A different halloween thread...

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FlSnookman7

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As I read the op about halloween a thought about witches occurred to me. It was not so long ago a group of people who probably considered themselves Christians let fear and rage lead them to commit unspeakable acts against innocent people. The Salem witch trials were not brought about because witchcraft was taking over but instead a few people lead by fear and hate convinced more people that a "scapegoat" was needed and that all their troubles could be blamed on local witches.
As laughable as this idea might be today, the same tricks satan used to burn those poor innocent people can still be seen even here even today. People will say someone is unsaved, satanic, evil etc whenever they disagree but do not have either the biblical Word or the facts to back up their allegations.
This is a common tactic used by not just Christians but politicians and humans in general. If you can not attack the message, attack the messenger. No need for intelligent rebuttal when calling someone a heretic is so much easier. I suppose this could be attributed to the fact that this is an anonymous online forum but if we are honest with ourselves we can see it all around us.
The problem comes when those who use the tactic are not big enough or humble enough to admit they might not be 100% sure in all they say. Then, instead of being honest and confessing this to the brothers and sisters they start to lie and gossip (i heard so and so was flying a broom, i heard so and so believes in this or that). Soon, enough weak minded people are going along so as not to be attacked themselves that we get a movement against whatever the current scapegoat happens to be.
Satan does not just come out and say "im satan, follow me instead" rather he uses lies that contain a lot of truth and pride to let people act in such a way that is prevents others from seeking Jesus. That is how satan wins and that is how he uses so many people without having to actually do much of anything....
 
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ladylynn

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As I read the op about halloween a thought about witches occurred to me. It was not so long ago a group of people who probably considered themselves Christians let fear and rage lead them to commit unspeakable acts against innocent people. The Salem witch trials were not brought about because witchcraft was taking over but instead a few people lead by fear and hate convinced more people that a "scapegoat" was needed and that all their troubles could be blamed on local witches.
As laughable as this idea might be today, the same tricks satan used to burn those poor innocent people can still be seen even here even today. People will say someone is unsaved, satanic, evil etc whenever they disagree but do not have either the biblical Word or the facts to back up their allegations.
This is a common tactic used by not just Christians but politicians and humans in general. If you can not attack the message, attack the messenger. No need for intelligent rebuttal when calling someone a heretic is so much easier. I suppose this could be attributed to the fact that this is an anonymous online forum but if we are honest with ourselves we can see it all around us.
The problem comes when those who use the tactic are not big enough or humble enough to admit they might not be 100% sure in all they say. Then, instead of being honest and confessing this to the brothers and sisters they start to lie and gossip (i heard so and so was flying a broom, i heard so and so believes in this or that). Soon, enough weak minded people are going along so as not to be attacked themselves that we get a movement against whatever the current scapegoat happens to be.
Satan does not just come out and say "im satan, follow me instead" rather he uses lies that contain a lot of truth and pride to let people act in such a way that is prevents others from seeking Jesus. That is how satan wins and that is how he uses so many people without having to actually do much of anything....





Yes F1Snookman! I have thought the very same thing especially watching the political scene unfold! And you are right, it is all around us. I see it at work. It runs rampant in family relationships that have been damaged. It is a very human thing to do. And those who are not fully aware of the political system or the family dynamics of people, fall into trusting what is said about an individual. No wonder we are told to avoid gossip as believers.

The Crusades were fought by religious people who were zealous without true knowledge. Zeal without knowledge is a dangerous thing. Many innocent people can be swept away not only those who are being wrongly accused but those who believe they are rightly accusing when the believe the tv news or the gossip in church or in their family.

You are revealing such a major truth here F1shook., we are called to "see Jesus" in all these things. When I look at the political scene here in America., it's shocking how accusations are hurled and lives are brought down. Yet Jesus is calling us to a higher way of life. Also., we don't have to fear but instead trust Him as this political thing goes forward.

Love your posts F1Shook., you have so much insight into people. It is a gift!
 
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Satan does not just come out and say "im satan, follow me instead" rather he uses lies that contain a lot of truth and pride to let people act in such a way that is prevents others from seeking Jesus. That is how satan wins and that is how he uses so many people without having to actually do much of anything....
I agree with this and it is so subtle too....sometimes it is hard to pick them out because they could just be a product of false teaching or an incomplete understanding of the gospel of the grace of Christ and are just trying to "defend the faith" as they see it now.

None of us have complete truth in all things. Only God knows and can judge the difference of what is in the heart of people.

Satan and his horde do not come to the believer in Christ and say "Sin all you want" because no one would for fall for such a lie.

Instead they come
as
"ministers of righteousness".

They want us to live by our own D.I.Y. self-righteousness/holiness so that we will be not be depending on what Christ has done for us by grace through faith alone for salvation.

This cuts us off from receiving the grace of God in our lives.

2 Corinthians 11:14-15 (KJV)
[SUP]14 [/SUP] And no marvel; for Satan himself is transformed into an angel of light.

[SUP]15 [/SUP] Therefore it is no great thing if his ministers also be transformed as the ministers of righteousness; whose end shall be according to their works. ( notice that is "their" works )

This below is what satan is really after...this is why he has false teachers in our midst. He wants us to fall away from grace which is total reliance on what Christ has done and depend on our own performance.

1 Peter 1:13
[SUP]13 [/SUP] Therefore, prepare your minds for action, keep sober in spirit, fix your hope completely on the grace being brought to you at the revelation of Jesus Christ.
 

blue_ladybug

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OK fine.. I won't partake of Halloween candy and scary movies on Halloween. Ya happy now???!!! :mad:
 
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OK fine.. I won't partake of Halloween candy and scary movies on Halloween. Ya happy now???!!! :mad:
I will take your Mars bars....I hear that they are out of this world..one could even say that they are from the "heavenlies"...:eek:

I never did like the scary movies because the stupidity of some of the people in the movie made me root for the monster to get rid of them before they bred and made more like them...lol..I know it's bad thinking but it did happen...just sayin'

 

blue_ladybug

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I will take your Mars bars....I hear that they are out of this world..one could say that they are from the "heavenlies"...:eek:

I never did like the scary movies because the stupidity of some of the people in the movie made me root for the monster to get rid of them before they bred and made more like them...lol..I know it's bad thinking but it did happen...just sayin'

I warned FreeNChrist earlier, now I'm warning you. Touch my peanut butter pumpkins and I WILL hurt you.. lol
 
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The enemy is highly surreptitious and manipulative - it's his game. He's the false accuser of the brethren and sneaks in without people realizing. The good news is that we have Christ who can keep us in check through our relationship and ongoing communications/prayer life with Him. With Him, we are never lost or forsaken to enemy's wiles and ways!
 

tanakh

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I used to watch Bewitched years ago I used to laugh at what the long suffering Husband had to put up with! From reading this site I'm wondering whether I should do Penance for it lol
 

Yonah

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I really don't think any spiritual compromise is a laughing matter... if you fell led not to do certain things then don't... if you feel led to warn others then do so, but also expect negative responses from those who do not share the same conviction...

all believers should do their best to draw as close to our beloved Savior as possible but I don't think its best to try to do the leading of others in this.. help them and share yes, but the leading is from above and the following is from the heart.
 
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Miri

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It's interesting how God's perception of witch craft differs from ours.



Deuteronomy 18:9-16 NKJV
[9] "When you come into the land which the LORD your God is giving you,
you shall not learn to follow the abominations of those nations.
[10] There shall not be found among you anyone who makes his son or his daughter
pass through the fire, or one who practices witchcraft, or a soothsayer, or one who
interprets omens, or a sorcerer,

[11] or one who conjures spells, or a medium, or a spiritist, or one who calls up the dead.
[12] For all who do these things are an abomination to the LORD
, and because of these
abominations the LORD your God drives them out from before you. [13] You shall
be blameless before the LORD your God. [14] For these nations which you will
dispossess listened to soothsayers and diviners; but as for you, the LORD your God
has not appointed such for you.

[15] "The LORD your God will raise up for you a Prophet like me from your midst, from
your brethren. Him you shall hear, [16] according to all you desired of the LORD your God
in Horeb in the day of the assembly, saying, 'Let me not hear again the voice of the LORD
my God, nor let me see this great fire anymore, lest I die.'






1 Samuel 15:22-23 NKJV
[22] So Samuel said: "Has the LORD as great delight in burnt offerings and sacrifices,
As in obeying the voice of the LORD? Behold, to obey is better than sacrifice, And to
heed than the fat of rams. [23] For rebellion is as the sin of witchcraft, And
stubbornness is as iniquity and idolatry.
Because you have rejected the word
of the LORD, He also has rejected you from being king."
 

wattie

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Yes I used to be into New Age/mystic style beliefs. Coming from the outside, someone could easily say, 'what are you doing getting into that? It's of the devil!'

Well, in it.. most often times the members of the group would get out into nature and think about nature... so there was the element of it 'feeling good'

Then, they would say.. 'you can take this however you want to, we don't reject christianity, in fact, some of put on the Christ consciousness'

Then also... because the members are out in nature and eating well and encouraging eachother.. often the problems they came with into the group DO get better.

So.. here you see the subtlety. The attraction.

But then you dig deeper..

* There is no truth.. a whole load of books saying different things on what to follow. Shifting sands for truth. No Rock
*
No deliverance from sin.. this is all about 'self' and being 'one' with natural things. In the group people would meditate to be 'one' with an animal or plant!
* God is seen as 'the divine power' .... impersonal
* It is centred on the self.. not God
* There are no standards
to abide by that would tell you to flee from sin. It is all subjective.

Looking at the points above, if someone were to tell you straight out that that is what they believe.. I beat you would flee.. but they don't tell you that. You just get lured by the idea of getting out in nature and sorting some emotional issues out with some good food and company.
 
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so many of us who Love Jesus, Love His creations/master-pieces, and take such pleasure in
their beauty and uniqueness, they bring us such unique joy -
but when some who are lost, make them an idol to worship, then bells and whistles should be going
off in full force for those who truly Love their Saviour, for only He can be worshipped in Spirit and in Truth,
as NUMBER ONE!!!