel:” Notice the adding of water there, as did with Moses and the ashes of the molten calf mixed in with the waters that descended from the mount.


This sign is also shown again in the
bitter waters that brings forth the curse, when a wife was thought to have slept with another man and played the “Harlot”(clue…wink, wink). And so a test was given by the Priest when there were no witnesses to the act of fornication. This test was given by making her to drink the bitter waters. Notice what was added to the holy waters in Numbers 5:17 “And the priest shall take holy water in an earthen vessel; and of the dust that is in the floor of the tabernacle the priest shall take, and put it into the water:”

And there’s the sign again of the curse in eating the “
dust”. (man = flesh and blood formed from the dust of the ground). By the way Adam also means “earthy, red.”

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So let’s move on to another similitude of the curse in the vessels of Baal in 2 Kings chapter 23. We see the same sign of judgment in verse 4 “ and he burned them without Jerusalem in the fields of Kidron, and carried the ashes of them unto Bethel.” The idolatrous priests were put down along with the house of the Sodomites…. and again in verse 6 notice the judgmentAnd he brought out the grove from the house of the Lord, without Jerusalem, unto the brook Kidron, and burned it at the brook Kidron, and stamped it small to powder, and cast the powder thereof upon the graves of the children of the people.” And there’s the connection in the words again “powderH6083 as shown in the beginning of the study in “dustH6083.

And again in verse 12 the judgment “And the altars that were on the top of the upper chamber of Ahaz, which the kings of Judah had made, and the altars which Manasseh had made in the two courts of the house of the Lord, did the king beat down, and brake them down from thence, and cast the
dust H6083 of them into the brook Kidron.” And here again in verse 15
[SUP][/SUP]Moreover the altar that was at Bethel, and the high place which Jeroboam the son of Nebat, who made Israel to sin, had made, both that altar and the high place he brake down, and burned the high place, and stamped it small to powder,H6083 and burned the grove.”


So we see a repetition and pattern shown in different ways concerning this curse which brings forth judgment. The Lord even spoke of a
curse in the flying roll, which was to come upon the whole earth in Zechariah 5:3-4 “Then said he unto me, This is the curse that goeth forth over the face of the whole earth: for every one that stealeth shall be cut off as on this side according to it; and every one that sweareth shall be cut off as on that side according to it.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]I will bring it forth, saith the Lord of hosts, and it shall enter into the house of the thief, and into the house of him that sweareth falsely by my name: and it shall remain in the midst of his house, and shall consume it with the timber thereof and the stones thereof.”


This flying roll may have contained the judgments determined by God, which was also shown in Jeremiah and Ezekiel, and a little book is also shown in Revelation…sweet in the mouth,
bitter in the belly.


Those who steal, steal God’s words and
corrupt them, and those swear falsely by the Lords name are the HYPOCRITES in religion, and we know this kind of leaven can leaven the whole lump. And again, this is much like the mixing of the holy water with the dust, or flesh and blood of man. This I also believe symbolizes the doctrines and traditions of carnally minded men mixing into the living waters, which in turn make for bitter waters, and bring forth a curse. This was also shown in the test for the unfaithful woman. (Harlot)


And also in Zechariah 5:11
wickedness is shown as a woman who would be set upon her own base into the land of Shinar, which I believe also signifies “Mystery, Babylon The Great, The Mother Of Harlots And Abominations Of The Earth.” And this Mother of Harlots is drunk on blood as shown in
Revelation 17:6 “And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration.”

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And also the Mother of Harlot sits on many waters as seen in Revelation 17… I will shew unto thee the judgment of the great whore that sitteth upon many waters:”( As she also sits on a scarlet beast)

And the
whole earth is made drunk with her wine of fornication. So by that association of partaking in her sins we see they have also become the accursed thing, which we saw in the book of Joshua. And also notice the kings of the earth are to burn her with fire and also eat her flesh in verse 16 “these shall hate the whore, and shall make her desolate and naked, and shall eat her flesh, and burn her with fire.”


And again the judgment here in
Revelation 18:8 “Therefore shall her plagues come in one day, death, and mourning, and famine; and she shall be utterly burned with fire: for strong is the Lord God who judgeth her.

So we have all the ingredients that were shown in the past….the
dust =(flesh and blood) the ashes (burned with fire) and also the waters (she sits on many waters). And so the whore is like the woman “wickedness” we saw in Zechariah contained in a vessel and passed around for the whole world to drink, much like the golden cup of Babylon.


Jeremiah 51:7Babylon hath been a golden cup in the Lord's hand, that made all the earth drunken: the nations have drunken of her wine; therefore the nations are mad.” So the whole world has become accursed by her wine, and shall also suffer the same consummation by fire. 2 Peter 3:7 “But the heavens and the earth, which are now, by the same word are kept in store, reserved unto fire against the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.”

And again the return to
ashesMalachi 4:1-3 “For, behold, the day cometh, that shall burn as an oven; and all the proud, yea, and all that do wickedly, shall be stubble: and the day that cometh shall burn them up, saith the Lord of hosts, that it shall leave them neither root nor branch.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]But unto you that fear my name shall the Sun of righteousness arise with healing in his wings; and ye shall go forth, and grow up as calves of the stall.

[SUP]3 [/SUP]And ye shall tread down the wicked; for they shall be ashes under the soles of your feet in the day that I shall do this, saith the Lord of hosts.”

Revelation 22:3 “And there shall be no more curse: but the throne of God and of the Lamb shall be in it; and his servants shall serve him:”

The end :)
 
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It is pretty awesome how you can pull all these things from the various pictures throughout scriptures and into the end picture there.

What of the ground the thorns (more specifically) and being nigh to the cursing in respects to the same as it speaks of it in the NT?

You have anything on that comparison there you could add?
 
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It is pretty awesome how you can pull all these things from the various pictures throughout scriptures and into the end picture there.

What of the ground the thorns (more specifically) and being nigh to the cursing in respects to the same as it speaks of it in the NT?

You have anything on that comparison there you could add?
I had thought about a lot of other verses which would symbolize the same, but then I thought it's a long enough thread as it is, better not make a short story of it. LOL But it's hard to show those deep things without showing it over and over again to get people to realize there is a message in there somewhere. LOL :)
 
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I had thought about a lot of other verses which would symbolize the same, but then I thought it's a long enough thread as it is, better not make a short story of it. LOL But it's hard to show those deep things without showing it over and over again to get people to realize there is a message in there somewhere. LOL :)

Thats true.

Well, there is so many awesome things in the scriptures, in all my years I never run out of finding something pretty cool to consider I guess.

Anyway, I get it.

I need to shorten it up a bit myself.

And you know what? I oftentimes dont care if I get or miss someone elses message thats not so important to me because some of those can be pretty warped anyway. And because people come in from various angles and you just never know what you are getting all the time. Its just how it is.

However, in something like this I might catch a cool comparison (and thats good enough for me) lol
 
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Thats true.

Well, there is so many awesome things in the scriptures, in all my years I never run out of finding something pretty cool to consider I guess.

Anyway, I get it.

I need to shorten it up a bit myself.

And you know what? I oftentimes dont care if I get or miss someone elses message thats not so important to me because some of those can be pretty warped anyway. And because people come in from various angles and you just never know what you are getting all the time. Its just how it is.

However, in something like this I might catch a cool comparison (and thats good enough for me) lol
Yeah, I see a lot of cool things like that in scripture and I write them down, and then after a few pages I think, "who is going to get this?" LOL So I don't post them. I have several writings that will probably never get posted for that reason. LOL
 
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Not sure how I missed this one, I guess because I didn’t want to see it as part of the same similitude and curse. But Jesus was also a sign of the curse, because he was made a curse for us.

Galatians 3:13 Christ hath redeemed us from the curse of the law, being made a curse for us: for it is written, Cursed is every one that hangeth on a tree:”

Let’s look for all the ingredients we saw in the other examples. For instance the Holy water represents the Living waters of God’s Word, and the
dust represents the flesh= Word made flesh.
John 1:14 “And the Word was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth.”

You also see that similitude with water and
blood in
John 19:34 “But one of the soldiers with a spear pierced his side, and forthwith came there out blood and water.”

So Jesus taking upon
our sins became the curse for us, being made in the likeness of sinful flesh.
Romans 8:3 “For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh:”

So again we see the similitude of Holy waters mixed with the
dust (flesh and blood formed from dust) And also Jesus being made a curse for us. But what about the sign of the fire and the eating of the flesh, and the bitterness? This is also shown as well in scripture, and in the passover lamb….


Exodus 12:5-8 “
Your lamb shall be without blemish, a male of the first year: ye shall take it out from the sheep, or from the goats:[SUP]6 [/SUP]And ye shall keep it up until the fourteenth day of the same month: and the whole assembly of the congregation of Israel shall
kill it in the evening.

[SUP]7 [/SUP]And they shall take of the blood, and strike it on the two side posts and on the upper door post of the houses, wherein they shall eat it.[SUP]8 [/SUP]And they shall eat the flesh in that night, roast with fire, and unleavened bread; and with bitter herbs they shall eat it.”

There it is, many of the elements we saw in the other similitudes. I can’t believe I missed this big one in my opening thread, but I guess I didn’t want to see Jesus as being the
Curse, but He was. He was made the Curse for us. Greater love indeed!
 
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This flying roll may have contained the judgments determined by God, which was also shown in Jeremiah and Ezekiel, and a little book is also shown in Revelation…sweet in the mouth, bitter in the belly.
I was actually looking at this just this past week, in regards to this passage in Rev:

Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Along with the passages in Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Numbers 5 and the jealousy curse.

Good studying InSpiritInTruth, actually some things confirmed, and some other things to look into.

Thank you for sharing this.
 
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I was actually looking at this just this past week, in regards to this passage in Rev:

Revelation 10:9 And I went unto the angel, and said unto him, Give me the little book. And he said unto me, Take it, and eat it up; and it shall make thy belly bitter, but it shall be in thy mouth sweet as honey.

Along with the passages in Jeremiah, Ezekiel and Numbers 5 and the jealousy curse.

Good studying InSpiritInTruth, actually some things confirmed, and some other things to look into.

Thank you for sharing this.
Thank you, and always happy to share. God bless