The Sons of God and the Nephilim (Genesis 6:1-4)

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Tintin

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When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. Then the LORD said, “My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.

GENESIS 6:1-4 (5-8 must also be read for context, so...)

The Lord saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the sight of the Lord.


I've heard/read four views concerning the 'sons of God' in this most mysterious of Bible passages.

The sons of God:
1. Refers specifically to 'fallen' angels.
2. Represents the 'godly' descendants of Seth, one of Adam's sons.
3. Were kings or rulers who were described as 'gods'.
4. Were human beings possessed by demonic fallen angels.

Ever since my childhood, I've held to the first option being true. But in the past few years, I've reconsidered my position. I was possibly more influenced by Greek mythology than what the text truly said. The second option doesn't seem viable in my opinion, nor the other two, although I did consider them for a time. I'm going to propose a fifth option.

Taking into consideration the preceding chapters and the verses following Genesis 6:1-4:

5. a) We know Adam and Eve had many children (both sons and daughters) following the births of Cain, Abel (deceased) and later, Seth. Cain, after killing his brother, Abel, greatly feared God, while Seth followed in His ways. The two patriarchs would've passed their beliefs/attitudes/values onto their children eg. Enoch, Enosh). As numbers increased, some of Adam's children fell away from God (not just Cain's bloodline). It's very likely the different families moved away (Cain before all others) and that they later encountered each other in their travels/trade. During this time, the men of God fell for the ungodly women and married them (remember Sethites weren't all godly and all Cainites weren't evil). Therefore, the sons of God turned from God.

b) 'Nephilim' is an untranslated word meaning 'fallen ones'. This probably means nothing more than those people who followed their own hearts rather than God's. In one word: sinners - people who only did what was right in their own eyes. A pre-Flood example is the proud and violent Lamech (not Noah's father) who was the first to take two wives (Genesis 4:17-24 - Adah and Zilla), not one as God had commanded. Post-Flood examples abound: descendants of Shem, Ham and Japheth (Noah's sons) and their wives, made names for themselves through their tyrannical rules or ferocious military exploits and were recognised as great heroes. As we can see from history, many ancient cultures made religions of violence and war. Finally, possibly 'heroes' and 'warriors of renown' refer to early post-Flood descendants who lived considerably longer lives than their children and could be seen as 'great' for that reason alone.

Thoughts?
 

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I still believe it was the offspring of the fallen angels. Just my thoughts. What were the angels kicked out for?
 

oldhermit

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When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. Then the LORD said, “My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.

GENESIS 6:1-4 (5-8 must also be read for context, so...)

The Lord saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the sight of the Lord.


I've heard/read four views concerning the 'sons of God' in this most mysterious of Bible passages.

The sons of God:
1. Refers specifically to 'fallen' angels.
2. Represents the 'godly' descendants of Seth, one of Adam's sons.
3. Were kings or rulers who were described as 'gods'.
4. Were human beings possessed by demonic fallen angels.

Ever since my childhood, I've held to the first option being true. But in the past few years, I've reconsidered my position. I was possibly more influenced by Greek mythology than what the text truly said. The second option doesn't seem viable in my opinion, nor the other two, although I did consider them for a time. I'm going to propose a fifth option.

Taking into consideration the preceding chapters and the verses following Genesis 6:1-4:

5. a) We know Adam and Eve had many children (both sons and daughters) following the births of Cain, Abel (deceased) and later, Seth. Cain, after killing his brother, Abel, greatly feared God, while Seth followed in His ways. The two patriarchs would've passed their beliefs/attitudes/values onto their children eg. Enoch, Enosh). As numbers increased, some of Adam's children fell away from God (not just Cain's bloodline). It's very likely the different families moved away (Cain before all others) and that they later encountered each other in their travels/trade. During this time, the men of God fell for the ungodly women and married them (remember Sethites weren't all godly and all Cainites weren't evil). Therefore, the sons of God turned from God.

b) 'Nephilim' is an untranslated word meaning 'fallen ones'. This probably means nothing more than those people who followed their own hearts rather than God's. In one word: sinners - people who only did what was right in their own eyes. A pre-Flood example is the proud and violent Lamech (not Noah's father) who was the first to take two wives (Genesis 4:17-24 - Adah and Zilla), not one as God had commanded. Post-Flood examples abound: descendants of Shem, Ham and Japheth (Noah's sons) and their wives, made names for themselves through their tyrannical rules or ferocious military exploits and were recognised as great heroes. As we can see from history, many ancient cultures made religions of violence and war. Finally, possibly 'heroes' and 'warriors of renown' refer to early post-Flood descendants who lived considerably longer lives than their children and could be seen as 'great' for that reason alone.

Thoughts?
I agree............
 
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How does that fit with this verse?

Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
 
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In the O.T. the Sons of God is used just a few times and every place used refers unto the anges of God. It is not until the New Testament that the reality of the SON of GOD and sons of God is applied unto humans.....There is a play on the words found within your cited text and I will make two points...

1. The Sons of God came unto the DAUGHTERS of ADAM
2. In Jude the angels which left their first estate are compared to S and G and GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH......

I will also add.........The giants were wiped out in the flood......how did they get here during the time of David?

Take it as you will.....I to have heard all of the addages and yet the Jude text cannot be ignored and the comparison cannot be ignored nor can the play on words.....

When you study Noah you will find that the words used to describe him can be translated pure in a forensic sense!

Just some points to ponder...we cannot forget there is a heavenly FORM and a fallen EARTHLY FORM........!

The angels of God when manifest on the planet appeared as MEN!
 

oldhermit

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How does that fit with this verse?

Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
It fits very well with this one.

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." Matt 22:30
 
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It fits very well with this one.

"For in the resurrection they neither marry nor are given in marriage, but are like angels in heaven." Matt 22:30
Well that got really tall some how lol.
 
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Tintin

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How does that fit with this verse?

Num 13:33 And there we saw the giants, the sons of Anak, which come of the giants: and we were in our own sight as grasshoppers, and so we were in their sight.
Those spies of Joshua's didn't respond in good faith, they didn't trust God. Remember what happened to them as a consequence of instilling fear and mistrust in God's people? They were executed. It's very likely that the sons of Anak were large and violent (but they were still people, not fallen angel offspring) and this could've brought to mind talk of giants from age past. Remember God's people could easily have been influenced by pagan mythologies from their neighbours (and especially their time as slaves in Egypt).
 
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Those spies of Joshua's didn't respond in good faith, they didn't trust God. Remember what happened to them as a consequence of instilling fear and mistrust in God's people? They were executed. It's very likely that the sons of Anak were large and violent (but they were still people, not fallen angel offspring) and this could've brought to mind talk of giants from age past. Remember God's people could easily have been influenced by pagan mythologies from their neighbours (and especially their time as slaves in Egypt).
Or the text means exactly what was written....Og's bedstand was 12 ft or more long, Goliath was 9-12 foot tall.......
 
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Tintin

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Or the text means exactly what was written....Og's bedstand was 12 ft or more long, Goliath was 9-12 foot tall.......
Yes, I truly believe that they Og and Goliath etc. were that tall. I just don't believe they had to be the offspring of fallen angels to achieve that height. There are some people who are close to that height today, but I believe they're 100% human.
 
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Yes, I truly believe that they Og and Goliath etc. were that tall. I just don't believe they had to be the offspring of fallen angels to achieve that height. There are some people who are close to that height today, but I believe they're 100% human.
Let me ask you a question......Out of all of the exceptionally tall men today....how many of them walk without canes and or difficulties......yet the men of old were warriors......able to fight battles, carry weapons that were extrememly heavy.....how many of the tall men today have 6 fingers and toes on each hand and foot? And how do you deal with the comparison made in JUDE and the sexual cannotation found within the comparison?
 
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Were the “Sons of God” Angels?
This question is often raised initially as an objection to the idea that Nephilim giants ever even existed. the Hebrew words for the “sons of God” is B’nai Ha Elohim, which would means these are Heavenly beings, giving credence to them being offspring of fallen angels (the term Elohim is literally the plural of ‘god’). And then we see the children of these sons of God and daughters of men were “mighty men” and of “renown.” They were also “giants.” Something in their genetics made them super-sized people. And it was their fallen angelic parentage.
But again, we must keep searching the Bible to make certain of meaning. The Bible is self-confirming and one passage of Scripture can always be confirmed by another. We see the term “sons of God” next used in the book of Job. Job chapter 1 reads: “Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them. And the LORD said unto Satan, Whence comest thou? Then Satan answered the LORD, and said, From going to and fro in the earth, and from walking up and down in it.” (Job 1:6-7)
The scene being described, where God is literally meeting with the sons of Go, took place in Heaven. This is a Divine Council that God holds where He chooses to meet with both good and evil angels to discuss affairs of the world (for more examples of these assemblies see 1 Kings 22 and Psalm 82).
Another Divine Council is called in Job Chapter 2. Verse 1 states: “Again there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them to present himself before the LORD.”

Where wast thou when I laid the foundations of the earth? declare, if thou hast understanding. Who hath laid the measures thereof, if thou knowest? or who hath stretched the line upon it? Whereupon are the foundations thereof fastened? or who laid the corner stone thereof; When the morning stars sang together, and all the sons of God shouted for joy? — Job 38:4-7




There are some very tall people living even today that do not have health problems or need canes to walk, but they are very rarely talked about and one would have to do a search and study to see them...........
 
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My thoughts are these: If my version is right, it makes me no better a christian, & if my version is wrong, it makes me no worse.

Since it does nothing positively spiritual for me, I don't care. I really can't positively prove any of them, so I'm not going to waste my time on it.
 
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When people began to multiply on the face of the ground, and daughters were born to them, the sons of God saw that they were fair; and they took wives for themselves of all that they chose. Then the LORD said, “My spirit shall not abide in mortals forever, for they are flesh; their days shall be one hundred twenty years.” The Nephilim were on the earth in those days—and also afterward—when the sons of God went in to the daughters of humans, who bore children to them. These were the heroes that were of old, warriors of renown.

GENESIS 6:1-4 (5-8 must also be read for context, so...)

The Lord saw that the wickedness of humankind was great in the earth, and that every inclination of the thoughts of their hearts was only evil continually. And the Lord was sorry that he had made humankind on the earth, and it grieved him to his heart. So the Lord said, “I will blot out from the earth the human beings I have created—people together with animals and creeping things and birds of the air, for I am sorry that I have made them.” But Noah found favor in the sight of the Lord.


I've heard/read four views concerning the 'sons of God' in this most mysterious of Bible passages.

The sons of God:
1. Refers specifically to 'fallen' angels.
2. Represents the 'godly' descendants of Seth, one of Adam's sons.
3. Were kings or rulers who were described as 'gods'.
4. Were human beings possessed by demonic fallen angels.

Ever since my childhood, I've held to the first option being true. But in the past few years, I've reconsidered my position. I was possibly more influenced by Greek mythology than what the text truly said. The second option doesn't seem viable in my opinion, nor the other two, although I did consider them for a time. I'm going to propose a fifth option.

Taking into consideration the preceding chapters and the verses following Genesis 6:1-4:

5. a) We know Adam and Eve had many children (both sons and daughters) following the births of Cain, Abel (deceased) and later, Seth. Cain, after killing his brother, Abel, greatly feared God, while Seth followed in His ways. The two patriarchs would've passed their beliefs/attitudes/values onto their children eg. Enoch, Enosh). As numbers increased, some of Adam's children fell away from God (not just Cain's bloodline). It's very likely the different families moved away (Cain before all others) and that they later encountered each other in their travels/trade. During this time, the men of God fell for the ungodly women and married them (remember Sethites weren't all godly and all Cainites weren't evil). Therefore, the sons of God turned from God.

b) 'Nephilim' is an untranslated word meaning 'fallen ones'. This probably means nothing more than those people who followed their own hearts rather than God's. In one word: sinners - people who only did what was right in their own eyes. A pre-Flood example is the proud and violent Lamech (not Noah's father) who was the first to take two wives (Genesis 4:17-24 - Adah and Zilla), not one as God had commanded. Post-Flood examples abound: descendants of Shem, Ham and Japheth (Noah's sons) and their wives, made names for themselves through their tyrannical rules or ferocious military exploits and were recognised as great heroes. As we can see from history, many ancient cultures made religions of violence and war. Finally, possibly 'heroes' and 'warriors of renown' refer to early post-Flood descendants who lived considerably longer lives than their children and could be seen as 'great' for that reason alone.

Thoughts?
That might explain my big question what the word. Strong's says it means giants or fellers. I've spent years (on and off again) trying to imagine what a feller is. Truthfully, as of the 1950s in all ancient writings preserved, the word has only been used four times -- twice in the Bible and twice elsewhere. I consider that passage one of those, "I'll never know" passages.
 
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Tintin

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My thoughts are these: If my version is right, it makes me no better a christian, & if my version is wrong, it makes me no worse.

Since it does nothing positively spiritual for me, I don't care. I really can't positively prove any of them, so I'm not going to waste my time on it.
This isn't a matter of pride for me, it's just something I'm interested in. I certainly don't see it as a point of salvation.
 
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Job 1:6

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


I don't really see any room for interpretation .... but whhhhatever.
 
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Tintin

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In the O.T. the Sons of God is used just a few times and every place used refers unto the anges of God. It is not until the New Testament that the reality of the SON of GOD and sons of God is applied unto humans.....There is a play on the words found within your cited text and I will make two points...

1. The Sons of God came unto the DAUGHTERS of ADAM
2. In Jude the angels which left their first estate are compared to S and G and GOING AFTER STRANGE FLESH......

I will also add.........The giants were wiped out in the flood......how did they get here during the time of David?

Take it as you will.....I to have heard all of the addages and yet the Jude text cannot be ignored and the comparison cannot be ignored nor can the play on words.....

When you study Noah you will find that the words used to describe him can be translated pure in a forensic sense!

Just some points to ponder...we cannot forget there is a heavenly FORM and a fallen EARTHLY FORM........!

The angels of God when manifest on the planet appeared as MEN!
Hi brother. I'm very familiar with the passages, including 1 Jude 6-7 and 2 Peter 2:4-5. I used to believe as you do.

1. Daughters of Adam (the one who Fell)
2. Angels will be judged by a righteous God and Sodom and Gomorrah will be judged by a righteous God for their sins. It's a comparison of those who suffer the punishment of eternal fire. I believe that's what it's saying.

As for the latter, it sounds like it's referring to when Satan was kicked out of Heaven, along with 'his' angels and then talks about the purging God performs with the Great Flood, but saving Noah, and then the reference to the cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, which are no more. But I agree, the odd thing is that passage does seem to make more sense when it's read in relation to Genesis 6 as referring to fallen angels. It's something to ponder.

Early Genesis doesn't mentioned giants, but 'fallen ones'. And yes, I do agree that angels appeared on the earth as men.
Hmm...
 
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Tintin

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Let me ask you a question......Out of all of the exceptionally tall men today....how many of them walk without canes and or difficulties......yet the men of old were warriors......able to fight battles, carry weapons that were extrememly heavy.....how many of the tall men today have 6 fingers and toes on each hand and foot? And how do you deal with the comparison made in JUDE and the sexual cannotation found within the comparison?
You make a good point there. I honestly don't know. I did have a neighbour, many years ago, who had 6 fingers on each hand, but 5 toes on each foot and he certainly wasn't Nephilim (he had the extra thumbs surgically removed and was fine). I don't discredit the idea entirely (although I do mostly), but you really do have to be discerning with this topic. There are plenty of well-meaning, but confused Christians/non-Christians who post photos of giant skeletons from movie sets or giant skeletons that are just foreshortened photos. Also, there are some claims that people make about archaeological findings of 20 metre high people or more, which is frankly ridiculous! So there are some real 'gems' amongst the community. I don't believe there's some worldwide conspiracy to hush up all of this. The only conspiracy theory I believe is truth: that most people don't realise the Enemy exists and that they're doing his will (and that by proxy, Christianity is the one true faith).
 
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Tintin

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Job 1:6

Now there was a day when the sons of God came to present themselves before the LORD, and Satan came also among them.


I don't really see any room for interpretation .... but whhhhatever.
Gah. I honestly don't know what to think. I know we shouldn't use poetic language to interpret historical narratives (ala Genesis 1-11) but seriously, I don't think there's any doubts that the sons of God in Job are angels. Especially since they're mentioned elsewhere as watching God create the universe (Psalms, I think). Maybe I'm no closer to discovering what this Genesis 6 passage means.