Unmerited Favor..... Has the definition changed? Who changed it?

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This article first appeared in CHRISTIAN RESEARCH JOURNAL, volume 36, number 02 (2013). The full text of this article in PDF format can be obtained by clicking here. For further information or to subscribe to the CHRISTIAN RESEARCH JOURNAL go to: Christian Research Journal - Christian Research Institute

Joseph Prince, senior pastor of New Creation Church Singapore, purports that in 1997 he received “a commission from God to preach grace even more radically.”1 During a vacation in the Swiss Alps, God allegedly told him, “Son, you are not preaching grace…You attempt to balance grace with law… and the moment you balance grace, you neutralize it….If you don’t preach grace radically, people’s lives will never be radically blessed and radically transformed.” He obeyed the voice and his church grew exponentially.2 Today, Prince’s ministry has a global presence through the Destined to Reign television broadcast, books, videos, and speaking engagements. Did Prince receive a message from the Lord? On closer examination, one finds his message of grace is a twisted mix of truth and error.

PRINCE’S PROSPERITY GOSPEL
Much of Prince’s teaching is a repackaging of concepts from the Word of Faith movement.3 He writes, “I give thanks to God for my roots in the Word of Faith teachings. It is truly on the shoulders of great men of God like Brother Kenneth E. Hagin that we are able to see further into the Word of God today.”4 Just as Hagin taught “what the individual says, that shall he receive,”5 so Prince recapitulates, “God says to you, you have an edge, your edge is your mouth. You are righteous by faith, so speak. God’s favor is all over my business…whatever I do prospers!”6 Now Prince admits, “I would preach, ‘The reason you are sick is that there is something wrong with you,’” until one day God supposedly told him, “Stop disqualifying My people! My blood has already qualified them.”7

Nevertheless he has not completely reformed from his old ways. For example, he still thinks poor and sick believers cannot bless anyone, and maintains, “Religion will tell you that ‘God’ wants you sick to teach you character and patience. Religion will tell you that ‘God’ wants you poor, so that you will learn humility. It sounds noble, doesn’t it? But these are LIES from the pit of hell!”8

Prince also uses the Word of Faith tactic of twisting Scripture to buttress the claim that God guarantees unlimited health and wealth this side of eternity. He teaches, for example, that Isaiah 53:5 means, “Sickness and diseases are not from God. On the cross, Jesus bore not just our sins, but also our sicknesses, diseases and infirmities, and ‘by His stripes we are healed!’”9 Isaiah 53:5, however, speaks of spiritual healing, as Peter makes clear, when he writes that Christ “bore our sins on the cross, so that we might die to sin and live to righteousness, for by His wounds you were healed” (1 Pet. 2:25).10

Prince likewise teaches that 2 Corinthians 8:9 means, “On the cross, Jesus bore the curse of poverty!”11 However, this passage is not teaching Christians are guaranteed wealth; instead, Paul is encouraging Corinthians to be generous, as the other churches of Macedonia were generous despite their poverty (2 Cor. 8:1–6). The Christian is not promised perfect health and unlimited wealth this side of eternity. God promises incorruptible riches instead, including peace that surpasses all understanding and knowledge of Christ and the power of His resurrection (Matt. 6:19–21; Phil. 3:8–11; 4:6–7).

PRINCE’S ANTINOMIANISM
Nothing in Prince’s teachings suggests that the Law, such as the Ten Commandments, has a practical use for the Christian life beyond conversion. He writes, “God gave the law for one purpose, and that is by the law, the world would have the knowledge of sin, and recognize their Savior.”12
According to Prince, God wrote the Ten Commandments on two tablets of stone and the Devil “armed himself with the law to accuse and condemn man” (emphasis in original), but “when God nailed the law to the cross, He made a public spectacle of the devil and all the powers of darkness.” After the cross “the law no longer had the power to condemn man as long as he believed on Jesus.“13 “If you insist on being under the law,” warns Prince, “you are actually arming the devil again”14 and “the devil is the one using the law to bring about death and condemnation and to put believers under oppression!”15

Prince makes the qualification, “Anyone who is living in sin is not under grace and has not experienced the gift of no condemnation”;16 however, he rejects distinguishing between the ceremonial laws as no longer binding from the Ten Commandments or enduring universal moral law as still relevant for believers.17 It is in his understanding that “while God’s law is holy, just and good, it was not meant for man to keep. Man has no ability to keep it.”18 He goes so far as to say, “The law is not for you the believer, who has been made righteous in Christ! The law is not applicable to someone who is under the new covenant of grace” (emphasis in original).19
Prince finds the believer is unable to have “a relationship with the law,” that is “with two cold tablets of stone,” but only “a living relationship with Jesus,” who “will put His laws upon our minds and write them on our hearts, causing us to walk in His ways that lead to life.”20

Prince’s teaching on the Law is essentially a variety of antinomianism. It is the idea that “though the moral law can and does lead one to repentance, it has no relevance to the life of the repentant believer afterward.”21
Now Prince rejects the charge of antinomianism, saying, “I have been accused of being…an antinomian (someone who is against the law of Moses). The truth is that I have the highest regard for the law” (emphasis in original).22 The problem, however, is that antinomianism is more than being “against the law of Moses.” The Law’s purpose is threefold: it restrains sin and promotes righteousness in society, it leads people to the conviction of sin and tutors them to Christ, and it serves as an ethical rule of life for believers.23 It is, therefore, the rejection of the third use of the law that makes Prince guilty of antinomianism.

PRINCE’S REJECTION OF CONFESSION
Prince’s unbiblical view of grace leads him to reject the Christian practice of confessing sin. He writes, “In that very instance when you prayed the prayer of salvation all the sins that you would commit for your entire life were forgiven once and for all….Let me say this plainly: You do not need to confess your sins again and again to be forgiven” (emphasis in original).24 He reasons Paul did not write about confessing sins,25 and 1 John 1:9 does not apply to Christians but to Gnostics who did not believe sin existed.26

Christ’s death is sufficient for making atonement for all the sins of the repentant, but when Christians stumble, confession of sin is the norm. James instructs believers to “confess your sins to one another” (James 1:16; cf. Luke 11:4).
Paul may not have explicitly given instructions to confess sin, but he does not condemn the practice. In fact, the statement, “If anyone is caught in any trespass, you who are spiritual, restore such a one in a spirit of gentleness” (Gal. 6:1) implies the fallen brother’s confession.

The idea that 1 John 1:9 applies to Gnostics but not to Christians has no basis in reality. Rather than denying sin’s existence, Gnostics believed matter is evil.27 Moreover, 1 John 1 is not addressing a Gnostic error, but broadly defining darkness and light. Those in darkness say they have no sin (v. 8), but those in light confess their sin (v. 9). The idea is this: “The proper Christian attitude to sin is not to deny it but to admit it, and then to receive the forgiveness which God has made possible and promises to us.”28

Joseph Prince is savvy about the errors of the prosperity gospel and antinomianism, and he even makes unambiguous statements denouncing them; nevertheless, he still continues to teach the same errors only under a different light. Compounding the problem is his rejection of Christian confession. In this sense, his distorted grace message is to be rejected.

Warren Nozaki is a researcher at the Christian Research Institute.

NOTES
1. New Creation Church, “History,” http://www.newcreation.org.sg/about-us/history.
2. Joseph Prince, Destined to Reign: The Secret to Effortless Success, Wholeness, and Victorious Living (Tulsa, OK: Harrison House Publisher, 2007), viii.
3. For a full-orbed treatment of the Word of Faith movement, see Hank Hanegraaff, Christianity in Crisis 21st Century (Nashville: Thomas Nelson, 2009).
4. Prince, Destined to Reign, 271.
5. Kenneth Hagin, How to Write Your Own Ticket with God (Tulsa: Kenneth Hagin Ministries, 1979), 6.
6. Joseph Prince, Christian Television Network, November 18, 2009.
7. Ibid.
8. Joseph Prince, Unmerited Favor: Your Supernatural Advantage for a Successful Life (Lake Mary, FL: Charisma House, 2010), 30.
9. Prince, Unmerited Favor, 29.
10. All Scripture quotations are from the New American Standard Bible.
11. Prince, Unmerited Favor, 29.
12. Prince, Destined to Reign,16.
13. Ibid., 15.
14. Ibid., 16.
15. Ibid., 121.
16. Ibid., 166.
17. Ibid., 118
18. Ibid., 125
19. Prince, Unmerited Favor, 100.
20. Ibid., 38; cf. Prince, Destined to Reign, 12.
21. Terry Miethe, The Compact Dictionary of Doctrinal Words (Minneapolis: Bethany House Publishers, 1988), 30.
22. Prince, Destined to Reign, 122.
23. See Louis Berkhof, Systematic Theology (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 1938), 614–15.
24. Prince, Unmerited Favor, 191.
25. Ibid., 186–87.
26. Ibid., 189.
27. Miethe, 98.
28. John Stott, Tyndale New Testament Commentaries, vol. 19 (Grand Rapids: Wm. B. Eerdmans, 2000), 82.
 
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Here we go again - more nonsense..

To keep the slander and malice down to a minimum I am posting by permission what JGIG posted concerning this subject.

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Everyone needs to weigh what they see and hear - folks need to pray for discernment and listen to the Spirit of God within them and compare what they're hearing/seeing to what the Bible plainly AND contextually says.

Example in Discernment - Joseph Prince:

Let me take a teacher who has gotten both support and raked over the coals here at CC, Joseph Prince. I've watched/listened to a bunch of his stuff, and in my opinion, he's one of the best teachers of the Gospel, the New Covenant, the Work of Christ, and the High Priesthood of Christ, and he lovingly and with good humor, builds up the believer in who they are in Christ. He also has a great ability to show how nearly everything in the Old Testament points to and foreshadows the realities that are in Christ.

That said, I think his teaching on the Lord's Supper is a little weird, and he does lean toward the 'claim your healing' mentality, which is, I believe, a reflection of his WOF 'roots' (self admitted). Those are the only things I have disagreements with him on that I've found (and I don't listen to him regularly, but have listened to a bunch of his stuff).

Regarding his teachings on wealth/prosperity, one needs to understand a few things:




  1. Joseph Prince defines prosperity as having what you need plus extra so that you can bless/minister to others




  1. Joseph Prince does not take a salary from his church (hasn't for years)




  1. Joseph Prince's income is from his books


  1. There are very active ministries at JP's church - they are not just a bunch of money-grubbing, selfish people looking to live in nice houses and drive nice cars. New Creation Church is a pipeline where money flows in, money flows out in ministry: New Creation Church - Outreach


Joseph Prince's broadcasts - every single one that I've heard - ALWAYS says that they believe that your giving should go to your local church FIRST, and that if you feel led, that they welcome any support you feel led to give to them. There is NO 'sow your seed with this ministry and God will bless you' schtick AT ALL at NCC or preached by JP.


Heresy Hunters and Joseph Prince:

Now some heresy hunters will often cite JP's self-admitted WOF 'roots' and then go about tearing apart Kenneth Hagin and every other WOF teacher they can think of in their articles that are 'exposing' Joseph Prince. Other heresy hunters will rip JP apart and call him a false teacher because he teaches eternal security. Then the Reformed heresy hunters will tell us how JP must be a heretic because he believes that the gifts of the Spirit are for today. The Holiness heresy hunters will rail against JP's teachings about Grace.

FEW, IF ANY of them will have sat down and actually watched a number of JP's teachings and evaluated what he actually teaches, but instead join in the feeding frenzy of snippets taken out of context by other heresy hunters aiming to take him down. Meanwhile, his teaching is setting thousands and thousands of viewers free and his ministry is flourishing
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Where these types cross the line is when they turn a disagreement that they have with someone doctrinally on a secondary issue and turn it into "So and so is a heretic/satanist/controlled by a demon" type stuff.

Gee whiz, people! State your disagreement, give your opinion, back it up with what you believe Scripture has to say on the matter, and let the reader/listener/viewer examine the issues and make up their own mind.


It's always instructive to look into the 'ministries' of these heresy hunting types - their overall demeanor, who they DO approve of and what those folks teach, and the fruit of their ministries. Many times they're just miserable, wounded, Christians who don't fellowship in real churches and interact with real people where they have to build real relationships but limit their interaction with others to the internet.

So for those on this thread who don't know me as well as others, I'm not a naïve type of believer who thinks all is posies and daffodils out there - I know that's not true. There is an Enemy out there who actively seeks to do harm to the Body of Christ.

I also know that He Who is in me is GREATER than he who is in the world! The Enemy has NO power I don't give him. The Enemy was defeated at the Cross and his greatest remaining weapon is deception. The best defense? KNOW WHAT'S TRUE AND STAND ON IT. The Gospel is the core of all Truth, and when we have a firm grasp on



  • Who Christ is
  • What He came to do
  • What that actually accomplished, and
  • What that means for those who put their faith and trust in Christ and who they are in Him.


. . and we equip ourselves and other believers with those foundational Truths, then when someone with something that is counterfeit approaches them, they'll recognize it and know to reject it because of how well they know what's TRUE in CHRIST.

The solution to false/bad teaching out there is building up and equipping the Body of Christ about who She is in Christ. Address falsehoods, show where they are in error, and then move on to building up and equipping with contextual, Biblical Truth.

And this is long and I'll end it here. Kudos to you if you made it this far :).

Grace and peace,
-JGIG



 
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In answer to the false accusations to being antinomian and against confession.

Objection #4: Hyper-Grace Preachers Are Against Confession of Sin

This is one of the most common misrepresentations of hyper-grace theology. The Biblical term “to confess” simply means “to speak the same thing as” or “to agree with.” We teach that confession is important because we should yield our minds to agreement with God about everything He reveals – including, but not limited to, sin.

What we often also teach (and this is where the rub is with some people) is that confession is not about triggering any transaction between us and God that would issue forth more forgiveness, as though God were dispensing forgiveness in various doses based upon our confessions. Forgiveness of sin is something that was provided objectively ONE time by ONE act of grace through ONE Savior who shed His blood on the cross for us 2000 years ago. As the book of Hebrews repeatedly emphasizes, He is the “once for all” sacrifice for sin.

Confession of sin then, is about humility and walking in agreement with God – not about getting more forgiveness from Him. Some will suggest that God’s forgiveness is dispensed using a “two-tiered” approach. On one level, they say, God has forgiven our sins judicially and objectively through the cross. On the second tier, however, we need to confess our sins in order to receive “relational” or“experiential” forgiveness in order to maintain close fellowship with God.

This two-tiered approach is nowhere taught in the New Testament, and has only been popularized because of two basic levels of rationale. The first is based upon a misinterpretation of two passages in the New Testament, both of which have been clearly explained in books and sermons by a host of solid gospel teachers. These two passages are Matthew 6:12 (where Jesus appears to be commanding His followers to ask for God’s forgiveness) and 1 John 1:9 (which seems to link forgiveness to confession of sin).

In my book “The Gospel Uncut: Learning to Rest in the Grace of God” I deal with these passages quite clearly, as do other authors such as Bob George, Andrew Farley, Ralph Harris, Paul Ellis, Cathy Hildebrand and Andrew Nelson. I encourage you to investigate these writings for yourself in order to understand the context in which these passages were intended to be understood.

The bottom-line is this.
We hyper-grace preachers DO value confession of sin. We also practice confession of sin in our own lives. However, we understand confession to be about agreeing with God concerning the foolishness of our sin rather than begging for forgiveness based upon a humanly-invented two-tiered approach to somehow "maintaining close fellowship" with Him.

Our fellowship with God was purchased unconditionally and irreversibly by Jesus at the cross. Once we receive that fellowship by simple faith in Christ, it is our eternal possession regardless of our recent performance or track-record. As I’ve written in my book, The Gospel Uncut:

"The way I now approach confession is to simply agree with God about the foolishness of my sin. I admit to Him that my sin hurts me as well as others and that it fails to bring glory to His Name. Often I am sorrowful over the foolishness of my actions. The Apostle Paul wrote that there is a “godly sorrow that brings repentance” (2 Cor. 10:7). When I know I have sinned, I humbly admit that my sinful behavior is out of step with my new nature and identity in Him, and I ask Him to help me rest in His completed work. Now here comes the best part! After agreeing with God about my sin, I begin thanking Him for the fact that this sinful act was already forgiven at the cross. Understanding these realities has literally transformed my practice of confession, changing the experience from a guilt-ridden begging session into a dynamic, worshipful encounter in which my conscious mind (and behavior) is realigned with the grace and truth of Jesus.

So yes! By all means confess your sin to God! Agree with Him about sin and everything else He has revealed. But don’t think of confession as a means of obtaining something that Jesus Christ died “once for all” to secure for you. Remember that confession is about humility and the ongoing renewal of the mind process – and never about getting something from God that is already yours in abundance through the finished work of Christ. If you are a believer in Christ, you are NEVER out of fellowship with God. Fellowship is an identity issue, meaning that you now share "all things in common" with God as a joint-heir with Christ (Rom. 8:17)! This never has been and never will be based upon your behavioral performance and is not something that you must confess sin in order to have reinstated! Because of Christ, you are always clean and God is always close!



Objection #5: Hyper-Grace Preachers are Against God’s Law


Some take this claim so far as to suggest that we even want to throw out or ignore the Old Testament. Wow! What wild imaginations these accusers have! The truth is that we are by no means antinomian (against the law of God), nor do we disbelieve or avoid teaching the Old Testament. Most of us actually esteem the power and purpose of God’s law so highly that we understand grace to be the only way of escape from its impossibly stringent demands.

Paul shared in Romans 3 and elsewhere that God’s purposes for the law were two-fold: 1) to stop our self-righteous excuses, minimizations and justifications of our sin and 2) to reveal our desperate need of a Savior by grace through faith. The entire thrust of Jesus’ Sermon on the Mount was to bury His very self-righteous audience under the weight of one inescapable reality: “Unless your righteousness surpasses that of the world’s most stringent law-keepers (the Pharisees and teachers of the law) you will by no means enter the kingdom of heaven” (Matt.5:20).

That Jesus came to “fulfill” the Law (Matt. 5:17) means that He came to keep its demands perfectly because He knew that we couldn’t and wouldn’t. He fulfilled the stringent demands of the Law on our behalf as our Substitute so that His record of perfection could be credited to our spiritual account when we received Him by grace through faith. He did what you and I couldn’t and wouldn’t, and the Sermon on the Mount is a damning indictment of anyone who thinks they can measure up to God’s standards on their own effort.

And have you heard of this “cheap grace” idea? Sometimes the term is ripped off and redefined from Bonhoeffer’s vocabulary to insinuate that the hyper-grace movement has cheapened the grace of God by making it “too easy” for people to attain. After all, we live in a world where there’s no such thingas a free lunch, right? We certainly don't believe or teach that grace is cheap. It cost Jesus His life! But we DO agree with the New Testament that His grace is FREE to those who receive it freely by faith.

The truth of the matter is that hyper-grace teachers are not guilty of promoting cheap grace at all. Rather, our critics are often guilty of promoting cheap Law!
Far from being anti-law, WE are the ones who esteem God's Law so highly as to conclude that there is no escape from its condemnation apart from faith in Christ alone! The Law is an all-or-nothing proposition. To stumble in just one aspect of keeping it is the equivalent of breaking all of it (James 2:10). The Law is a ministry of death and condemnation (2 Cor. 3:7-11). The Law is not the bad guy, however. It simply points out who the bad guys are (the world, the flesh and the devil)! The Law is holy and pure and designed to show us what sin is (Rom.7:7).

But living under Law cannot save, change or transform a single heart – only grace can! And this is why we are so adamant about never mixing a law-based mentality with a grace-based mentality toward spiritual life or growth under God’s New Covenant.
The New Testament repeatedly affirms that our salvation and sanctification are either completely by law or completely by grace, but cannot be a result of mixing the two.


Conclusion:

With all of that said, the idea of trying to somehow “balance grace” with anything is ludicrous according to both Scripture and plain reason. Grace, by definition, is radically IMBALANCED in our favor! If it were not, it would cease to be grace on that very basis! The term “hyper-grace” is far from insulting! It is in fact the ONLY kind of grace taught, supported and promoted in the Bible.

Why I am Hyper-Grace: Answering Five Common Objections
 
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1Jo 4:10 Herein is love, not that we loved God, but that he loved us, and sent his Son to be the propitiation for our sins.

Ro 5:6 For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.

Grace can never be merited. Grace is God's pity on those who are so low that only pity can reach them. That was me now through Christ I am an heir of the kingdom of God. An heir of eternal life with Christ.

For the cause of Christ
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Ephesians 1:2 Amplified Bible

May grace (God's unmerited favor) and spiritual peace [which means peace with God and harmony, unity, and undisturbedness] be yours from God our Father and from the Lord Jesus Christ
 
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walking in agreement with God
This is such a profound statement which should permeate all of our Christian walk.

When I focus on my sin God tells me to focus on His righteousness in me
When I put myself in bondage God tells me there is no condemnation to those that are in Him.
When I focus on my frailty God tells me that He has promised me to win because of His finished work on the cross.
When I cannot love He tells me He is Love and that He loved me first
When I doubt He tells me His Grace is sufficient for me


Is there a spiritual battle absolutely……yet when we are in agreement with God about all that He says about our standing in Him you will be amazed at how we are indeed Destined to Reign.

I praise God each day that all the “isms” are being left behind in the dust and crumbling.... and that God is raising up teachers like Joseph Prince who are in agreement with God about our sure standing in the absolute and abundant Grace of God.
 
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Let's look at some FACTS:
1. The doctrine of Hypergrace started in 1997..... The year that JP said God spoke to him in the Swiss Alps.

Joseph Prince, senior pastor of New Creation Church Singapore, purports that in 1997 he received “a commission from God to preach grace even more radically.”

This doctrine originated FROM ONE MAN. If the church accepted doctrine from one man, we'd all be Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses right now. NONE of the other televangelists..... Hinn, Roberts, Hagin, Osteen, or even Copeland has taught Hypergrace. We don't accept their doctrines that they all believe & preach, like "little gods".... yet we are to accept Prince's?
 
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This is such a profound statement which should permeate all of our Christian walk.

When I focus on my sin God tells me to focus on His righteousness in me
When I put myself in bondage God tells me there is no condemnation to those that are in Him.
When I focus on my frailty God tells me that He has promised me to win because of His finished work on the cross.
When I cannot love He tells me He is Love and that He loved me first
When I doubt He tells me His Grace is sufficient for me


Is there a spiritual battle absolutely……yet when we are in agreement with God about all that He says about our standing in Him you will be amazed at how we are indeed Destined to Reign.

I praise God each day that all the “isms” are being left behind in the dust and crumbling.... and that God is raising up teachers like Joseph Prince who are in agreement with God about our sure standing in the absolute and abundant Grace of God.
The church of Jesus Christ is "destined to reign"..... but not if they're actively living in sin without repentance. Those are "destined for Hell" if they don't repent.
 
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Understanding the grace of God sounds important to me.

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace,
which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.



1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit,
fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.


Perhaps this might answer some things to for us all according to Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones.

 
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We start our Christian lives depending on the grace of God and we live by it until we go to be with Him. And then it still is being revealed to us through Christ.

Colossians 2:6 (NASB)
[SUP]6 [/SUP] Therefore as you have received Christ Jesus the Lord, so walk in Him,

Ephesians 2:7 (NASB)
[SUP]7 [/SUP] so that in the ages to come He might show the surpassing riches of His grace in kindness toward us in Christ Jesus.


Here are the words of this song - sung for 100's of years by Christians all over the world. I am pretty sure that John Newton ( 1725-1807 ) was talking about Jesus only when he wrote "Grace" in his song.

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now I'm found,
Was blind, but now I see.

'twas Grace that taught,
my heart to fear.
And grace, my fears relieved.
How precious did that grace appear,
the hour I first believed.


Through many dangers, toils and snares,
I have already come.
'tis grace that brought me safe thus far,
and grace will lead us home.

The Lord has promised good to me,
His word my hope secures.
He will my shield and portion be,
as long as life endures.

When we've been there ten thousand years,
bright shining as the sun.
We've no less days to sing God's praise,
than when we first begun.

Amazing Grace, how sweet the sound,
That saved a wretch like me.
I once was lost but now am found,
Was blind, but now, I see.

 
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Understanding the grace of God sounds important to me.

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace,
which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.



1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit,
fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.


Perhaps this might answer some things to for us all according to Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones.

Posting all those scriptures that pertain to the true definition of grace for your false definition of Joseph Prince's version of grace is sinful.

What if someone posted scriptures on faith in God & used them to back their faith in Lucifer, calling him God?
 

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Understanding the grace of God sounds important to me.

Acts 20:32 (NASB)
[SUP]32 [/SUP] "And now I commend you to God and to the word of His grace,
which is able to build you up and to give you the inheritance among all those who are sanctified.



1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit,
fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.


Perhaps this might answer some things to for us all according to Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones.

I've listened to and read much of Martyn Lloyd Jones' material to know that his teachings do not line up with Prince. I wish the association wasn't made, it makes me shudder. MLJ was a Puritan at heart and associated himself with the Calvinistic Methodists.
 
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I've listened to and read much of Martyn Lloyd Jones' material to know that his teachings do not line up with Prince. I wish the association wasn't made, it makes me shudder. MLJ was a Puritan at heart and associated himself with the Calvinistic Methodists.
Actually some of his teachings do line up. Especially Dr. LLoyd-Jones talk about being dead to sin. Did you know he was called a heretic for his beliefs by some in the "Christian community" too because of his so-called deviate beliefs from the "normal Christian " views at the time.

There alot's of websites dedicated to the Dr. and his heresies..here is one. Everyone is a heretic to someone that has a different view on scripture then they do.

"Heresies" by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones


Here is a great one to listen to on being dead to sin which is exactly what is taught by Prince.

[video=youtube;jTUv0zitbkw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTUv0zitbkw[/video]
 
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I've listened to and read much of Martyn Lloyd Jones' material to know that his teachings do not line up with Prince. I wish the association wasn't made, it makes me shudder. MLJ was a Puritan at heart and associated himself with the Calvinistic Methodists.
I find it's easy to teach a new doctrine, & then post sayings of tried & true christians to back it. So much is copy/pasted it's overwhelming to counter-research.
 
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Let's look at some FACTS:
1. The doctrine of Hypergrace started in 1997..... The year that JP said God spoke to him in the Swiss Alps.

Joseph Prince, senior pastor of New Creation Church Singapore, purports that in 1997 he received “a commission from God to preach grace even more radically.”

This doctrine originated FROM ONE MAN. If the church accepted doctrine from one man, we'd all be Mormons or Jehovah's Witnesses right now. NONE of the other televangelists..... Hinn, Roberts, Hagin, Osteen, or even Copeland has taught Hypergrace. We don't accept their doctrines that they all believe & preach, like "little gods".... yet we are to accept Prince's?
Another fact:
2. Joseph Prince is a Word of Faith preacher. He repackages WOF with his hypergrace doctrine to make it seem that HG has been around as long as WOF. Kenneth Hagin was a "name it & claim it" WOF prosperity preacher that JP wrote about as a "great man".
 

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Actually some of his teachings do line up. Especially Dr. LLoyd-Jones talk about being dead to sin. Did you know he was called a heretic for his beliefs by some in the "Christian community" too because of his so-called deviate beliefs from the "normal Christian " views at the time.

There alot's of websites dedicated to the Dr. and his heresies..here is one. Everyone is a heretic to someone that has a different view on scripture then they do.

"Heresies" by Dr. Martyn Lloyd-Jones


Here is a great one to listen to on being dead to sin which is exactly what is taught by Prince.

[video=youtube;jTUv0zitbkw]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jTUv0zitbkw[/video]
MLJ also lived quite humbly by choice pushing aside a lucrative career in medicine for a meager wage behind the pulpit, shunned popularity.
IOW he lived what he preached, reflecting the life of Christ.
 
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The church of Jesus Christ is "destined to reign"..... but not if they're actively living in sin without repentance. Those are "destined for Hell" if they don't repent.
Do you have a measuring stick for actively living in sin without repentance.

I do.... his name is Jesus he paid for all my sins, the ones I know and the ones I do not know.

You make sin stronger than the work of the cross, this is not the Gospel.

You make repentance, contrition or sorrow for sin, which again it is NOT when it comes to our relationship with God.

If you want to repent, repent (change your mind) of the belief that God's victory on the cross is not efficacious enough.

People who are actively sinning and are born again, have fallen from grace as Paul keeps telling us. We are to restore them to right understanding of their position in Christ and the grace of God will be the restraining power against sin.

You know God has a lot more to offer than you give Him credit for.....just agree with HIM.

 
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MLJ also lived quite humbly by choice pushing aside a lucrative career in medicine for a meager wage behind the pulpit, shunned popularity.
IOW he lived what he preached, reflecting the life of Christ.
Amen..people are called for doing different things at different times. We all have different roles in the body of Christ and for different seasons too. If there was an internet when the Dr. Martyn was alive - he would have been on that teaching his message to the world. Thank God for the internet that people from all over the world can listen to the message of the gospel of the grace of Christ and grow in Him.
 
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Joseph Prince blasphemes the Holy Spirit and teaches others to do the same.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=I7ap1pt5Qqg

Nonsense.... that is complete garbage from a self-proclaimed heretic hunter. There are so many lies and mis-representations in that video. First one spotted in just a few minutes - about him changing his name. He changed his name years before he was even a pastor of a church because of cultural reasons. This video is just full of slander and malice.
 
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