Against OSAS: some of the best warnings to the churches!

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Please note: this does not include Jesus’ warnings to everyone in the 4 Gospels!

No OSAS for Christians who are slaves of sin (who habitually practice sin)
Romans 6:16-23 "… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves)
of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness
… so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
For when you were slaves of sin … the end of those things is (eternal) death.
… For the wages of sin is (eternal) death …" --- 3 dire warnings in 8 verses!
Romans 8:13-14 "For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death);
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”
Through the help of the Holy Spirit, we must put to death the sinful nature.
This, of course, is all part of walking on Jesus’ narrow path (Matthew 7:13-14).
IMO, you will make it to heaven, IF you sincerely repent of (forsake) your sins!

No OSAS for Christians who do not overcome all sins of every type
Revelation 21:7-8 • “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
and he will be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the
lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Jesus is talking about anyone who is a habitual (unrepentant) sinner!
Revelation 3:5 • “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments,
and I will not blot out his name from the Book of (Eternal) Life …”
Revelation 3:21 • “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
Jesus did not overcome by believing He was/is the Son of God (re: 1 John 5:5).

No OSAS for Christians who do not sow and live according to the Spirit
Galatians 6:7-8 “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.”
Romans 8:5-6 "For those who LIVE according to the flesh set their minds on the
things of the flesh, but those who LIVE according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.”
Decide for yourself: Are these passages contrasting eternal death with eternal life?

No OSAS for Christians who do not practice righteousness
1 John 3:7 • “… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous”
The Christian who does not practice righteousness is not righteous in God’s eyes!

No OSAS for Christians who do not love and obey Jesus
John 14:15-23 • “If you love Me, keep (obey) My commandments …
He who has My commandments and keeps (obeys) them, it is he who loves Me …
If anyone loves Me, he will keep (obey) My word …”
Good question: Does anyone get to heaven who does not love Jesus?
Hebrews 5:9 • “He (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”
Romans 6:16 "… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin
leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness …”
James 1:12-15 Those who endure the temptations to sin will receive the
crown of (eternal) life, which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.”

No OSAS for Christians who draw back, fall away, do not endure in the faith, etc.
Here are just a few of those famous “conditional passages” …
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 • “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel … by which you are
saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.”
2 Cor. 13:5 • “Examine yourself to see IF you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.”
Hebrews 3:14 • “For we have become partakers of Christ IF we hold the beginning
of our confidence steadfast to the end.”
1 Timothy 5:16 • “Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them,
for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.”
Does this remind you of “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12)?
Or Paul’s concern that after preaching to others he might be disqualified (1 Cor 9:27)?
Hebrews 10:36-39 • “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith; but IF anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.’ But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,
but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.”
In this last part, Paul displays his usual tactful method of softening his dire warnings
with encouragement and exhortation, and he is hopeful that none of them fall away!
Revelation 2:10 • “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of (eternal) life.”
The fun part about this is: “the crown of life” is eternal life! … Research it for yourself,
and note James 1:12-15 … he warns to not be deceived: sin brings forth eternal death.

No OSAS for Christians who don’t do what is required of them
1 Timothy 6:9-19 • “But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare,
and into may foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil … Let them (rich Christians) do good,
that they may be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for them-
selves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.”
If you are a Christian who desires to be rich, beware of the possible consequences!
IMO, the “good foundation for the time to come” refers to when Christians are judged.
Jude 20-21 • “But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith,
praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God,
looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.”
Our eternal life depends on Jesus’ mercy, which depends on us!
So, let us all agree: “Faith without works is dead (useless)” (James 2:20)

No OSAS for Christians who do not inherit (enter) the kingdom of God
First, these 2 passages might prove that “the kingdom of God” is analogous to heaven …
Mark 9:47 • “And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter
the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire”
Matt 25:34-46 • “Come, you (the righteous) blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world … And these (the unrighteous)
will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
The unrighteous (e.g. habitual sinners) will NOT inherit the kingdom of God …
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 • “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
There are several “sin lists” which keep Christians out of the kingdom and heaven.

Note: I have not included in the above Jesus’ many warnings to everyone in the 4 Gospels.
 
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And so you understand these scriptures to support your belief that God now expects you to maintain his holy moral standard that Jesus had to die on the cross for because you couldn't keep his holy moral standard. Is that correct?
 
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Ephesians 1:7
[SUP]7 [/SUP]In Him we have redemption through His blood, the forgiveness of our trespasses, according to the riches of His grace [SUP]8 [/SUP]which He lavished on us.

Ephesians 2:8
[SUP]8 [/SUP]For by grace you have been saved

Romans 3:24
[SUP]24 [/SUP]being justified as a gift by His grace through the redemption which is in Christ Jesus

Romans 5:21
[SUP]21 [/SUP]so that, as sin reigned in death, even so grace would reign through righteousness to eternal life through Jesus Christ our Lord.

We never received Salvation by not sinning, Therefore we cannot lose our Salvation by Sinning!
 
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FreeNChrist

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Dang it anyways. Why does God have to make it so difficult? I thought He actually wanted to save us. Oh well.......
 

PennEd

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And so you understand these scriptures to support your belief that God now expects you to maintain his holy moral standard that Jesus had to die on the cross for because you couldn't keep his holy moral standard. Is that correct?
Simple. And brilliant!

If the op could only grasp your elegance this thread could die.
Alas, I fear many many pages to come.
 

Chester

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We never received Salvation by not sinning, Therefore we cannot lose our Salvation by Sinning!
Hmmmmm! I have seen this "argument" quite often now: Using the same line of reasoning I could also say:

"I never got this job by not swearing at the boss, therefore I cannot lose this job by swearing at the boss"

I don't understand the logic . . . ?

I don't believe either that we lose our salvation just because we are sinning, but the logic of the statement I don't understand?
 

Chester

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Dang it anyways. Why does God have to make it so difficult? I thought He actually wanted to save us. Oh well.......
:) I like your humor - hope we can keep the conversation light!

At least we know that you don't hide that you sin sometimes - what with that first word in your post! :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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:) I like your humor - hope we can keep the conversation light!

At least we know that you don't hide that you sin sometimes - what with that first word in your post! :)
Oh, you really are a legalist.......;)
 

Chester

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Oh, you really are a legalist.......;)
Ah, I guess I sinned now too! What with my legalism I guess I lost my salvation and have to get born again again!! :)
 
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FreeNChrist

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Ah, I guess I sinned now too! What with my legalism I guess I lost my salvation and have to get born again again!! :)
Naw, legalists are still saved. They just don't have any of the joy of their salvation. That's why they need to make others as miserable as they are. That whole misery loves company thing and all.
 

valiant

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Hmmmmm! I have seen this "argument" quite often now: Using the same line of reasoning I could also say:

"I never got this job by not swearing at the boss, therefore I cannot lose this job by swearing at the boss"

I don't understand the logic . . . ?

The difference is between Almighty God and a human boss. Almighty God has saved us by His grace alone. All the purpose and love is His alone. He has declared despite our sinning that we are righteous in Christ (rom 3.24-28; 4.1-5; 5.1-21). Our future sinning may grieve Him but it cannot remove His grace. The action is all His.

He has chose us IN HIM before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. and predestined us to be conformed to the image of His Son. That is His purpose and aim. He has named us (rv 17.8) before the foundation of the world. How then can He fail In His purpose?
 

valiant

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Please note: this does not include Jesus’ warnings to everyone in the 4 Gospels!

No OSAS for Christians who are slaves of sin (who habitually practice sin)
Romans 6:16-23 "… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves)
of sin leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness
… so now present your members as slaves of righteousness for holiness.
For when you were slaves of sin … the end of those things is (eternal) death.
… For the wages of sin is (eternal) death …" --- 3 dire warnings in 8 verses!
Romans 8:13-14 "For if you live according to the flesh you will die (eternal death);
but if by the Spirit you put to death the deeds of the body, you will live (eternal life).
For as many as are led by the Spirit of God, these are sons of God.”
Through the help of the Holy Spirit, we must put to death the sinful nature.
This, of course, is all part of walking on Jesus’ narrow path (Matthew 7:13-14).
IMO, you will make it to heaven, IF you sincerely repent of (forsake) your sins!

No OSAS for Christians who do not overcome all sins of every type
Revelation 21:7-8 • “He who overcomes shall inherit all things, and I will be his God
and he will be My son. But the cowardly, unbelieving, abominable, murderers,
sexually immoral, sorcerers, idolaters, and all liars shall have their part in the
lake that burns with fire and brimstone, which is the second death.”
Jesus is talking about anyone who is a habitual (unrepentant) sinner!
Revelation 3:5 • “He who overcomes shall be clothed in white garments,
and I will not blot out his name from the Book of (Eternal) Life …”
Revelation 3:21 • “To him who overcomes I will grant to sit with me on My throne,
as I also overcame and sat down with My Father on His throne.”
Jesus did not overcome by believing He was/is the Son of God (re: 1 John 5:5).

No OSAS for Christians who do not sow and live according to the Spirit
Galatians 6:7-8 “Do not be deceived, God is not mocked; for whatever a man sows,
that he will also reap. For he who sows to his flesh will of the flesh reap corruption,
but he who sows to the Spirit will of the Spirit reap everlasting life.”
Romans 8:5-6 "For those who LIVE according to the flesh set their minds on the
things of the flesh, but those who LIVE according to the Spirit, the things of the Spirit.
For to be carnally-minded is death, but to be spiritually-minded is life and peace.”
Decide for yourself: Are these passages contrasting eternal death with eternal life?

No OSAS for Christians who do not practice righteousness
1 John 3:7 • “… let no one deceive you. He who practices righteousness is righteous”
The Christian who does not practice righteousness is not righteous in God’s eyes!

No OSAS for Christians who do not love and obey Jesus
John 14:15-23 • “If you love Me, keep (obey) My commandments …
He who has My commandments and keeps (obeys) them, it is he who loves Me …
If anyone loves Me, he will keep (obey) My word …”
Good question: Does anyone get to heaven who does not love Jesus?
Hebrews 5:9 • “He (Jesus) became the author of eternal salvation to all who obey Him.”
Romans 6:16 "… you are that one’s slaves whom you obey, whether (slaves) of sin
leading to (eternal) death, or (slaves) of obedience leading to righteousness …”
James 1:12-15 Those who endure the temptations to sin will receive the
crown of (eternal) life, which the Lord has promised to those who love Him.”

No OSAS for Christians who draw back, fall away, do not endure in the faith, etc.
Here are just a few of those famous “conditional passages” …
1 Corinthians 15:1-2 • “Moreover, brethren, I declare to you the gospel … by which you are
saved, IF you hold fast that word which I preached to you – unless you believed in vain.”
2 Cor. 13:5 • “Examine yourself to see IF you are in the faith, unless you are disqualified.”
Hebrews 3:14 • “For we have become partakers of Christ IF we hold the beginning
of our confidence steadfast to the end.”
1 Timothy 5:16 • “Take heed to yourself and to the doctrine. Continue in them,
for in doing this you will save both yourself and those who hear you.”
Does this remind you of “work out your salvation with fear and trembling” (Phil 2:12)?
Or Paul’s concern that after preaching to others he might be disqualified (1 Cor 9:27)?
Hebrews 10:36-39 • “ ‘Now the just shall live by faith; but IF anyone draws back,
My soul has no pleasure in him.’ But we are not of those who draw back to perdition,
but of those who believe to the saving of the soul.”
In this last part, Paul displays his usual tactful method of softening his dire warnings
with encouragement and exhortation, and he is hopeful that none of them fall away!
Revelation 2:10 • “Be faithful until death, and I will give you the crown of (eternal) life.”
The fun part about this is: “the crown of life” is eternal life! … Research it for yourself,
and note James 1:12-15 … he warns to not be deceived: sin brings forth eternal death.

No OSAS for Christians who don’t do what is required of them
1 Timothy 6:9-19 • “But those who desire to be rich fall into temptation and a snare,
and into may foolish and harmful lusts which drown men in destruction and perdition.
For the love of money is a root of all kinds of evil … Let them (rich Christians) do good,
that they may be rich in good works, ready to give, willing to share, storing up for them-
selves a good foundation for the time to come, that they may lay hold on eternal life.”
If you are a Christian who desires to be rich, beware of the possible consequences!
IMO, the “good foundation for the time to come” refers to when Christians are judged.
Jude 20-21 • “But you, beloved, building yourselves up on your most holy faith,
praying in the Holy Spirit, keep yourselves in the love of God,
looking for the mercy of our Lord Jesus Christ unto eternal life.”
Our eternal life depends on Jesus’ mercy, which depends on us!
So, let us all agree: “Faith without works is dead (useless)” (James 2:20)

No OSAS for Christians who do not inherit (enter) the kingdom of God
First, these 2 passages might prove that “the kingdom of God” is analogous to heaven …
Mark 9:47 • “And if your eye causes you to sin, pluck it out. It is better for you to enter
the kingdom of God with one eye, rather than having two eyes, to be cast into hell fire”
Matt 25:34-46 • “Come, you (the righteous) blessed of My Father, inherit the kingdom
prepared for you from the foundation of the world … And these (the unrighteous)
will go away into everlasting punishment, but the righteous into eternal life.”
The unrighteous (e.g. habitual sinners) will NOT inherit the kingdom of God …
1 Corinthians 6:9-10 • “Do you not know that the unrighteous will not inherit
the kingdom of God? Do not be deceived. Neither fornicators, nor idolaters,
nor adulterers, nor homosexuals, nor sodomites, nor thieves, nor covetous,
nor drunkards, nor revilers, nor extortioners will inherit the kingdom of God.”
There are several “sin lists” which keep Christians out of the kingdom and heaven.

Note: I have not included in the above Jesus’ many warnings to everyone in the 4 Gospels.
If you like to make this a much smaller post I will show you why each fits in with God's promise to keep those Who are His.

Suffice to give one verse. 'You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you.'

That shows that 'in the flesh' is a state of being, not a temporary situation,
 

Chester

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The difference is between Almighty God and a human boss. Almighty God has saved us by His grace alone. All the purpose and love is His alone. He has declared despite our sinning that we are righteous in Christ (rom 3.24-28; 4.1-5; 5.1-21). Our future sinning may grieve Him but it cannot remove His grace. The action is all His.
I don't agree with everything you say above, but you explain yourself well, rather than using faulty logic.
 

Chester

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He has chose us IN HIM before the foundation of the world that we should be holy and without blame before Him in love. and predestined us to be conformed to the image of His Son. That is His purpose and aim. He has named us (rv 17.8) before the foundation of the world. How then can He fail In His purpose?
By using the same logic:
2 Peter 3:9 King James Version (KJV)[SUP]"[/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning his promise, as some men count slackness; but is longsuffering to us-ward, not willing that any should perish, but that all should come to repentance."

So since God does not want anyone to perish, How then can He fail In His purpose?

So then do you also believe that everyone who has ever been born will be saved?

 

Chester

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If you like to make this a much smaller post I will show you why each fits in with God's promise to keep those Who are His.

Suffice to give one verse. 'You are not in the flesh but in the Spirit if so be that the Spirit of God dwells in you.'

That shows that 'in the flesh' is a state of being, not a temporary situation,

How so ???????
 

Chester

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Naw, legalists are still saved. They just don't have any of the joy of their salvation. That's why they need to make others as miserable as they are. That whole misery loves company thing and all.
Please, then you better find me and take away my joy! That way you can help to make me miserable! :)
 

Vdp

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This is the problem with Christians today. They want their ears tickled with lies that they can lose their Salvation. Why? Because if we can lose our Salvation, then by their own WORKS they can receive back their Salvation.

This Pride is from Satan!

Chester you are comparing Apples with Oranges. But then this is to be expected from those who do not have the Indwelling of the Holy Spirit. How can you Chester see the Truth if yo do not have the Holy Spirit????????

Is it that hard for you to see the Truth? If Salvation is not receive by not sinning and is received by the Grace of God then how can you say you do not understand how we cannot lose our Salvation by sinning?

You cannot understand because these are Spiritual. You are still trapped in the physical mindset not the Spiritual mindset.
 
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:alien: as it is written
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1 Corinto: 15. 50. Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; neither doth corruption inherit incorruption.

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godbless us all always
 
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And so you understand these scriptures to support your belief that God now expects you to maintain his holy moral standard that Jesus had to die on the cross for because you couldn't keep his holy moral standard. Is that correct?

She said, No man, Lord. And Yeshua said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8:11 (KJV, MBM)
 

notuptome

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She said, No man, Lord. And Yeshua said unto her, Neither do I condemn thee: go, and sin no more.
John 8:11 (KJV, MBM)
Terrible application. No inference here that she should be sinless. Stop being an adulterer yes but sinless nope.

Can salvation be lost? Nope no more so than a butterfly can go back to being a caterpillar. Salvation is a new birth the old man is dead and the new creation alive in Christ.

For the cause of Christ
Roger