"Work out your own salvation ..."

[eternally-gratefull]

No, you grace-onlyists have it all perverted. GRACE IS NOT WHAT IT'S ALL ABOUT. It's about God so loving the world. It's about the plan of salvation which includes grace, BUT also includes faith, true repentance, fruits of repentance, & working out your salvation, or working for God with the abilities he gave you to bring forth fruit, for fruitless christians are rejected.

Go back & read the OT & find out what God thinks about the sluggard & what He does with them. That hasn't changed. As a matter of fact, He expects more from us because of the grace given to us to make us the Sons of God!

Grace-onlyists now have a new name: lazy-gracers. They are the NT sluggards.

You have alot of human works in there you claim one must do to be saved from what I see

If salvation is dependent on them, one must save themselves. and man gets the credit.

If however, The "work of men" in obedience, working out your salvation, and bearing good fruit is a "result" or "Byproduct" of salvation. Then you have grace through faith, and not of ourselves. and God gets all the glory.

What you grace and works people do not understand, is trying to add works to grace, nullifies grace, and makes it of no effect (those are pauls words not mine)

Grace and faith PRODUCE WORKS, as a product of BEING SAVED. Grace and works, produce more death.

 

[Blik]

What about the Ten Commandments?

Scripture tells us it is through grace we are saved. It says our works do not save us, it is only God who can do that for us. Scripture tells us it is by our fruits (works) we are known by, and that we will be judged by our works. It also says we are saved by grace.

It is all, every bit true. One truth cannot be eliminated.

We need to understand that scripture is a Hebrew document, written by God through men who are Hebrew. Some say Luke wasn't, but he had a Hebrew mother. Men who think like Hebrews know there are several meanings expressed in that language. When scripture tells of physical happenings, there is symbolism and spiritual meaning also. For instance, the word faith to a Hebrew means that something is believed in so solidly that actions result from that belief. In the Greek language faith can be spoken of without a thought of actions.

The Lord requires our actions based on our faith in Him, but we are not saved by those actions. We are saved by the grace of the Lord through the blood of Christ.

 

[resurrection33]

LOL. Birds of a feather I guess.

You aren't making yourself clear, so I will make an assumption. You think it is unnecessary to obey the Lord's commandments. I think you will find you are wrong. The Lord will save us from the messes we get ourselves into, but he expects us to learn from our mistakes. The people who are working hard to obey the Lord have been rewarded, or soon will be. Those who aren't working hard to obey the Lord already have their reward.

 

[resurrection33]

Scripture tells us it is through grace we are saved. It says our works do not save us, it is only God who can do that for us. Scripture tells us it is by our fruits (works) we are known by, and that we will be judged by our works. It also says we are saved by grace.

It is all, every bit true. One truth cannot be eliminated.

We need to understand that scripture is a Hebrew document, written by God through men who are Hebrew. Some say Luke wasn't, but he had a Hebrew mother. Men who think like Hebrews know there are several meanings expressed in that language. When scripture tells of physical happenings, there is symbolism and spiritual meaning also. For instance, the word faith to a Hebrew means that something is believed in so solidly that actions result from that belief. In the Greek language faith can be spoken of without a thought of actions.

The Lord requires our actions based on our faith in Him, but we are not saved by those actions. We are saved by the grace of the Lord through the blood of Christ.

It is through grace that we are saved, but the Lord expects us to learn from our mistakes.

 

[resurrection33]

LOL. Birds of a feather I guess.

You aren't making yourself clear, so I will make an assumption. You think it is unnecessary to obey the Lord's commandments. I think you will find you are wrong. The Lord will save us from the messes we get ourselves into, but he expects us to learn from our mistakes. The people who are working hard to obey the Lord have been rewarded, or soon will be. Those who aren't working hard to obey the Lord already have their reward.

I do have to wonder, though, what has you so angry that you've felt the need to do two "sarcastic eye rolls" on me.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

It is through grace that we are saved, but the Lord expects us to learn from our mistakes.

so if we do not learn from ALL our mistakes, God kicks us out of his family?

And is this not "excusing" our mistakes?

 

[resurrection33]

so if we do not learn from ALL our mistakes, God kicks us out of his family?

And is this not "excusing" our mistakes?

No, the Lord doesn't kick us out of his family. When we sin, he disciplines us, and when the discipline is complete, he forgives us. As for for your second question, I don't understand it.

 

[garee]

Its seems easy. Because we cannot serve two masters . We must chose works as a righteousness of one self , or Grace the free gift of Christ that comes from His work of faith? There is no limbo or purgatory in between

Romans 11:6 And if by grace, then is it no more of works: otherwise grace is no more grace. But if it be of works, then it is no more grace: otherwise work is no more work.

 

[FreeNChrist]

I do have to wonder, though, what has you so angry that you've felt the need to do two "sarcastic eye rolls" on me.

LOL. I'm not angry, I'm amazed.

 

[eternally-gratefull]

No, the Lord doesn't kick us out of his family. When we sin, he disciplines us, and when the discipline is complete, he forgives us. As for for your second question, I don't understand it.

Oh his discipline has to be complete? That's funny, When I disciplined my child. I forgave them BEFORE I disciplined them. Am I somehow more of a father than God.

Jesus forgave us on the cross. As he said, Forgive them, they know not what they do.

Excusing our mistakes, Saying it is ok to sin, because they are just mistakes, Repent and move on..

Instead of taking ownership of our sin, and giving it to God and moving on.

 

[followjesus]

Oh his discipline has to be complete? That's funny, When I disciplined my child. I forgave them BEFORE I disciplined them. Am I somehow more of a father than God.

Jesus forgave us on the cross. As he said, Forgive them, they know not what they do.

Excusing our mistakes, Saying it is ok to sin, because they are just mistakes, Repent and move on..

Instead of taking ownership of our sin, and giving it to God and moving on.

Excusing our mistakes, Saying it is ok to sin, because they are just mistakes, Repent and move on..

Instead of taking ownership of our sin, and giving it to God and moving on.

God says its ok to sin? so then when your kid sets a fire in His room, you just forgive the kid, and dont teach the kid better? warn Him of the dangers of fire? and expect Him to stop setting fires? or just tell Him " its okay to set fires i forgive you because i love you? what happens when the kid thinks " its okay to set fires because im forgiven i can never be burned? God is warning us plainly that to continue sinning will lead to destruction, so id say Hes definately a better Parent, id rather be forgiven and taught right so that i dont end up burning.....thats Love to show the path that is safe and secure, and warn of danger. Not just i forgive you, but i forgive you now go and change what you are doing

 

[eternally-gratefull]

Excusing our mistakes, Saying it is ok to sin, because they are just mistakes, Repent and move on..

Instead of taking ownership of our sin, and giving it to God and moving on.

God says its ok to sin? so then when your kid sets a fire in His room, you just forgive the kid, and dont teach the kid better? warn Him of the dangers of fire? and expect Him to stop setting fires? or just tell Him " its okay to set fires i forgive you because i love you? what happens when the kid thinks " its okay to set fires because im forgiven i can never be burned? God is warning us plainly that to continue sinning will lead to destruction, so id say Hes definately a better Parent, id rather be forgiven and taught right so that i dont end up burning.....thats Love to show the path that is safe and secure, and warn of danger. Not just i forgive you, but i forgive you now go and change what you are doing

Did I say we do not chasten out children or did I not.

Please explain.. because this is prety bad..

Do you discipline children who are ot your own? God said he does not.. WHat does that mean?

 

[Stephen63]

You aren't making yourself clear, so I will make an assumption. You think it is unnecessary to obey the Lord's commandments. I think you will find you are wrong. The Lord will save us from the messes we get ourselves into, but he expects us to learn from our mistakes. The people who are working hard to obey the Lord have been rewarded, or soon will be. Those who aren't working hard to obey the Lord already have their reward.

Amen, bro.

 

[Stephen63]

I do have to wonder, though, what has you so angry that you've felt the need to do two "sarcastic eye rolls" on me.

Don't feel bad..... he does that to everybody who doesn't agree with him.

 

[LaurenTM]

TWO eye rolls?

I'm getting dizzy...............

I'll have a mocha roll with lots of icing please

 

[Demi777]

^^^^order me one too^^^

 

[Stephen63]

Excusing our mistakes, Saying it is ok to sin, because they are just mistakes, Repent and move on..

Instead of taking ownership of our sin, and giving it to God and moving on.

God says its ok to sin? so then when your kid sets a fire in His room, you just forgive the kid, and dont teach the kid better? warn Him of the dangers of fire? and expect Him to stop setting fires? or just tell Him " its okay to set fires i forgive you because i love you? what happens when the kid thinks " its okay to set fires because im forgiven i can never be burned? God is warning us plainly that to continue sinning will lead to destruction, so id say Hes definately a better Parent, id rather be forgiven and taught right so that i dont end up burning.....thats Love to show the path that is safe and secure, and warn of danger. Not just i forgive you, but i forgive you now go and change what you are doing

I agree.

 

[LaurenTM]

^^^^order me one too^^^

 

[Stephen63]

You have alot of human works in there you claim one must do to be saved from what I see

If salvation is dependent on them, one must save themselves. and man gets the credit.

If however, The "work of men" in obedience, working out your salvation, and bearing good fruit is a "result" or "Byproduct" of salvation. Then you have grace through faith, and not of ourselves. and God gets all the glory.

What you grace and works people do not understand, is trying to add works to grace, nullifies grace, and makes it of no effect (those are pauls words not mine)

Grace and faith PRODUCE WORKS, as a product of BEING SAVED. Grace and works, produce more death.

That's what happens when you read everything thru lazy-grace glasses..... total misunderstanding.

Now, when you go back to talking like you have some sense (I've heard it), we will discuss. But not while you're in your fake anti-legalist mode.

 

[Demi777]

I can verily tell you that if u gimmie that whole roll I will eat it all and gain another few pounds I dont want..not even to talk bout the heartburn.....hmm where is the Mylanta and lets go!