Seeking the honor of men

[InSpiritInTruth]

Jesus said in John 5:30-32 “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.[SUP]31 [/SUP]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.[SUP]32 [/SUP]There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.”

And again note what Jesus says here in verse [SUP]41 [/SUP]I receive not honor from men.[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only?”

These words can be applied to us as well. We should not seek our own will but the Fathers; just as we should not bear witness of ourselves, and neither should we be worried about being honored by men. But we should seek the honor that only comes from God first and foremost.

Look at all the preachers these days who seek to be honored by the people by telling the people what they want to hear, and not according to the words and will of God. They tell the people what they want to hear because it fills the pews of their churches, and it also fills the bank accounts of these Mega churches, and all these many T.V. evangelists, and it also sells lots of books for more $$$$$$$$$.

And guess what? The world receives them because of what Jesus said “if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” The Lord never said to cash in on the gospel of Jesus Christ and make merchandise out of the people, but rather freely you have been given, so freely give. But these seek honor for themselves, and to be honored of men instead of seeking the honor that only comes from God.

And in doing these things they seek to do their own will, and not that of the Father.

Psalm 49:12 “Nevertheless man being in honor abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish.

Psalm 49:20 “Man that is in honor, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.

 

[just-me]

Jesus said in John 5:30-32 “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.[SUP]31 [/SUP]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.[SUP]32 [/SUP]There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.”

And again note what Jesus says here in verse [SUP]41 [/SUP]I receive not honor from men.[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only?”

These words can be applied to us as well. We should not seek our own will but the Fathers; just as we should not bear witness of ourselves, and neither should we be worried about being honored by men. But we should seek the honor that only comes from God first and foremost.

Look at all the preachers these days who seek to be honored by the people by telling the people what they want to hear, and not according to the words and will of God. They tell the people what they want to hear because it fills the pews of their churches, and it also fills the bank accounts of these Mega churches, and all these many T.V. evangelists, and it also sells lots of books for more $$$$$$$$$.

And guess what? The world receives them because of what Jesus said “if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” The Lord never said to cash in on the gospel of Jesus Christ and make merchandise out of the people, but rather freely you have been given, so freely give. But these seek honor for themselves, and to be honored of men instead of seeking the honor that only comes from God.

And in doing these things they seek to do their own will, and not that of the Father.

Psalm 49:12 “Nevertheless man being in honor abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish.

Psalm 49:20 “Man that is in honor, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.

John 5:44-47
[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?
[SUP]45 [/SUP]Do not think that I will accuse you to the Father: there is one that accuseth you, even Moses, in whom ye trust.
[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.
[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?

 

[thecreationtutor]

Hmm - would this apply to when "we have to be right" in what we say in the Bible study forum?

How many posts do we have just talking about who God is?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Hmm - would this apply to when "we have to be right" in what we say in the Bible study forum?

How many posts do we have just talking about who God is?

You mean like being King and Queen of a thread? LOL And yes, sometimes speaking the Truth is not the popular opinion among certain groups and forums. But to me, speaking the Truth according to the words of God is more important than trying to fill up a friends list on a forum.

 

[Stephen63]

When churches seek honor from men, the leaders of individual churches seek to impress the leaders in another, to get into each other's good graces.

When leaders within their own congregations do it, they seek to impress the elders, pastors , etc.

I've seen this for years..... kissing up to each other. In one particular denomination, they kiss the ring. Reminds me of the Mafia. Come to think of it, they were doing this before the Mafia was around.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Luke 14:8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding,
sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;

Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets,
and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

There is taking highseats in many places

 

[Stephen63]

In the CC forums, members try to impress other members, saying things to get "likes" from their buddies, including insulting other members. It's like when domesticated dogs get together, they form a pack with certain ones striving to be the "dominant one" who leads the way, causing all kinds of chaos.

 

[Stephen63]

Luke 14:8 When thou art bidden of any man to a wedding,
sit not down in the highest room; lest a more honourable man than thou be bidden of him;

Luke 20:46 Beware of the scribes, which desire to walk in long robes, and love greetings in the markets,
and the highest seats in the synagogues, and the chief rooms at feasts;

There is taking highseats in many places

Agreed. It's those "seat takers" I believe will hand over their spiritual authority to the Antichrist one day. When he comes, I bet they'll be climbing over each other to be first to call him lord.

 

[DesiredHaven]

Honouring the Son and the Father

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus had said,

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory:
but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true,
and no unrighteousness is in him.

And Peter says,

1Peter 4:1 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God;
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

He has given us the words of God

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me;
and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee,
and they have believed that thou didst send me.

And Jesus says,

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words:
ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Wheres here contrarily John says

1 John 4:5 They are of the world:
therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us;
he that is not of God heareth not us.
Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Whereas again here Jesus said (in part) as in the above.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory

And again, in contrast

1Peter 4:1 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God;
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ...

And again...

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me;

Well, in the house of God speaking the words for the greater part would seem to indicate some that you seek to glorify him (even within the sphere of your ability) whether that be great or small wouldnt matter God increases us.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Honouring the Son and the Father

John 5:23 That all men should honour the Son, even as they honour the Father.
He that honoureth not the Son honoureth not the Father which hath sent him.

Jesus had said,

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory:
but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true,
and no unrighteousness is in him.

And Peter says,

1Peter 4:1 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God;
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ,
to whom be praise and dominion for ever and ever. Amen.

He has given us the words of God

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me;
and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee,
and they have believed that thou didst send me.

And Jesus says,

John 8:47 He that is of God heareth God's words:
ye therefore hear them not, because ye are not of God.

Wheres here contrarily John says

1 John 4:5 They are of the world:
therefore speak they of the world, and the world heareth them.

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us;
he that is not of God heareth not us.
Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Whereas again here Jesus said (in part) as in the above.

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory

And again, in contrast

1Peter 4:1 If any man speak, let him speak as the oracles of God;
if any man minister, let him do it as of the ability which God giveth:
that God in all things may be glorified through Jesus Christ...

And again...

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me;

Well, in the house of God speaking the words for the greater part would seem to indicate some that you seek to glorify him (even within the sphere of your ability) whether that be great or small wouldnt matter God increases us.

Good verses Sis, this one here nails it....

Jesus had said,

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory:
but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true,
and no unrighteousness is in him.

If they are not anointed of the Spirit (which comes in His name) and sent by God, then whose name and glory are they come in? In anothers name perhaps?

 

[DesiredHaven]

Good verses Sis, this one here nails it....

Jesus had said,

John 7:18 He that speaketh of himself seeketh his own glory:
but he that seeketh his glory that sent him, the same is true,
and no unrighteousness is in him.

If they are not anointed of the Spirit (which comes in His name) and sent by God, then whose name and glory are they come in? In anothers name perhaps?

He speaks of this too .

John 1:1 He came unto his own, and his own received him not.

John 5:43 I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not:
if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.

John 1:12 But as many as received him, to them gave he power to become the sons of God,
even to them that believe on his name:

John 12:48 He that rejecteth me, and receiveth not my words,
hath one that judgeth him: the word that I have spoken, the same shall judge him in the last day.

And likewise he says,

John 13:20 Verily, verily, I say unto you,
He that receiveth whomsoever I send receiveth me;
and he that receiveth me receiveth him that sent me.

John 17:8 For I have given unto them the words which thou gavest me;
and they have received them, and have known surely that I came out from thee,
and they have believed that thou didst send me.

John 17:9 I pray for them: I pray not for the world,
but for them which thou hast given me; for they are thine.

1 John 4:5 They are of the world: therefore speak they of the world,
and the world heareth them.

1 John 4:6 We are of God: he that knoweth God heareth us;
he that is not of God heareth not us.
Hereby know we the spirit of truth, and the spirit of error.

Another coming in his own name, speaking from himself, even another spirit seducing after another doctrine

That could be as well, yes.

 

[Least]

Jesus said in John 5:30-32 “I can of mine own self do nothing: as I hear, I judge: and my judgment is just; because I seek not mine own will, but the will of the Father which hath sent me.[SUP]31 [/SUP]If I bear witness of myself, my witness is not true.[SUP]32 [/SUP]There is another that beareth witness of me; and I know that the witness which he witnesseth of me is true.”

And again note what Jesus says here in verse [SUP]41 [/SUP]I receive not honor from men.[SUP]42 [/SUP]But I know you, that ye have not the love of God in you.[SUP]43 [/SUP]I am come in my Father's name, and ye receive me not: if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.[SUP]44 [/SUP]How can ye believe, which receive honor one of another, and seek not the honor that cometh from God only?”

These words can be applied to us as well. We should not seek our own will but the Fathers; just as we should not bear witness of ourselves, and neither should we be worried about being honored by men. But we should seek the honor that only comes from God first and foremost.

Look at all the preachers these days who seek to be honored by the people by telling the people what they want to hear, and not according to the words and will of God. They tell the people what they want to hear because it fills the pews of their churches, and it also fills the bank accounts of these Mega churches, and all these many T.V. evangelists, and it also sells lots of books for more $$$$$$$$$.

And guess what? The world receives them because of what Jesus said “if another shall come in his own name, him ye will receive.” The Lord never said to cash in on the gospel of Jesus Christ and make merchandise out of the people, but rather freely you have been given, so freely give. But these seek honor for themselves, and to be honored of men instead of seeking the honor that only comes from God.

And in doing these things they seek to do their own will, and not that of the Father.

Psalm 49:12 “Nevertheless man being in honor abideth not: he is like the beasts that perish.

Psalm 49:20 “Man that is in honor, and understandeth not, is like the beasts that perish.

That's a theme throughout the scriptures. Every single person who walked with God was very humble and gave Him all the glory.

There are example of some who did not. Here's one:

Acts 12:21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
Acts 12:22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Paul and Barnabas protested when people tried to honor them as being something they were not.

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Acts 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Seeking to be seen honorable, even standing in the sysnagogues and in the corners of the streets, "that they may be seen of men.

"They have their reward."

The honor of men.

John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That's a theme throughout the scriptures. Every single person who walked with God was very humble and gave Him all the glory.

There are example of some who did not. Here's one:

Acts 12:21 And upon a set day Herod, arrayed in royal apparel, sat upon his throne, and made an oration unto them.
Acts 12:22 And the people gave a shout, saying, It is the voice of a god, and not of a man.
Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

Paul and Barnabas protested when people tried to honor them as being something they were not.

Acts 14:11 And when the people saw what Paul had done, they lifted up their voices, saying in the speech of Lycaonia, The gods are come down to us in the likeness of men.
Acts 14:12 And they called Barnabas, Jupiter; and Paul, Mercurius, because he was the chief speaker.
Acts 14:13 Then the priest of Jupiter, which was before their city, brought oxen and garlands unto the gates, and would have done sacrifice with the people.
Acts 14:14 Which when the apostles, Barnabas and Paul, heard of, they rent their clothes, and ran in among the people, crying out,
Acts 14:15 And saying, Sirs, why do ye these things? We also are men of like passions with you, and preach unto you that ye should turn from these vanities unto the living God, which made heaven, and earth, and the sea, and all things that are therein:
Acts 14:16 Who in times past suffered all nations to walk in their own ways.

Matthew 6:5 And when thou prayest, thou shalt not be as the hypocrites are: for they love to pray standing in the synagogues and in the corners of the streets, that they may be seen of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Seeking to be seen honorable, even standing in the sysnagogues and in the corners of the streets, "that they may be seen of men.

"They have their reward."

The honor of men.

John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Good scriptures Least, ever notice how the worm is shown as sin in scripture? Like their "worm" dies not? Jesus being shown like a worm in scripture Psalm 22:6 (made to be sin for us). That's what this verse you posted made me think of....

Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

 

[Least]

Good scriptures Least, ever notice how the worm is shown as sin in scripture? Like their "worm" dies not? Jesus being shown like a worm in scripture Psalm 22:6 (made to be sin for us). That's what this verse you posted made me think of....

Acts 12:23 And immediately the angel of the Lord smote him, because he gave not God the glory: and he was eaten of worms, and gave up the ghost.

That's interesting InSpiritInTruth,

I looked up the Strong's definition of "worm," from both verses and they're both a bit different.

The definition from Psalms 22:6, is more in-depth, and it goes into the characteristics of a certain type of worm, and it even uses the word "crimson," which is also used in reference to sin in Isaiah.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Both definitely tie to sin, but there's a difference between the two. The definitions are interesting in themselves, even the root word from the verse in acts.

Digging into it more.

Thank you for sharing this.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

That's interesting InSpiritInTruth,

I looked up the Strong's definition of "worm," from both verses and they're both a bit different.

The definition from Psalms 22:6, is more in-depth, and it goes into the characteristics of a certain type of worm, and it even uses the word "crimson," which is also used in reference to sin in Isaiah.

Isaiah 1:18 Come now, and let us reason together, saith the LORD: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow; though they be red like crimson, they shall be as wool.

Both definitely tie to sin, but there's a difference between the two. The definitions are interesting in themselves, even the root word from the verse in acts.

Digging into it more.

Thank you for sharing this.

No problem, glad to share. I'll start another thread on it if you want to comment on it there? Peace.

 

[MarcR]

You mean like being King and Queen of a thread? LOL And yes, sometimes speaking the Truth is not the popular opinion among certain groups and forums. But to me, speaking the Truth according to the words of God is more important than trying to fill up a friends list on a forum.

It seems to me that if we seek God's friendship first, those who do likewise will also be our friends.

 

[Blain]

Honor? Glory? It is not for me to receive such things, I could care less about what treasures I have in heaven or what honor or glory I receive I am after him and that's all. If I received a high rank in heaven I would lower myself to least in all of heaven, I adore the role of a loving and humble servant.

 

[DesiredHaven]

John 5:44 How can ye believe, which receive honour one of another, and seek not the honour that cometh from God only?

Mat 6:1 Take heed that ye do not your alms before men, to be seen of them: otherwise ye have no reward of your Father which is in heaven.

Mat 6:2 Therefore when thou doest thine alms, do not sound a trumpet before thee, as the hypocrites do in the synagogues and in the streets, that they may have glory of men. Verily I say unto you, They have their reward.

Seeking glory of men is in this chapter as well

 

[Yet]

Playing King of the mountain, building a reputation, seeking lavish praise, is endemic in the organized church. Tantamount to slapping Christ in chains. Quenching the Spirit. No flesh shall glory In His presence. If men get by with self exaltation, then His presence is absent.

 

[crossnote]

Is this another pow wow of roasting preachers? My, how spiritual we are today LOL...jes speakin da truth.