I hope this was directed at me, because I certainly will answer this nonsense.
First, when we are having a Bible discussion, maybe you could comment on the specific verses I posted, and refute them exegetcially. Oh wait! You can't, so you threw out some red herring, like "opinions" and some points about Jesus, which miss the rest of the New Testament besides the gospels. Again, you might try and talk your way around Romans 5:3-5. Even in context it tells us we are going to suffer in this life. And if we don't, we are probably not serving God or walking with him. God never told us this life was going to be a cake walk! But we can have peace and joy and the other fruits of the Spirit, in spite of the trials and tribulations of life.
So please answer the actual scriptures in my last post! (Number 113)
As for the parts above that I enlarged, those are super red herring! And not true! When you claim that a studied and considered reading, especially in the original languages is an "opinion" you are just confirming that you have absolutely no understanding of either theology, Bible hermeneutics let alone the original languages.
OR if you think you can answer my post about Isa. 53:4-6 by reinterpreting it, go right ahead. I have just read over and over and over this key verses by Word Faith and hypergrace people, and yet, no one is willing to take this on.
If what I have posted is the "opinion" of a world renowned scholar, then show how he is wrong. Show how your "opinion" is right. Oh right, you don't have the knowledge of Greek or Hebrew to do that.
If a scholar has to say about the issue of healing in the atonement is far from irrevelant, but extremely important. Of course, if you ever got your head out of "Escape to Reality" web site and Internet preachers of the WF, HG variety, you might find a whole world of scholarly theology, with a much sounder base than the false HG teachers, and JP!
If the Bible is just about "opinions" and that is the label you attach to anyone who does not agree with your mistaken and dangerous theology, then that undermines ALL of Scripture. Because ALL of Scripture is important and if you misinterpret Isa. 53:4-6, you are basing your entire walk with God on a lie.
"More than that, we rejoice in our suffering, knowing that suffering produces endurance, and endurance produces character and character produces hope. And hope does not disappoint, because God's love has been poured out through the Holy Spirit who was given to us." Romans 5:3-5
So according to your Point 5 above you think this scripture is false? Or perhaps Jesus ministry on earth, was a time to demonstrate his power, and healing was one of the methods he used to do that. I believe he started his ministry by quoting this in the synogogue.
"And he came to Nazareth, where he had been brought up. And as was his custom, he went to the synagogue on the Sabbath day, and he stood up to read.17 And the scroll of the prophet Isaiah was given to him. He unrolled the scroll and found the place where it was written,18 “The Spirit of the Lord is upon me,
because he has anointed me
to proclaim good news to the poor.
He has sent me to proclaim liberty to the captives
and recovering of sight to the blind,
to set at liberty those who are oppressed,
19 to proclaim the year of the Lord's favor.”
20 And he rolled up the scroll and gave it back to the attendant and sat down. And the eyes of all in the synagogue were fixed on him. 21 And he began to say to them, “Today this Scripture has been fulfilled in your hearing.” Luke 4:16-21
Jesus did heal! But his earthly ministry was never about us! It was about him confirming the fulfillment of Scripture. How narcisstic to make Jesus healing about us, instead of about the glory of God!
Then there is James, is he another one you would throw out his words to conform to the false words of this heretical preacher Joseph Prince and others like him who paint a picture of Christian living that is not true!
"Count it all joy, my brothers, when you meet trials of various kinds, 3 for you know that the testing of your faith produces steadfastness. 4 And let steadfastness have its full effect, that you may be perfect and complete, lacking in nothing." James 1:2-4
Your exegesis is non existent and you keep side stepping everything I write, Bruce! Or is that the automated bot that is replying? Sometimes it is hard to know!
As for healing, I have never said God does not heal. God delivered me from drinking when I was saved. I never wanted or had another drop. The only reason that is significant, was because it was an incredible confirmation of the power of God to me, not just to deliver me from alcohol, but also to show me that God was real, he had performed a miracle, and that I needed to repent and obey this incredible Lord and Saviour.
So go for the verses I posted Bruce. You know, Isa. 53:4-6 not being part of the atonement, but only about sin. And then deal with all the verses Paul, James, and the others write about they value or purpose of suffering. I bet you can't!
As for being sick and tired of those who oppose you and this evil, judgemental and condemning Word Faith/ hypergrace "opinion,"that everyone should be healed," it is a shallow and terribly immature view of God and his works. God will heal, in answer to prayer, or sometimes even not, when it is HIS WILL, not ours. And this terribly immaturity is damaging, and people are not able to grow to true maturity in God, through the power of the Holy Spirit when what these false teachers are propagating is a twisted lie from the pit of hell! Spiritual maturity is not and never has been about miracles, but rather than continuing walk with Christ,, and the continuing work where God uses everything for good, to bring us to a spiritual maturity which consists of how we view and serve God, how we obey God and how we do his will. To say nothing of the power of forgiveness, repentance and how it works to heal our hearts and minds in Jesus name!
I will keep posting. I do hope more and more people will read my post #113 above, and seriously look at the falsehood in the hypergrace movement. There is simply no nice way to say, because hypergrace is Biblically wrong, a deception, and this forum is being taken over by people who are preaching "another gospel."
Healing was NOT provided for in the atonement. If you cannot demonstrate it was, then kindly cease and desist from posting your copy and paste nonsense over and over, as if by sheer force of will, you will seduce many people here! I think most people are waking up to this lie, even without a knowledge of Greek, Hebrew, Hermeneutics and theology, simply because they know the Bible and they have walked with God a long time!