Sabbathkeeper Conspiracy View of Church History

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sparkman

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I wrote these remarks for a facebook thread I was involved with so I will share it here.

Basically, this is my view of the pertinent facts regarding the Sabbath issue and history.

Some Sabbathkeepers often present their version of church history in a manner that makes it sound like the Roman Catholic church or the Roman emperors changed the day of observance of Christians from Saturday to Sunday. Quite often their materials come from really bad sources, such as Andrew Dugger, who wrote a book called A History of the True Church. If you read the entire book, you will find out that he proclaims Arius a "great defender of the true faith". Arius was the source of the henotheistic views of the Jehovah's Witnesses, which deny the full deity of Jesus Christ..so why would one quote such a book as an authoritative source?

The following chain of events is the nearest I've been able to determine regarding this. I am a former Sabbathkeeper so this is why I engage this topic in the forums.

Here's what I wrote:

My understanding of church history regarding the Sabbath is much different than the one that is typically considered by these Sabbathkeepers.

From what I've pieced together, Christians would listen to the Scriptures read in the synagogues with the Jews on Saturday, then meet on Sunday for communion and discussion of the Scriptures from a Christian standpoint. They went to synagogue on Saturday because Scriptures were not available to them.

in AD70, the destruction of the Temple and persecutions by Romans caused Christians to flee Jerusalem. After this, the Jews hated Christians due to their failure to stay around and fight.

About AD90, Jews enacted the Eighteen Benedictions, which were required recitations in the Synagogues. Some of the Benedictions were blatantly anti-Christ and Chrisiians could not recite them in good conscience. This action ultimately caused them to be expelled from the Synagogue. They likely simply abandoned attendance in the Synagogue and continued their Sunday meetings.

In about AD130's prominent Jewish rabbis (Rabbi Akiva was one of them) proclaimed Simeon ben Kosiba (aka bar Kokhba) to be the Messiah, which further deteriorated relations between Christians and Jews. Obviously no real Christian would accept another Messiah.

By AD150, the vast majority of Christians were not meeting on Saturday. SDA historian Samuele Bacchiocchi agrees that this was the state of affairs and that the Sabbathkeeper assertions that Constantine caused this is in error.

In the AD325 Constantine issued a decree that required Sunday as a rest day, in order to allow soldiers and slaves a day of rest. However, his decree did not prohibit Sabbathkeepers from keeping the Sabbath...they could rest both days for all he cared. Some individual churches may have had different rules, but Constantine's edict did not prohibit Sabbath observance.

In AD363, the church met at the Council of Laodicea and issued a pronouncement that declared Judaizers observing the Sabbath to be anathema. I am guessing the reason behind this is because Judaizers were trying to cause division in the church, much like those of Galatia. Perhaps they were stating that those who didn't follow their doctrines were not saved and were not Christians. I don't know the details, but that is my guess. Perhaps they were trying to form their own associations as well, and the pronouncement was meant to curb this.

It must be noted that the Roman Catholic church did not exist as we know it until about AD600 and was basically one bishopric of five or more until then. Some would say that the RC church didn't even really exist until the Great Schizm in the 1000's.

They certainly did not have the power to unilaterally make decisions like Sabbathkeepers claim at that early date.

I realize that some within the Roman Catholic church claim they changed the day of observance from Saturday to Sunday, but they also claim that Peter was the first pope, so I am not sure why a reasonable person would give them much credibility. Some may criticize me for this remark as they think I am being pro-Roman Catholic church. I don't give the Roman Catholic Church and its claims much credibility, period.

I place the views of these Sabbathkeepers in the category of conspiracy theories myself..in fact that's the conclusion I've come to..that much of the Sabbathkeeper argument is one big conspiracy theory. I also find it interesting that some Sabbathkeepers I've talked with tend to get involved in other conspiracy theories involving the Illuminati, etcetera. I am not a big fan of conspiracy theories and those who hold them, in case you haven't figured it out. I don't doubt that evil organizations exist, but ultimately God is in control and I think a large number of these evil organizations and plots are figments of peoples' imaginations. I also think that it's a reflection of the immature thinking of some Christians to fixate on such things. God is in control.

By the way Constantine tends to be the "boogey man" of both the Sabbatarians and the anti-Trinitarians. Funny thing is that Constantine didn't even believe in the Trinity until his deathbed, contrary to the claims of anti-Trinitarians. He deferred to the church council even though he was an Arian.

An additional remark is that it is a common assertion amongst Hebrew Roots Movement people that Gentile Christians have a strong anti-Semitic element to their beliefs and this is why the Church rejected the Saturday Sabbath.

There are doctrinal issues related to Sabbath-keeping, namely that the Old Covenant is no longer in effect, and these elements are ceremonial or ritualistic aspects of the Old Covenant. But, in addition to this, given the timeline of events above, could anyone blame Gentile Christians for having issues with Jews? The Jews were proclaiming false Messiahs and requiring recitations in the Synagogue that would cause them to deny Christianity and Jesus Christ. Unconverted Jews were not sympathetic toward Christianity, especially after the Temple destruction. There was an antagonism between Jews and Christians which is a theme throughout the epistles of Paul. Read the allegory in Galatians 4:22-31 as an example, particularly verse 29 that says the Jews and those under the Old Covenant persecute Christians.
 

Budman

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There are doctrinal issues related to Sabbath-keeping, namely that the Old Covenant is no longer in effect, and these elements are ceremonial or ritualistic aspects of the Old Covenant. But, in addition to this, given the timeline of events above, could anyone blame Gentile Christians for having issues with Jews? The Jews were proclaiming false Messiahs and requiring recitations in the Synagogue that would cause them to deny Christianity and Jesus Christ. Unconverted Jews were not sympathetic toward Christianity, especially after the Temple destruction. There was an antagonism between Jews and Christians which is a theme throughout the epistles of Paul. Read the allegory in Galatians 4:22-31 as an example, particularly verse 29 that says the Jews and those under the Old Covenant persecute Christians.

Whatever the "issues" with Jews are, they are still God's chosen people, brought back by God into their Covenant land. We would do well to heed God's promise that He would bless those who bless the Jews, and curse those who curse them.

God's plan of salvation includes them. For "all Israel" shall be saved, when they witness the second coming of Jesus.
 
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sparkman

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Whatever the "issues" with Jews are, they are still God's chosen people, brought back by God into their Covenant land. We would do well to heed God's promise that He would bless those who bless the Jews, and curse those who curse them.

God's plan of salvation includes them. For "all Israel" shall be saved, when they witness the second coming of Jesus.
I agree God has a plan for them. This is more a testament to God's faithfulness rather than their worthiness or superior knowledge or personal characteristics.

Some groups try to claim that Gentile believers, out of prejudice, suppressed elements of the Mosaic Covenant that they claim still applies to New Covenant believers, particularly the Sabbath, Holy Days, and clean/unclean meats..some even claim physical circumcision still applies. That is the context of my remarks.

Somehow they think God is some powerless being who sits back and helplessly wrangled his hands while such things occurred. Else that, or they try to weave a story which implies God wants to deceive the "rest" of Christianity (except them, of course). Assertions like this make God into either a helpless being or a deceiver, neither option of which give glory to God.
 

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Whatever the "issues" with Jews are, they are still God's chosen people, brought back by God into their Covenant land. We would do well to heed God's promise that He would bless those who bless the Jews, and curse those who curse them.
I think that is very questionable. The present day Jews., who come from a branch of Judaism which followed the Scribes of the Pharisees rather than the Messiah, are God's rejected people. They turned their backs on Christ. A large portion of Jews in fact became Believers in Christ and they were the true Israel. And the Rabbinic Jews persecuted the believing Jews and rejected them. That is why in Revelation they were called the Synagogue of Satan. It is strange how some people cling on to the unbelievers and thereby turn their backs on the believers. As Paul stressed concerning the Jews, 'only a remnant will be saved'. Who were that remnant? The election of Israel, the believing Jews.

God's plan of salvation includes them. For "all Israel" shall be saved, when they witness the second coming of Jesus.
That is wishful thinking and denies the words of Isaiah, cited by Paul, 'if the number of the children of Israel be as the sand of the sea, only a remnant will be saved, for the Lord will carry out His work on earth, finishing it and cutting it short' (Rom. 9.27-28). The 'all Israel' which will be saved are those who are part of the olivetree of Israel (Jer 11.16), the election of Israel plus the believing Gentile proselytes which together form the true Israel (Eph 2.11-22; 1 Peter 2.9; Gal 3.29). Note how 'all Israel' cannot be saved until the fullness of the Gentiles are gathered in.

That is not to deny that some 'unbelieving Jews' will yet turn to the Messiah and be saved, but they will be so by believing in the Messiah and becoming Christians.
 
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Basically, this is my view of the pertinent facts regarding the Sabbath issue and history.
so another started thread, a chance to slander others, and disrespect what God has made Holy.
you believe that the Sabbathkeeper argument is one big conspiracy theory is funny and sad,
And thinking Constantine and rome had no influance on matters is folish and uninformed.

maybe you should read some quotes from people who really knows
the subject era, about the lost century in history.

as Edward Gibbon wrote in
The History of the decline and fall of the Roman Empire

"The scanty materials of ecclesiastical history seldom enable us to dispel
the cloud that hangs over the first age of the church .


Jesse Lyman Hurlbert in
The story of the christian church

the age just after the book of acts he calls "..the age of shadows.."

"of all the periods in the churches history, it is the one about which we know
the least about. For fifty years after St. Paul's life a curtain hangs over the church,
through which we strive vainly to look;


William McLaughlin in
The Course of Christian History

"But Christianity itself had been in the process of transformation as it progressed
and at the close of the period was in many respects
quite different from the apostolic Christianity."


Samuel G. Green in
A handbook of church History

"The thirty years which followed the close of the New Testement canon and the
destruction of Jerusalem, are in truth the most obscure in the history of the church.
When we emerge in the second century, we are to a great extent in a changed world."


William fitzgerald in
lectures on ecclesiastical History

"over this period of transition, which immediatly succeeds upon
the era properly called apostolic, great obscurity hangs."


Philip Schaff in
History of the Christian Church

"The remaining thirty years of the first century are involved in mysterious darkness,
illuminated only by the writings of John. This is a period of church history about which
we know least and would like to know most."

"Simon Magus unquestionably adulterated Christianity with pagon ideas and practices
and gave himself out for an emanation of God."

"This heresy in the second century spread over the whole church, east and west,
in the various schools of agnosticism."


-Satan as bible says, was doing everything he could to destroy the Work of God ,
and in little more than two decades, God’s people were turning to another gospel.

the time is of the Roman Empire, at its greatest extent streched from Britian
clear to modern day Turkey, and it ruled with the rod of iron, and forced its religion on people.


the new church Christ started was being attacked from within,read all about it in N.T.
 

prove-all

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Somehow they think God is some powerless being who sits back and helplessly wrangled his hands while such things occurred. Else that, or they try to weave a story which implies God wants to deceive the "rest" of Christianity (except them, of course). Assertions like this make God into either a helpless being or a deceiver, neither option of which give glory to God.
lets see what the bible says about this subject, and I know Gods power is unlimited,
you spread falsehood and deciet and strife.

I form the light, and create darkness: I make peace, and create evil:
I the Lord do all these things.

Thou hast set up the right hand of his adversaries;
thou hast made all his enemies to rejoice.

Be sober, be vigilant; because your adversary the devil, as a roaring lion,
walketh about, seeking whom he may devour:

The Lord hath done that which he had devised; he hath fulfilled his word that he had
commanded in the days of old: he hath thrown down, and hath not pitied: and he hath
caused thine enemy to rejoice over thee, he hath set up the horn of thine adversaries.


- - God made our adversaries, but a day will come, and vengence will be the lords,
and this earthly rule will become his, and He will rule with a rod of iron.

For this is the day of the Lord God of hosts, a day of vengeance, that he may avenge him
of his adversaries: and the sword shall devour, and it shall be satiate and made drunk with
their blood: for the Lord God of hosts hath a sacrifice in the north country by the river Euphrates.


- - so Jesus talked in parables to everyone execpt his apostles why?


He answered and said unto them, Because it is given unto you to know
the mysteries of the kingdom of heaven, but to them it is not given.
 

prove-all

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He scattered them, in national captivity and slavery (verse 23).

“Because they had not executed MY judgments, but had despised MY statutes,
and had polluted MY sabbaths, and their eyes were after their FATHERS’ idols

“And I will bring you out from the people, and will gather you out of the countries
wherein ye are scattered?…?with fury poured out. And I will bring you into
the wilderness of the people [coming exodus—Jeremiah 23:7-8],

and there will I plead with you face to face” (Ezekiel 20:34-35).

“Like as I pleaded with your fathers in the wilderness of the land of Egypt,
SO will I plead with you, saith the Lord God?.… And I will purge out from among
you the rebels, and them that transgress against me. and YE shall know that I am the Lord” .

43And there shall ye remember your ways, and all your doings, wherein ye have been defiled;
and ye shall [lothe yourselves] in your own sight for all your evils that ye have committed.

44And ye shall know that I am the Lord, when I have wrought with you for my name's sake,
not according to your wicked ways, nor according to your corrupt doings, O ye house of Israel,
saith the Lord God.


Thus saith the Lord God; I do not this for your sakes, O house of Israel, but
for mine holy name's sake, which ye have profaned among the heathen, whither ye went.

23And I will sanctify my great name, which was profaned among the heathen,
which ye have profaned in the midst of them; and the heathen shall know that
I am the Lord, saith the Lord God, when I shall be sanctified in you before their eyes.

24For I will take you from among the heathen, and gather you out of all countries,
and will bring you into your own land. Then will I sprinkle clean water upon you,
and ye shall be clean: from all your filthiness, and from all your idols, will I cleanse you.

26A new heart also will I give you, and a new spirit will I put within you: and I will
take away the stony heart out of your flesh, and I will give you an heart of flesh.

27And I will put my spirit within you, and [cause you to walk] in [my statutes],
and [ye shall] keep [my judgments], and do them.

28And ye shall dwell in the land that I gave to your fathers; and ye shall be my people,
and I will be your God. I will also save you from all your uncleannesses:

30And I will multiply the fruit of the tree, and the increase of the field, that ye
shall receive no more reproach of famine among the heathen.

31Then shall ye remember your own evil ways, and your doings that were not good,
and [shall lothe yourselves] in your own sight for your iniquities and for your abominations.

38As the holy flock, as the flock of Jerusalem in her solemn feasts;
so shall the waste cities be filled with flocks of men: and they shall know that I am the Lord.

And it shall come to pass, that from one new moon to another,
and from one sabbath to another, shall all flesh come to worship before me, saith the Lord.


- the bible says they will [ lothe themselves ] for Sabbaths breaking,
and all flesh will worship and keep the Sabbath day.
 
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