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Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Have you been duped into believing that fleshly Israel is the children of the promise? Well they're not, the children of the promise are the children of God, they are the true Israel, they are the true seed of Abraham.

Guess who the children of the promise are... Just like Isaac was, we who are saved by grace through faith are the children of the promise. Shame on those Jews and Christian Zionist's for trying to take our place!

Galatians 4:28 KJV
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
 
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KJV1611 said:
Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed....
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Here are some verses to yours


Gal 3:16

Now to Abraham and his seed
were the promises made.

He saith not,

And to seeds, as of many;

but as of one, And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

To Abraham and Christ (the son) of the promise (the Spirit)

Luke 24:49 And, behold, (likewise)

I send the promise of my Father (upon you):...

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted,

and having received of the Father the promise of ( the Holy Ghost)

he hath shed forth ( this )
which (ye) now see and hear.

Again...

He saith not, And to seeds,

as of many;

but as of one,

And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's,
(then) are ye Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise (The Spirit)

Romans 8:9...
Now if any man have not (the Spirit) of Christ,
he is (none) of his.

Romans 8:16
(The Spirit) itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children (of God):

Romans 8:17
And if children,
then heirs; heirs (of God ),
and joint-heirs with Christ;
if so be that we suffer with him,
that we may be also glorified together.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren,
as Isaac was, are the children (of promise).

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after (the flesh)
persecuted him that was born after (the Spirit)
even so it is now.

Romans 8:9...
Now if any man have not (the Spirit) of Christ,
he is (none) of his.

I dont know of that other stuff is why I didnt respond, I dont want to get wrapped up in that conversation but thats a great verse heres a few others as are shown in Christ (the Seed) singular (as of one) even Abrahams seed (of the faith of Christ).




 
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God still has plans for Israel and the Jewish people. He is faithful and they shall be saved in accordance with His word.

Romans 11:25-33 King James Version (KJV)

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
27 For this is my covenant unto them, when I shall take away their sins.
28 As concerning the gospel, they are enemies for your sakes: but as touching the election, they are beloved for the father's sakes.
29 For the gifts and calling of God are without repentance.
30 For as ye in times past have not believed God, yet have now obtained mercy through their unbelief:
31 Even so have these also now not believed, that through your mercy they also may obtain mercy.
32 For God hath concluded them all in unbelief, that he might have mercy upon all.
33 O the depth of the riches both of the wisdom and knowledge of God! how unsearchable are his judgments, and his ways past finding out!
 
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I will add to BenFTW's reference also

He works all things out after the counsel of his will

As here,

Duet 10:12 They have moved me to jealousy with that which is not God; they have provoked me to anger with their vanities: and I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Which you can catch manifested here, they were blinded (couldnt hear) and the Gentiles become interested all the sudden (as they would hear it Acts 28:28)

Acts 13:42 And when the Jews were gone out of the synagogue, the Gentiles **besought** that these words might be preached to them the next sabbath.

I will move them to jealousy (even envy) as is shown briefly here

Acts 13:45 But when the Jews **saw** the multitudes, they were filled with envy, and**spake against** those things which were spoken by Paul, contradicting and blaspheming.

He is evil spoken of them on their part even according to the prophecy of Simeon in Luke, for example its says,

1Peter 4:14... on their part he is **evil spoken of**, but on your part he is glorified.

Thats prophecy, its what he is "set for" (to be spoken against) for example here

Luke 2:34 Simeon blessed them, and said unto Mary his mother, Behold, this child is set for the fall and rising again of many in Israel; and for a sign which shall be **spoken against**

As Paul says concerning this,

Romans 11:11 I say then, Have they stumbled that they should fall? God forbid: but rather through their fall salvation is come unto the Gentiles, for to provoke them to jealousy.

It worked if He was doing this according to Duet 10:12 (as is shown in Romans 10:19) and they were getting ticked off (or rather angry) and jealous according to how he purposed it. As He worketh all things after the counsel of his own will, even as we (in him) are predestined according to the purpose of him in these same things

Ephes 1:11 In whom also we have obtained an inheritance, being predestinated according to the purpose of him who worketh all things after the counsel of his own will:

Paul speak of these things to be so between the Gentiles though.

I always though this was cool too, where God says this "I will provoke them" here

I will move them to jealousy with those which are not a people; I will provoke them to anger with a foolish nation.

Paul says also to the Gentiles,

Romans 11:13 For I speak to you Gentiles, inasmuch as I am the apostle of the Gentiles, I magnify mine office:If by any means I may provoke to emulation them which are my flesh, and might save some of them.

Paul did it too

That he would provoke to emulation them which are my flesh

Emulation

1) to provoke to
a) to provoke to jealously or rivalry
b) to provoke to anger

Even as he said in Duet 10:12 (shown in Romans 10:19). If he would provoke through one there needs to be one through whom he must provoke (and its not one another to vain glory) but them to jealousy according to how God has purposed the same.

I cut shorter but I really like these verses also.


 
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Romans 9:6-8 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:
[7] Neither, because they are the seed of Abraham, are they all children: but, In Isaac shall thy seed be called.
[8] That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.

Have you been duped into believing that fleshly Israel is the children of the promise? Well they're not, the children of the promise are the children of God, they are the true Israel, they are the true seed of Abraham.

Guess who the children of the promise are... Just like Isaac was, we who are saved by grace through faith are the children of the promise. Shame on those Jews and Christian Zionist's for trying to take our place!

Galatians 4:28 KJV
Now we, brethren, as Isaac was, are the children of promise.
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are you one of those folks who believe that God has wiped his hands off his chosen people?

You do understand that salvation for EVERYONE comes through them, right?

here we go again
 
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When you're wrongly taught that all Jews are evil, then that's the kind of interpretations you get with the OP.

Paul in Rom.9 was specifically pointing... to the seed of Israel in that Scripture, even going into detail about God's election of Jacob over Esau.

Rom 9:8-16
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


9 For this is the word of promise, "At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son."
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him That calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."


14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God That sheweth mercy.
KJV

By that Paul was actually REVEALING Israel's chosen elect status by God''s Own choosing and will, and not by their will. And not just that, but within... Isaac's seed, Paul showed an even further level of God's choosing with the Jacob and Esau example.

The main Message there is not about God removing His original election of the children of Israel, but how He also has His chosen among the Gentiles, because just as many of Israel still deny Jesus, so likewise as many if not more Gentiles also still do.
 
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BenFTW said:
God still has plans for Israel and the Jewish people. He is faithful and they shall be saved in accordance with His word.

Romans 11:25-33 King James Version (KJV)

25 For I would not, brethren, that ye should be ignorant of this mystery, lest ye should be wise in your own conceits; that blindness in part is happened to Israel, until the fulness of the Gentiles be come in.
26 And so all Israel shall be saved: as it is written, There shall come out of Sion the Deliverer, and shall turn away ungodliness from Jacob:
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There are 2 Israels in the bible. I'm not saying that, the bible says it.

Romans 9:6 KJV
Not as though the word of God hath taken none effect. For they are not all Israel, which are of Israel:

Who are the two Israels in Romans 9:6? And which Israel is Romans 11:26 talking about?
 
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PilgrimPassingThru said:
Here are some verses to yours


Gal 3:16

Now to Abraham and his seed
were the promises made.

He saith not,

And to seeds, as of many;

but as of one, And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

To Abraham and Christ (the son) of the promise (the Spirit)

Luke 24:49 And, behold, (likewise)

I send the promise of my Father (upon you):...

Acts 2:33 Therefore being by the right hand of God exalted,

and having received of the Father the promise of ( the Holy Ghost)

he hath shed forth ( this )
which (ye) now see and hear.

Again...

He saith not, And to seeds,

as of many;

but as of one,

And to thy seed,

which is Christ.

Gal 3:29
And if ye be Christ's,
(then) are ye Abraham's seed,
and heirs according to the promise (The Spirit)

Romans 8:9...
Now if any man have not (the Spirit) of Christ,
he is (none) of his.

Romans 8:16
(The Spirit) itself beareth witness with our spirit,
that we are the children (of God):

Romans 8:17
And if children,
then heirs; heirs (of God ),
and joint-heirs with Christ;
if so be that we suffer with him,
that we may be also glorified together.

Gal 4:28 Now we, brethren,
as Isaac was, are the children (of promise).

Gal 4:29 But as then he that was born after (the flesh)
persecuted him that was born after (the Spirit)
even so it is now.

Romans 8:9...
Now if any man have not (the Spirit) of Christ,
he is (none) of his.

I dont know of that other stuff is why I didnt respond, I dont want to get wrapped up in that conversation but thats a great verse heres a few others as are shown in Christ (the Seed) singular (as of one) even Abrahams seed (of the faith of Christ).
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Thank you! I have copied those to my notes.
 
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KJV1611

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ember said:
are you one of those folks who believe that God has wiped his hands off his chosen people?

You do understand that salvation for EVERYONE comes through them, right?

here we go again
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I'm just one of those people that believes the bible when it says the children of the flesh are not the children of God... I don't understand why you don't believe that. The children of the flesh have never been and never will be God's chosen people.

Yes I understand that salvation is of the Jews.... the question is which Jews? The Jews that killed Christ or the real Jew, the one that's a Jew inwardly?
 
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KJV1611

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DP said:
When you're wrongly taught that all Jews are evil, then that's the kind of interpretations you get with the OP.

Paul in Rom.9 was specifically pointing... to the seed of Israel in that Scripture, even going into detail about God's election of Jacob over Esau.

Rom 9:8-16
8 That is, They which are the children of the flesh, these are not the children of God: but the children of the promise are counted for the seed.


9 For this is the word of promise, "At this time will I come, and Sara shall have a son."
10 And not only this; but when Rebecca also had conceived by one, even by our father Isaac;
11 (For the children being not yet born, neither having done any good or evil, that the purpose of God according to election might stand, not of works, but of Him That calleth;)
12 It was said unto her, The elder shall serve the younger.
13 As it is written, "Jacob have I loved, but Esau have I hated."


14 What shall we say then? Is there unrighteousness with God? God forbid.
15 For He saith to Moses, I will have mercy on whom I will have mercy, and I will have compassion on whom I will have compassion.
16 So then it is not of him that willeth, nor of him that runneth, but of God That sheweth mercy.
KJV

By that Paul was actually REVEALING Israel's chosen elect status by God''s Own choosing and will, and not by their will. And not just that, but within... Isaac's seed, Paul showed an even further level of God's choosing with the Jacob and Esau example.

The main Message there is not about God removing His original election of the children of Israel, but how He also has His chosen among the Gentiles, because just as many of Israel still deny Jesus, so likewise as many if not more Gentiles also still do.
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I can see that you're totally brainwashed and I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears but here goes...

The bible says that the children of the flesh are not the children of God. Children of the flesh means exactly what it says, the children that were born out of the loins of Abraham. That would be Isaac, Jacob and all the physical children of Israel. Any of those in that group that are children of God are not children because they are the physical seed of Abraham, they are children of God because they are children of the promise.
 
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KJV1611 said:
I can see that you're totally brainwashed and I'm sure this will fall on deaf ears but here goes...

The bible says that the children of the flesh are not the children of God. Children of the flesh means exactly what it says, the children that were born out of the loins of Abraham. That would be Isaac, Jacob and all the physical children of Israel. Any of those in that group that are children of God are not children because they are the physical seed of Abraham, they are children of God because they are children of the promise.
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The deaf ears are yours simply because the 'children of the promise' WERE the SEED of Isaac that God chose out of all the nations on the earth! But just because some of them didn't believe you want to take away the fact that God chose them out of all other families on the earth! Anything to strike down Israel out of jealousy, that's the line you are playing.
 
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There is only one way of Salvation that is through belief in Jesus. Being Jewish is not a 'Get out of Hell free card'. Some use Pauls statement that all Israel will be saved as a proof text that this is the case. They ignore that he also said that the true circumcision is in the heart not in the flesh. There is also a fallacy that all Jews follow Judaism. Its not the case some are Atheists, Humanists, Buddhists and of no particular religion. Also Israel is a secular state and only a small percentage of Jews live there.
 
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The deaf ears are yours simply because the 'children of the promise' WERE the SEED of Isaac that God chose out of all the nations on the earth! But just because some of them didn't believe you want to take away the fact that God chose them out of all other families on the earth! Anything to strike down Israel out of jealousy, that's the line you are playing.
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OK, this will totally blow you away... Isaac was chosen because HE BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS COUNTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.... Isaac was CHRISTIAN just like I'm a Christian. He was not chosen because of his earthly heritage. Your head is so full of bias that you can't understand the words plainly written in the bible. The children of the flesh are not the children of God, they are not the children of the promise, and they are not God's chosen people.
 
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KJV1611 said:
OK, this will totally blow you away... Isaac was chosen because HE BELIEVED GOD AND IT WAS COUNTED TO HIM FOR RIGHTEOUSNESS.... Isaac was CHRISTIAN just like I'm a Christian. He was not chosen because of his earthly heritage. Your head is so full of bias that you can't understand the words plainly written in the bible. The children of the flesh are not the children of God, they are not the children of the promise, and they are not God's chosen people.
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It was Abraham that God accounted righteousness to in the Promise by Faith which God offered him, not Isaac (see Gal.3 also). So let's not talk about who can or cannot understand plainly written words in The Bible. But through Isaac's seed the inheritance would continue.

You mock our Heavenly Father when you say the family that Christ Jesus would be born through were not 'chosen'.
 
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tanakh said:
There is only one way of Salvation that is through belief in Jesus. Being Jewish is not a 'Get out of Hell free card'. Some use Pauls statement that all Israel will be saved as a proof text that this is the case. They ignore that he also said that the true circumcision is in the heart not in the flesh. There is also a fallacy that all Jews follow Judaism. Its not the case some are Atheists, Humanists, Buddhists and of no particular religion. Also Israel is a secular state and only a small percentage of Jews live there.
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I'm not in confusion on those things. ALL... must confess Jesus Christ as Saviour in order to be saved, and that includes the children of Israel.

What's different, as in Romans 11 by Paul, is how God blinded... Israel in part so The Gospel could also go to the Gentiles. God blinded them so they would NOT believe, get it? How then could He hold their disbelief accountable? It's when He removes that blindness when it will matter how they believe, and that's not going to occur until the day of Christ's return.

This is what the Zechariah 12 chapter is showing, for it's about the day when Jesus returns and because that's when the Israel in part has its blindness removed, they will mourn for Jesus as a long lost son. That is who the expressions of wanting the mountains and hills to fall upon them (because of shame) is about.

And yes, the "tares" like the leftovers of the Canaanites, have crept in among the children of Israel and no doubt are the main instigators of unbelieving Jews working against Christ Jesus. Our Lord Jesus will take care of that too on the last day of this world.
 
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I'm just one of those people that believes the bible when it says the children of the flesh are not the children of God... I don't understand why you don't believe that. The children of the flesh have never been and never will be God's chosen people.

Yes I understand that salvation is of the Jews.... the question is which Jews? The Jews that killed Christ or the real Jew, the one that's a Jew inwardly?
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You are coming across as anti-Semitic. Seriously? The Jews that killed Christ?

Your ignorance is really showing here buddy. That, along with your KJV only Bible nonsense, indicates how closed off your mind appears to be.

So basically then, we can understand you started this op to besmirch Jews and spread more hatred.

I haven't been this sarcastic in a long time...you are inspiring.

You might look into the KKK...they could be of interest to you.
 
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Peter speaking of believers in Jesus Christ....

"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His wonderful light." 1 Peter 2:9
 
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FreeNChrist said:
Peter speaking of believers in Jesus Christ....

"But you are a chosen people, a royal priesthood, a holy nation, God’s special possession, that you may declare the praises of Him who called you out of darkness into His wonderful light." 1 Peter 2:9
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Peter was quoting from the OT with the below in bold:

1 Peter 2:5-10
5 Ye also, as lively stones, are built up a spiritual house, an holy priesthood, to offer up spiritual sacrifices, acceptable to God by Jesus Christ.


6 Wherefore also it is contained in the scripture, Behold, I lay in Sion a chief corner stone, elect, precious: and he that believeth on Him shall not be confounded.


7 Unto you therefore which believe He is precious: but unto them which be disobedient, the stone which the builders disallowed, the same is made the head of the corner,


8 And a stone of stumbling, and a rock of offence, even to them which stumble at the word, being disobedient: whereunto also they were appointed.


9 But ye are a chosen generation, a royal priesthood, an holy nation, a peculiar people; that ye should shew forth the praises of Him Who hath called you out of darkness into His marvellous light:


10 Which in time past were not a people, but are now the people of God: which had not obtained mercy, but now have obtained mercy.
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Peter did apply that to ALL... of Christ's Church, made up of BOTH believing Israelites and believing Gentiles. But originally, that in bold above he quoted was written only to the children of Israel in the OT.

 
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You are coming across as anti-Semitic. Seriously? The Jews that killed Christ?

Your ignorance is really showing here buddy. That, along with your KJV only Bible nonsense, indicates how closed off your mind appears to be.

So basically then, we can understand you started this op to besmirch Jews and spread more hatred.

I haven't been this sarcastic in a long time...you are inspiring.

You might look into the KKK...they could be of interest to you.
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Look I don't play the name calling game. If I'm wrong correct me with scripture rather than LYING and call me an antI-semite. The bible says the children of God are not the children of the flesh and I believe it. PROVE THAT VERSE WRONG!
 
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