The heresies of the many

[purgedconscience]

First off, I apologize for the title of this thread. I chose it solely for the purpose of offsetting the title of another thread on this forum, the heresies of the few.

My primary concern in starting this thread is those who may either be new to the faith or actively considering the Christian faith. In other words, some unregistered guests who might be visiting here to see what Christianity is truly all about. Well, the Apostle Paul pretty much laid out a distinctive guideline for us in his letter to the Galatians, so I'll quote it now:

Galatians chapter 5 verses 19 thru 23

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

As you navigate your way throughout this forum, ask yourselves this simple question:

Who are the ones who are most often accusing others of being heretics and where can I locate them on the lists above?

In other words, are the ones who are most often accusing others of being heretics the same ones who are exhibiting the fruits of the Spirit such as love, peace, gentleness, meekness and temperance or self-control or are they the ones who are more often than not exhibiting such poisonous fruits as hatred, variance, wrath, strife, seditions (divisions, dissensions) and murders in that they hate their fellow man?

Look which list the heresies appear on.

They're listed right along side the hateful, wrathful, murderous lovers of strife.

May God grant you wisdom and understanding.

Good night.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Amen, I almost missed this thread. And good for you for standing up against the mob rule of reprobates in these forums. Peace

 

[purgedconscience]

Amen, I almost missed this thread. And good for you for standing up against the mob rule of reprobates in these forums. Peace

I wouldn't be surprised if several members here missed it on purpose.

We can't have mirrors, can we? I think that some here are afraid to see themselves as others see them and most importantly how God sees them according to His Word.

Thanks for responding.

I was getting ready to enroll in some therapy classes for rejection.

Just kidding.

haha.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

I wouldn't be surprised if several members here missed it on purpose.

We can't have mirrors, can we? I think that some here are afraid to see themselves as others see them and most importantly how God sees them according to His Word.

Thanks for responding.

I was getting ready to enroll in some therapy classes for rejection.

Just kidding.

haha.

Well, if you speak the Truth here by the Spirit of God, you will be rejected and hated for His names sake. Peace

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

They should have a proceed with caution warning for this forum. Some of our members do bite! LOL

 

[purgedconscience]

Well, if you speak the Truth here by the Spirit of God, you will be rejected and hated for His names sake. Peace

Not just here, but everywhere.

Believe me, I'm no stranger to these types of things and I'm not bellyaching either as if I'm somehow personally offended. I have a firm foundation in Christ and I'm ultimately concerned for any newcomers here and for unregistered guests who might be viewing these things without the same type of firm foundation. This place could literally shipwreck one's faith, but some people here seem to have no conscience whatsoever. You know who I'm talking about. The heresy hunters. If they had mirrors in their bathrooms, then they wouldn't have to travel too far in their hunts. It's ironic, but not the least bit funny.

 

[InSpiritInTruth]

Not just here, but everywhere.

Believe me, I'm no stranger to these types of things and I'm not bellyaching either as if I'm somehow personally offended. I have a firm foundation in Christ and I'm ultimately concerned for any newcomers here and for unregistered guests who might be viewing these things without the same type of firm foundation. This place could literally shipwreck one's faith, but some people here seem to have no conscience whatsoever. You know who I'm talking about. The heresy hunters. If they had mirrors in their bathrooms, then they wouldn't have to travel too far in their hunts. It's ironic, but not the least bit funny.

It's all a sign of the times friend, the falling away from the faith is in full swing.

 

[psychomom]

sigh.

do you truly see no difference between the threads you decry and what this is becoming?

'ware rabbit holes, gentlemen.

 

[purgedconscience]

sigh.

do you truly see no difference between the threads you decry and what this is becoming?

'ware rabbit holes, gentlemen.

There may be similarities developing. Thanks for mentioning it. I'm perfectly willing to let my opening post and scripture rest upon their own merits without any further commentary of my own.

Thanks, again, for sharing.

 

[atwhatcost]

First off, I apologize for the title of this thread. I chose it solely for the purpose of offsetting the title of another thread on this forum, the heresies of the few.

My primary concern in starting this thread is those who may either be new to the faith or actively considering the Christian faith. In other words, some unregistered guests who might be visiting here to see what Christianity is truly all about. Well, the Apostle Paul pretty much laid out a distinctive guideline for us in his letter to the Galatians, so I'll quote it now:

Galatians chapter 5 verses 19 thru 23

Now the works of the flesh are manifest, which are these; Adultery, fornication, uncleanness, lasciviousness,
Idolatry, witchcraft, hatred, variance, emulations, wrath, strife, seditions, heresies,
Envyings, murders, drunkenness, revellings, and such like: of the which I tell you before, as I have also told you in time past, that they which do such things shall not inherit the kingdom of God.
But the fruit of the Spirit is love, joy, peace, longsuffering, gentleness, goodness, faith,
Meekness, temperance: against such there is no law.

As you navigate your way throughout this forum, ask yourselves this simple question:

Who are the ones who are most often accusing others of being heretics and where can I locate them on the lists above?

In other words, are the ones who are most often accusing others of being heretics the same ones who are exhibiting the fruits of the Spirit such as love, peace, gentleness, meekness and temperance or self-control or are they the ones who are more often than not exhibiting such poisonous fruits as hatred, variance, wrath, strife, seditions (divisions, dissensions) and murders in that they hate their fellow man?

Look which list the heresies appear on.

They're listed right along side the hateful, wrathful, murderous lovers of strife.

May God grant you wisdom and understanding.

Good night.

And may God give you the cool head today that you didn't have last night.

Since you missed this on the other post, here's the thing. You know how to judge it, but you're too quick to judge it. Judging takes time.

(And no, bad judgement doesn't make you a heretic. It makes you like me, someone with the patience of Jonah! lol)

 

[purgedconscience]

And may God give you the cool head today that you didn't have last night.

Since you missed this on the other post, here's the thing. You know how to judge it, but you're too quick to judge it. Judging takes time.

(And no, bad judgement doesn't make you a heretic. It makes you like me, someone with the patience of Jonah! lol)

I had a cool head last night and I offer no apologies whatsoever for what I said on that other thread.

I also find it interesting that somebody who has only been here two months longer than I have has now sermonized me twice in relation to time. Besides, anybody with one good eye and one functioning brain cell can tell that there's something terribly wrong which regularly takes place on this forum and it began, apparently, long before I ever arrived. Go and read the Speak your mind thread and see how many people there are saying their good-byes to this place and why. They're not leaving because of me, but because of people here whose consciences have apparently been seared with a hot iron and who deem themselves the spiritual elite or the heresy hunters. I have much more patience than Jonah and a heart totally unlike his was initially. Jonah ran from preaching repentance to those who were his enemies. Here I stand. If you have any other judgments which you'd like to pass in regard to me, then let them rip. I can assure you that I won't defend myself or my integrity against any again.

 

[oldthennew]

sigh.

do you truly see no difference between the threads you decry and what this is becoming?

'ware rabbit holes, gentlemen.

-----------------------------------------------------

mom,

we are rejoicing, the ego's throne is like fragile glass -
your discernment is greatly appreciated.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

sigh.

do you truly see no difference between the threads you decry and what this is becoming?

'ware rabbit holes, gentlemen.

My thought exactly. P/Mom.

I note that this thread seems -- and if I'm wrong, purged, forgive me and feel free to correct me -- to be based on the concept that calling heresy heresy is unloving. When someone can show those of us who stand for biblical truth that we are wrong, I'll be the first to say, "Yes, you are right, I have been wrong all along." But what we get instead are passages lifted out of context, the teachings of men superimposed over the words of God, and blatantly false teachings on "losing salvation," keeping the Law and the alleged ability of man to live a sinless life, among many other false teachings we see here.

When posting in contradiction of these views, with properly exegesis of Scripture examined with thorough lexical analysis, all pointing to the great possibility those members and their teachings might be in error, we get more out-of-context Scripture, followed by a distinct attitude of superiority that is not only anathema to the Christian, but is also based in a cult of self, or a cult of some leader somewhere who originated the heresy.

We are told that the doctrines to which a vast majority of Christians adhere, biblically sound and proven doctrines, are in error. This is a direct contradiction of God's word, and a lie, not because the adherents have been "taught doctrines of men to be truth" but because those of us who affirm them have, in fact, examined them for themselves and, more importantly with the guidance and power of the Holy Spirit.

As a result, we have found them to be the absolute truth. Rather than provide proof their doctrines are biblical, the promoters of false doctrine resort to more haughtiness, poor exegesis, and often display an inability to go beyond the doctrinal statements of their leadership.

Now you may say that, in championing these beliefs as the absolute truth, that I am the one being haughty. But given most of us can produce the biblical evidence for our beliefs, and further given that not once have I see those who disagree with these views produce anything other than fragmented Scripture and catch-phrases from their teachers, I beg to differ. That said, carry on with your thread. Perhaps others can benefit from a continuing exchange.

 

[Blain]

I only just saw this thread but I should probably check out the other thread before responding to this as to better understand the situation here

 

[purgedconscience]

My thought exactly. P/Mom.

If that's your thought exactly, then you need to realize that any objections which psychomom voiced here, unless I'm greatly misunderstanding her, were comparative in that they mirrored, in her mind, the very things which I'm decrying that happen elsewhere like in the thread that you started which prompted this very thread of my own. In other words, if I'm guilty, then you're equally as guilty. Are you ready to admit to such guilt?

That being said and asked, before I go any further, I'll commend you for the non-confrontational approach that you've taken in your response. There's simply no reason why that approach cannot continue on both of our sides. Again, kudos.

I note that this thread seems -- and if I'm wrong, purged, forgive me and feel free to correct me -- to be based on the concept that calling heresy heresy is unloving. When someone can show those of us who stand for biblical truth that we are wrong, I'll be the first to say, "Yes, you are right, I have been wrong all along." But what we get instead are passages lifted out of context, the teachings of men superimposed over the words of God, and blatantly false teachings on keeping the Law and the alleged ability of man to live a sinless life, among many other false teachings we see here.

I personally have no problem with calling a spade a spade or a heresy a heresy and I believe that, when justified, the same easily falls within the parameters of Biblical love. God is love and he decried heresy all throughout the scriptures and all throughout history so the decrying of heresy is not my issue. Instead, my issue is in relation to all of the name calling, deriding, insulting, confining others to hell, etc. which I've seen more than my fair share of in my brief time here. The servant of the Lord must not strive or engage in strife, but he/she must be patient and gentle, meekly instructing those who oppose themselves that God might ultimately grant them repentance and that they might be recovered from the captivating snare of the devil. I've seen nothing and I mean nothing which even remotely resembles the same.

Instead of patience, I've seen people flying off of the handle all over the place on both sides.
Instead of gentleness, I've seen harshness, again, on both sides.
Instead of meekness, I've seen pride on both sides.
Instead of a desire to see others recovered from the snare of the devil, I've seen people rejoice when members are banned and moreso on one side than the other.

I'm not the only one by any means to see such things and they've apparently been going on for quite some time around here. Again, go and read the Speak your mind thread and see how many members there are saying their good-byes to others and why. People are sick of the status quo around here and many of them are simply unwilling or incapable of putting up with this garbage anymore. Is this the type of trophy that you'd like to be a part of? Running tender hearted Christians out of town? And, please, don't bother going the route of, Hey, it's not our fault...we're not the heretics, so they're to blame!" Even if you were correct by possibly giving such a response, then your actions here still need changing. Again, God's servants simply are not to engage in strife and way too many people here seem to relish in the same. It's sickeningly ungodly. In fact, it's demonic.

As far as the rest of your post is concerned, I'm sure that the alleged heretics would bring the same type of charges against you. Why can't both sides just present their cases and then leave it to God to give the increase? I'll tell you exactly why in one simple word:

Pride.

God hasn't called you or anybody else to browbeat somebody else into submission, yet you people are at it all day long. Read Jesus' parables. The wheat and tares both grow together until the time of harvest. Who the hell then are you or anybody else to be busy seeking to uproot the same? Again, the underlying problem is pride.

If you hear nothing else that I've said here, then at least go and read the posts in the last few pages on the Speak your mind thread. Do you care anything at all for these people who are heading for the exits? If you do, then put an end to your own involvement in the ongoing situation here which is the primary cause of the same.

Thanks for sharing and listening.

 

[Reborn]

I had a cool head last night and I offer no apologies whatsoever for what I said on that other thread.

I also find it interesting that somebody who has only been here two months longer than I have has now sermonized me twice in relation to time. Besides, anybody with one good eye and one functioning brain cell can tell that there's something terribly wrong which regularly takes place on this forum and it began, apparently, long before I ever arrived. Go and read the Speak your mind thread and see how many people there are saying their good-byes to this place and why. They're not leaving because of me, but because of people here whose consciences have apparently been seared with a hot iron and who deem themselves the spiritual elite or the heresy hunters. I have much more patience than Jonah and a heart totally unlike his was initially. Jonah ran from preaching repentance to those who were his enemies. Here I stand. If you have any other judgments which you'd like to pass in regard to me, then let them rip. I can assure you that I won't defend myself or my integrity against any again.

One week?

Like l've said before.....you already hate the game, without knowing the players or the rules yet?
Word to the wise. .....check the ages, man, .......it might help you decide whether to respond or not.

It's all a sign of the times friend, the falling away from the faith is in full swing.

Because you dislike the opinions of a handful of people on CC ,
......on a site you return to daily, (lol, a place where you disagree with and dislike most anyway?)
Whats your new agenda now? I know. There's the "H" word again.

That's your best example of apostasy?
You believe disagreeing with some people on CC, is enough to state that?

Very logical, ISIT.
Im still waiting for you to use scripture ......just once.... in context...... these last few days.

The day isn't over, yet, you still have time.
If you can stir up people like Ellie, ........l think you need to rethink how you think others think.
Have a good one buddy.

 

[purgedconscience]

I only just saw this thread but I should probably check out the other thread before responding to this as to better understand the situation here

I sincerely commend you for taking the time to better understand the situation before responding. In fact, I think that I'll rep you for it.

 

[purgedconscience]

One week?

Like l've said before.....you already hate the game, without knowing the players or the rules yet?
Word to the wise. .....check the ages, man, .......it might help you decide whether to respond or not.

Shame on you.

Rather than address what's been said, all we get are comments about time, age and an alleged hatred of the game. What game? Do you think that life is a game? You're an active participant in the Speak your mind thread. Do you think that it's a game or some type of sport that so many people there are saying their good-byes? I don't. Not at all. And your time comment is equally as ridiculous. Again, read the words of your own friends here. According to their testimony, this garbage has been transpiring here regularly for a long, long time, so my being here only a little more than a week is irrelevant.

Age? Did you mention age? Many of you behave like two year olds. Stomping your feet. Throwing temper tantrums. Demanding your ways. Dirtying your diapers and the stench has become more than many people here can bear.

You seem to be friends with some people here who seem genuinely nice, so I'm willing to assume that this was just poor judgment on your part.

 

[Viligant_Warrior]

I had a cool head last night and I offer no apologies whatsoever for what I said on that other thread.

I also find it interesting that somebody who has only been here two months longer than I have has now sermonized me twice in relation to time.

How does the amount of time on this board have anything to do with someone's spiritual maturity?

Besides, anybody with one good eye and one functioning brain cell can tell that there's something terribly wrong which regularly takes place on this forum and it began, apparently, long before I ever arrived. Go and read the Speak your mind thread and see how many people there are saying their good-byes to this place and why. They're not leaving because of me, but because of people here whose consciences have apparently been seared with a hot iron and who deem themselves the spiritual elite or the heresy hunters.[/quote]Biblical truth is important, don't you think? And as I asked another today, if we know we have been led to our conclusions about doctrinal beliefs, but stand opposed to one another, what do we do?

I have much more patience than Jonah and a heart totally unlike his was initially.

Are you sure about that? Jonah had made up his mind about Nineveh despite God's desire for him to preach repentance to them. Seems to me you, who have been on the board for eight days (???) have made a dire judgment about a good portion of the membership here. I say "good portion" because, as you read through your thread and mine, you see most seem to agree with me, though I could be wrong about that. I haven't actually counted.

Jonah ran from preaching repentance to those who were his enemies. Here I stand. If you have any other judgments which you'd like to pass in regard to me, then let them rip. I can assure you that I won't defend myself or my integrity against any again.

Well, as we all know, "And the word of God came to Johah a second time" (Jonah 3:1) and he went to Nineveh. He stopped running and was obedient. He didn't say, "let them rip" -- he said, "Yet forty days and Nineveh will be overthrown." I'm certain that wasn't his full message. I'm sure people came up to him and said "What do we do?" Then he would speak with them and share the truth.

Like most of us here do, those of us whom you apparently think are "haughty." It's odd that we think the same thing of those who share partial truths and half-Scriptures, isn't it? But I think we can find a middle ground where both of us can learn from the other. I think we should to stop expecting the person we contend with will be converted, though I'm sure both of us can hope for truth to be preached -- and there's only one truth.

 

[psychomom]

Shame on you.

Rather than address what's been said, all we get are comments about time, age and an alleged hatred of the game. What game? Do you think that life is a game? You're an active participant in the Speak your mind thread. Do you think that it's a game or some type of sport that so many people there are saying their good-byes? I don't. Not at all. And your time comment is equally as ridiculous. Again, read the words of your own friends here. According to their testimony, this garbage has been transpiring here regularly for a long, long time, so my being here only a little more than a week is irrelevant.

Age? Did you mention age? Many of you behave like two year olds. Stomping your feet. Throwing temper tantrums. Demanding your ways. Dirtying your diapers and the stench has become more than many people here can bear.

You seem to be friends with some people here who seem genuinely nice, so I'm willing to assume that this was just poor judgment on your part.

my account is all but deleted, merely awaiting the dawn on the other side of the world.

as a parting word, please do take at least a measure of what's been said seriously.
perhaps i miss my guess in you, in which case i apologize.
i do not know your doctrinal stances, or whether or not you attend a local church.

the people who make me so sad i am leaving are not the people you may imagine.
strife and controversy are stirred up, yet it's not done openly, but in cover of darkness.

do 'ware rabbit holes.

take care.