Sabbath

LoveGodForever · Jun 20, 2017

Hi Grandpa, thanks for your message. So your accusing me of twisting the scriptures? So which scriptures are you accusing me of twisting and how have they been twisted? I think I am providing scripture for everything I say, but twisting? Definitely not.

Is God's Word carnal to your understanding? Pray and ask Jesus and he will help you.

You do know already that I do not believe we are saved by the Works of the Law yet you keep repeating this why?

If I have already told you that I do not believe we are saved by keeping the Law and you tell everyone this is what I am saying, is this a lie on your part?

Please go back and re-read our correspondence for a refresher if you like. I am happy to chat with you further.

God Bless you my friend, maybe I am just tired and misunderstanding your post. If this is so please accept my apologies. I think its time for me to get some rest chat latter.

Lifelike · Jun 20, 2017

beta said:

They aren't disobedient, they just haven't got the revelation yet. And are serving God in many ways and many love God with their whole heart. I didn't always know about the sabbath, and it was a revelation to me, and it's a beautiful revelation but I wasn't always here. Before I knew of how special the sabbath day was I served God wonderfully and flourished and lived a very blessed life. Now I have this added to me. And I'm sure the church 150 years from now with be in much more light.

Grace777x70 · Jun 20, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Post #865 is not answering the questions directly - it's skirting the answer. Answer straight. I'll give it the old "one more try for the Kipper"...( it's a US saying...

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You can say "Yes - if you do not observe the Sabbath from Friday night until Saturday as outlined in the law - then you are sinning and disobeying God - or you could say - No, you re not disobeying God. "

You could say "Yes- I believe that God throws His children into hell - or no, I don't believe God throws His children into hell."

See how easy it is to answer directly? Give it a shot. Speak honestly and forthright and we can see what you are really saying. I like to take religions for test runs to see what is really in them. Thank you

beta · Jun 20, 2017

Lifelike said:

Neither did I know about the sabbath for the best part of my life having been brought up RC I was as good as I could be in my 'sunday life...but we know that our own goodness does not count for much with God...it's HIS good works that matter which He teaches us to do on His Holy day. That is what I get from scripture.

beta · Jun 20, 2017

Lifelike said:

I can understand your desire to worship with a congregation on the sabbath, I'm blessed enough to, but I wouldn't let it keep you from finding a good church and fellowshipping on a Sunday. I would practice the sabbath in your own way in that I would not work, and I would set Saturday aside to be with God. It's VITALLY important that we are connected with the body and are able to grow in love and learn to move in our gifts to serve one another. Your not sinning by going to a church service on Sunday, and I think it's great to have a higher revelation regarding God's holy day, and honouring Him in it, but we need to be careful not to forsake the more important things. And trust God to lead you to a group of like minded believers, He certainly can do it! I could go to a different service every day if the week but my heart would still love the sabbath to a higher level, just as God does! Bless.

Not necessarily with a congregation if there is'nt one. our fellowship is with the Father and the Son...you know when 2 or 3 are gathered together...does not have to be people...or a church.

beta · Jun 20, 2017

Lifelike said:

True, they may not have revelation but they have SCRIPTURE...what's stopping them from DOING what they are told in Word Jas 1v21-25. We can't go through life being hearers only...won't get us anywhere in the end ! It's time people woke up from their alltoo comfortable position Eph 5v14; Rom 13v11. It's time to start doing the good works of God.

Grandpa · Jun 20, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Its not really your fault. I just must be tired of explaining this over and over to SDA's that can't/won't understand.

You are providing scripture, just a misunderstanding of that scripture.

The Law is written on our hearts and minds. But its not the 10 commandments that are written, like you are trying to claim.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
[FONT=&quot]7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Death and Condemnation isn't written on our hearts and minds. That's the subtle twist that SDA's and Hebrew Roots try to use to justify their work at the law and try to show their "understanding" of the law.

Romans 8:1-2
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[FONT=&quot]1 There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

We are free from the law of sin and death. We can't be free of it if its written on our hearts and minds.

So something else must be written on our hearts and minds...

Which brings us to the ministration of the Spirit. The law of the spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. This is what is written on our hearts and minds, as Christians when we come to Christ. Love, Joy, Peace, Faith is written on our hearts and placed in our minds.

If we go back to our work at the law we have placed ourselves back under the law of sin and death. Why? If the Jews couldn't do it why can anyone else?

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

It should be glaringly obvious if you are looking back to the law to try and obey it you are entangling yourself again in the yoke of bondage.

This isn't about your silly catch phrase 'we aren't saved by our works at the law'. That is completely obvious and the reason you don't say it. But the fact remains you justify your work at the law. And you twist scripture to make it look like a Christian should. That's how you twist scripture.

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gotime · Jun 20, 2017

Grandpa said:

Its not really your fault. I just must be tired of explaining this over and over to SDA's that can't/won't understand.

You are providing scripture, just a misunderstanding of that scripture.

The Law is written on our hearts and minds. But its not the 10 commandments that are written, like you are trying to claim.

2 Corinthians 3:7-9
7 But if the ministration of death, written and engraven in stones, was glorious, so that the children of Israel could not stedfastly behold the face of Moses for the glory of his countenance; which glory was to be done away:
8 How shall not the ministration of the spirit be rather glorious?
9 For if the ministration of condemnation be glory, much more doth the ministration of righteousness exceed in glory.

Death and Condemnation isn't written on our hearts and minds. That's the subtle twist that SDA's and Hebrew Roots try to use to justify their work at the law and try to show their "understanding" of the law. Actually the problem here is how your framed this. If you would use scripture to show why it is death and condemnation you would see that it is so because the law is good an holy and spiritual but we are carnal. The problem is us not the law. Once you get a biblical reason for it being death even though it was ordained for life Paul says, you will stop giving your own personal opinion on why it brings death and condemnation. You will also realise that Paul teaches clearly in Romans that when the law is written on the heart the person naturally does what the law says. And He is speaking of the 10 in Romans 2. What you have failed to do is let scripture speak for itself, and you have added your own private interpretations. It says the law on stone brings condemnation and death, the same law on the heart does something different, it is life and rest from sin in Jesus.

Romans 8:1-2

1There is therefore now no condemnation to them which are in Christ Jesus, who walk not after the flesh, but after the Spirit.
2 For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.

We are free from the law of sin and death. We can't be free of it if its written on our hearts and minds. assumption without knowledge of the truth is error. You have not defined "law of sin" according to Paul is is the opposite of the law of God see here there are two:

Rom 7:22 For I delight in the law of God after the inward man:
Rom 7:23 But I see another law in my members, warring against the law of my mind, and bringing me into captivity to the law of sin which is in my members.

The law of sin is not the law of God and the law of God is the 10 commandments according to Paul who quoted them earlier in this passage and called them spiritual good right etc.

So something else must be written on our hearts and minds...

Which brings us to the ministration of the Spirit. The law of the spirit of Life in Christ Jesus. This is what is written on our hearts and minds, as Christians when we come to Christ. Love, Joy, Peace, Faith is written on our hearts and placed in our minds.

If we go back to our work at the law we have placed ourselves back under the law of sin and death. Why? If the Jews couldn't do it why can anyone else. Please read your bible. You must define "work at the law" The Bible makes it about trying to be saved by works rather than by grace through faith in Jesus. There is a world of difference between someone who tries to keep the law to earn salvation and someone who by nature keeps the law because God has changed their heart. It is your logical and irrational view of the law that is the problem here. The law is not the problem it was given to show us our sin and lead us to Jesus in order to be saved from sin. Sin is breaking the law, If you are saved from it it means you are no longer a slave to it and thus you by nature are keeping it because you are free from sin.

Acts 15:10 Now therefore why tempt ye God, to put a yoke upon the neck of the disciples, which neither our fathers nor we were able to bear?
Galatians 2:21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.
Galatians 5:1 Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.

It should be glaringly obvious if you are looking back to the law to try and obey it you are entangling yourself again in the yoke of bondageeWhy is it that you people who claim to know Galatians and acts so well clearly ignore what they say? Don't get me wrong you quote the bits you twist but ignore the bits that don't agree with you. It is most clear that the main issue is circumcision and you can't deny it, anyone who reads those passages can see it without any help needed. Has Christ made us free from spirituality? Has he made you free from loving God or your neighbour? Has he made you free from not killing? Any thoughtful person knows this is not so. so then he did not make us free from the requirements of the law but rather the penalty and condemnation of the law.

If the law was the problem then we would not need born again once the law was done with. We need to be born again cause the law is not the problem it is us. So salvation needs to change us not the law. Jesus did not come to free us from law but breaking it, otherwise known as sin. which is what the law shows.

1Jn 3:4 Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
1Jn 3:5 And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.

This isn't about your silly catch phrase 'we aren't saved by our works at the law'. That is completely obvious and the reason you don't say it. But the fact remains you justify your work at the law. And you twist scripture to make it look like a Christian should. That's how you twist scripture.

How do you not see this, or maybe you do but deny it. I think that you have fooled yourself into believing a lie, And I think I know why. Just like the atheist who tricks themselves into believing there is not God when they deep down know there is. They do it because of their sin, if they accept there is a God then they have to accept that they are accountable to Him.

Christians have done the same thing only instead of eliminating God they eliminate His law. Essentially doing the same thing as the atheist. All to feel ok in their sin. But deep down you know that what you are saying makes no sense and is not biblical. Why not repent and let God write His law in your heart to soften it that you no longer be enslaved to sin free in Christ born again a new creature in Christ.

JoDel · Jun 20, 2017

beta said:

"Not be personally instructed apart from His commanded assemblies"? Luke 12:12 "The Holy Spirit will give you the words to say AT THE MOMENT WHEN you need them". John 16:13 "However, When HE, the Spirit of Truth has come, He will direct you into all truth...". How much more "personally instructed" can you get? By the Holy Spirit Himself... "AT THE MOMENT WHEN..." I see nothing in the Word about only receiving instruction on the Sabbath.

JoDel · Jun 20, 2017

RIGHT ON!!! TRUTH! I never tire of it... Grace777, thank you for saving me all of that typing!

JoDel · Jun 20, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Thank you for your prayers - I ask that you pray Paul's prayers in Eph 1: 16-18 and Eph 3:14-19 I will do the same for you my friend.

On the contrary my friend - I have used the word of God to show that we are to live by Christ inside of us and not by the law of Moses.

You simply refuse to believe what Christ has done and that the true Christian is not under the law anymore and you are free to believe what you want but people will stand against anything that is contrary to the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's work on the cross and resurrection.

I am not attacking you personally - I am refuting your Sabbath keeping false doctrine that nullifies the grace of God in Christ's work by trying to get others to live by the law instead of Christ Himself.

I do know the meaning of the blind leading the blind - I "see" it every day in some of these threads. They are exchanging Christ Himself for their law keeping.

I encourage you to check out Sparkman's threads as they are very enlightening to this topic of Sabbath Keeping.

I will ask this question though -

If people don't observe the Sabbath day from Friday night until Saturday as the law of Moses speaks about - are they disobeying God and sinning? Thank you for being honest with us here so that we can see what is really being said.

I see that you still have not answered my question for the 3rd time - do you believe that our loving Father sends His beloved children that are babies in Christ to hell?

Thank you for answering these 2 questions so that we can see what is really being said.

Have a great work day and bless you.[/QUOTE
Right On Grace 777! TRUTH! I NEVER TIRE OF IT! (thanks for saving me from a LOT of typing)

LoveGodForever · Jun 20, 2017

Hello Grandpa thank you for your post and always nice to chat with you. Hope your day has been a great one today.

Grandpa said:

You seem to make a lot of assumptions about me that are just not true. If you think I have a misunderstanding of scripture I am happy to receive correction from you but just saying that I have a misunderstanding of scripture does not make this a statement true. God wants all his children to be like the faithful Bereans and examined the scriptures every day to see if what someone is saying is true or not true (Acts 17:11). Studying to shew yourself approved unto God, a workman that need not to be ashamed, rightly dividing the word of truth. (2Tim 2:15) Sanctifying the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asks you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear.” (1Pet 3:15) If you believe this to be true please by all means show me and state your case from the Word of God.

Grandpa said:

Grandpa let’s look at the verses of the new covenant again and look a bit deeper to see if we can find out what it is referring too when it says the laws are to be written in our hearts. Let’s start with the scripture…

“For this is the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel after those days, says the Lord; I will put my laws into their mind, and write them in their hearts: and I will be to them a God, and they shall be to me a people: And they shall not teach every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the Lord: for all shall know me, from the least to the greatest. For I will be merciful to their unrighteousness, and their sins and their iniquities will I remember no more.” (Heb 8:10-12)

The scripture quoted above does not originate in the book of Hebrews its origin is in the Old Testament from the book of Jeremiah 31:31-34 and has always been part of God’s plan of salvation.

“But this shall be the covenant that I will make with the house of Israel; after those days, says the LORD, I will put my law in their inward parts, and write it in their hearts; and will be their God, and they shall be my people. And they shall teach no more every man his neighbour, and every man his brother, saying, Know the LORD: for they shall all know me, from the least of them unto the greatest of them, says the LORD: for I will forgive their iniquity, and I will remember their sin no more.” (Jer 31:33-34)

If you go back to the original Greek and Hebrew meaning there is some slight variation but generally the same meanings. Although these words can mean slightly more.

Greek meaning of law (in Hebrews 8:10)
νόμος
nomos
n. The body of law, especially that governing human behaviour.

Hebrew meaning of the law (in Jeremiah 31:31-34)
תּורה תּרה
tôrâh tôrâh
to-raw', to-raw'
From H3384; a precept or statute, especially the Decalogue or Pentateuch: - law.
The Decalogue is the 10 commandments of God’s Law

The context of both the books of Jeremiah and Hebrews is the captivity of God’s people which was caused by them sinning against God and we know that “sin is the transgression of God’s Law” (1John 3:4). So you can see very clearly that the word Law referred to in both scripture references in meaning and context is referring to God’s Law (the 10 commandments) which are to be written on the heart of God’s people in the new covenant.

Grandpa said:

I have no problem with the scriptures quoted above they are referring to the new covenant which we have just been talking about above which is God’s Laws written on our heart. Absolutely agree with you that death and condemnation is not written in our hearts because this is the wages of sin (Rom 6:23) God now changes our heart to love him with all our heart and to love our neighbour as ourselves. It is through love that God’s people keep His laws not that they are trying to keep His laws to earn salvation but because God has changed their hearts to love him and walk in his ways because as sinners they are completely dependent on the promises of God’s Word and through faith believe God and it is God that changes them and frees them from the sins they once served (see also Psalms 51 and highlighted in verse 10).

Grandpa said:

I love those scriptures you quoted this is also the new covenant. We are indeed free from the law of sin and death because of what Jesus has done for us as we have faith in His Words.

Grandpa said:

On the contrary Jesus tells us whoever commits sin is the servant of sin (John 8:34) and if the son shall make you free you shall be free indeed (John 8:36). The new covenant is about Jesus freeing us from our sins…..
“Being then made free from sin, ye became the servants of righteousness.” (Rom 6:18)
“For when ye were the servants of sin, ye were free from righteousness.” (Rom 6:20)
“But now being made free from sin, and become servants to God, ye have your fruit unto holiness, and the end everlasting life.” (Rom 6:22)
“For the law of the Spirit of life in Christ Jesus hath made me free from the law of sin and death.” (Rom 8:2)

Grandpa said:

Well as you can see it is not something else that is written in our hearts, but it is simply just as the Word of God says in Hebrews 8:10-12 and Jeremiah 31:31-34 which is God’s Laws. God’s Word is just as it says. Everything can be summed up with the same scriptures used in the same chapter you quoted….[SUP]“[/SUP]For a person is not a Jew who is one outwardly, and true circumcision is not something visible in the flesh. On the contrary, a person is a Jew who is one inwardly, and circumcision is of the heart—by the Spirit, not the letter. That man’s praise is not from men but from God.” (Rom 2:28-29) This is the law of the Spirit of Life in Christ Jesus which brings the fruit of the spirit as we have complete dependence and faith in the Word of God to do what it says it will do. All the scriptures complement each other when viewed in context.

Grandpa said:

How is the phrase “we aren’t saved by our works of the law” a silly catch phrase? This is God’s Word not mine. If I don’t say this phrase, how can it be my silly catch phrase? How do you say I justify my works of the Law? I do not say this at all. Well I don’t believe your last statement at all because I have never said or claimed any of the above accusations. It has never been about doing works for salvation my friend. It has always been about Jesus and His work of saving us from our sins. How do we know that we really know Jesus?

“And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments. He that says, I know him, and keeps not his commandments, is a liar, and the truth is not in him. But whoso keeps his word, in him verily is the love of God perfected: hereby know we that we are in him.” (1John 2:3-4)

I hope all the above is helpful my friend. I have to get to work now but happy to chat with you latter if you like.

May God bless you as you seek Him in prayer who loved us and washed us in His own blood. To Him be the Glory forever and ever AMEN.

Grace777x70 · Jun 20, 2017

JoDel said:

Amen...We need to be boldly proclaiming the truth of the gospel of the grace of God in Christ's finished work on the cross and resurrection.

Ephesians 6:19 (NASB)
[SUP]19 [/SUP] and pray on my behalf, that utterance may be given to me in the opening of my mouth, to make known with boldness the mystery of the gospel,

Paul didn't stand for one hour the spiritual manipulation and distortion of the gospel by the Judaziers that came and tried to get the Galatians to follow the law - so that the truth of the gospel would remain with them..

Galatians 2:4-5 (NASB)
[SUP]4 [/SUP] But it was because of the false brethren secretly brought in, who had sneaked in to spy out our liberty which we have in Christ Jesus, in order to bring us into bondage.

[SUP]5 [/SUP] But we did not yield in subjection to them for even an hour, so that the truth of the gospel would remain with you.

LoveGodForever · Jun 20, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Dear Grace777,

Do you think you need to apply God's Words to yourself? I think you need to read your Bible. Please no more false accusations. No one is here is trying to get anyone to follow the law my friend but only to follow Jesus who is the complete Word of God. There is no need to attack the messenger because you can't attack the messages that come from God's Word. Do you love Jesus Grace777? Something to think about? Wishing you only love and peace and joy in the Holy Ghost. To him be the glory forever and ever. AMEN

God bless you

Grace777x70 · Jun 20, 2017

LoveGodForever said:

Sorry buddy - I told you before that I don't fall for spiritual manipulation.

You still refuse to answer my questions by being honest with us. Instead of answering forth-right - you string unrelated out of context verses that don't address the questions.

Here it is again:

You can say "Yes - if you do not observe the Sabbath from Friday night until Saturday as outlined in the law - then you are sinning and disobeying God - or you could say - No, you re not disobeying God. "

You could say "Yes - I believe that God throws His children into hell - or no, I don't believe God throws His children into hell."

See how easy it is to answer directly? Give it a shot. Speak honestly and forthright and we can see what you are really saying. I like to take religions for test runs to see what is really in them. Thank you

Here is a link to a new thread that speaks about a deception that is to do with Sabbath Keepers.

http://christianchat.com/bible-disc...essianic-jew-inconsistencies.html#post3147404

Part of a quote from it.

I don't know if you're aware of it, but it is common for Sabbathkeepers to claim that the Mark of the Beast is Sabbathbreaking, or it will be Sabbathbreaking in the end times.

LoveGodForever · Jun 20, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

Hi Grace777,

Post 865 and the many re-posts of the same scriptures I have already sent you clearly answer your questions above. Maybe you would like to tell everyone how what I posted from God's Word does not answer your questions? If you reject God's Word you reject God my friend not me.

God bless you

Grace777x70 · Jun 20, 2017

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JoDel · Jun 20, 2017

JoDel said:

Excuse me for butting in on this conversation. I have followed it from the onset.... Matt. 5:17 "Do not think that I have come to destroy the law or the prophets. I did not come to destroy, but to FULFILL". "Luke 24:44 "Then He said to them, 'These are the words which I spoke to you while I was still with you, that all things must be fulfilled which were written in the Law of Moses and the Prophets and the Psalms, concerning Me". The finished work of the cross, God's finished work, was Jesus nailed to it and dying on it. Once He said, "It is finished", fulfilled ALL He had referred to. Romans 8:2 "For the law of the Spirit of life IN Christ Jesus, has made me free from the law of sin and death". ~Tell me again why Jesus endured cruel and brutal beatings by mans hands? Tell me why He endured the beating of whips and canes transforming His body unrecognizable? Tell me why He endured public humiliation and abuse? Tell me why He accepted and endured the crown of 4" long thorns being brutally crammed IN, not on, but IN HIS head? Tell me why He voluntarily allowed "man" to drive 9" nails into His hands into the cross? Tell me why He suffered the dislocation of His shoulders as they stretched His arms out on the cross? Tell me why He endured 9" nails to be driven through His feet, into the cross? Tell me why He endured suffocation of being crucified as His lungs were forced into His rib cage? Tell me why, after all of this was done to Him and He was ready to "release" His spirit from His body, He cried out...IT IS FINISHED!? ~ Please, let me tell you from the Word of God... John 19:28 "After this, Jesus knowing that all things were NOW accomplished, that the Scripture might be fulfilled, said, "I thirst". vs 36 "It happened this way to fulfill the Hebrew scriptures, that "not one of His bones shall be broken".He fulfilled ALL that had been written about Him in the Law, the Prophets and the Psalms. Romans 8:2 "...because when you live in the Anointed One, Jesus, A NEW LAW TAKES EFFECT. The LAW OF the SPIRIT of LIFE breathes into you and Liberates you from the law of sin and death. 2 Cor 3:6 Now God has equipped us to be capable servants of the NEW COVENANT, NOT by authority of the WRITTEN LAW, which only brings death, BUT BY THE SPIRIT WHO BRINGS LIFE. Jesus, my Jesus accomplished and fulfilled ALL He said He would so that I ... and anyone reading this, could LIVE in rightstanding with God, our Father... instead of under the curse of the Law which brings death. The FINISHED WORK OF THE CROSS FREED US FROM THE CONDEMNATION OF THE LAW. THAT'S WHAT MY JESUS DID.

(the conversation between LoveGodForever and Grandpa and Grace 777)

JoDel · Jun 20, 2017

Grace777x70 said:

BWAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! I need to stop drinking things while reading in the forums! I seem to spew whatever is in my mouth all over my laptop when I see things like this! ^^^

Grandpa · Jun 21, 2017

gotime said:

Its in black and white. The 10 commandments are the ministration of death and condemnation to us. Because we aren't Perfect like our Father in Heaven is Perfect. But if we suddenly were perfect then the requirements in the 10 commandments would no longer be death and condemnation.

This isn't opinion. This is fact. The 10 commandments are the ministration of death and condemnation.

Galatians 3:21 [FONT=&quot]Is the law then against the promises of God? God forbid: for if there had been a law given which could have given life, verily righteousness should have been by the law.

[/FONT]The law written on our hearts is a whole different thing. Its not something that causes us to work at our understanding of the law. It is what is the cause of the fulfillment of the law. And it is a gift, not our own work.

We aren't given rest from sin. We are given rest from our work at the law. Because our Righteousness comes from Christ and not our own work.

Faith without works is dead. lol.

You can say with your words that you don't work at the law to be saved. But yet you still work at the law. Why? You're not resting on saturdays by nature. That is silly. You are resting on saturdays because of your understanding of the law.

Your carnal understanding of the law IS the problem. No one is justified by it. And yet, you are trying to be justified by it....

Galatians isn't mainly about circumcision. Galatians is about Christians who have started in the Spirit through the Lord Jesus Christ and have gone BACKWARD to their carnal understanding of the law. Part of that carnal understanding was physical circumcision, yes.

There is no reason to go backward to your carnal understanding and work at the law for those who are in Christ Jesus.

Galatians 5:1 [FONT=&quot]Stand fast therefore in the liberty wherewith Christ hath made us free, and be not entangled again with the yoke of bondage.
[/FONT]Galatians 5:4 [FONT=&quot]Christ is become of no effect unto you, whosoever of you are justified by the law; ye are fallen from grace.[/FONT]

God has written His Law on my heart and that is how I am able to tell you that it isn't the 10 commandments that are written there.

Romans 7:4-6
[FONT=&quot]4 Wherefore, my brethren, ye also are become dead to the law by the body of Christ; that ye should be married to another, even to him who is raised from the dead, that we should bring forth fruit unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 For when we were in the flesh, the motions of sins, which were by the law, did work in our members to bring forth fruit unto death.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 But now we are delivered from the law, that being dead wherein we were held; that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter.

2 Corinthians 3:4-6
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[FONT=&quot]4 And such trust have we through Christ to God-ward:[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]5 Not that we are sufficient of ourselves to think any thing as of ourselves; but our sufficiency is of God;[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]6 Who also hath made us able ministers of the new testament; not of the letter, but of the spirit: for the letter killeth, but the spirit giveth life.

Galatians 2:18-21
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[FONT=&quot]18 For if I build again the things which I destroyed, I make myself a transgressor.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]19 For I through the law am dead to the law, that I might live unto God.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]20 I am crucified with Christ: nevertheless I live; yet not I, but Christ liveth in me: and the life which I now live in the flesh I live by the faith of the Son of God, who loved me, and gave himself for me.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]21 I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vain.

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[FONT=&quot]11 But that no man is justified by the law in the sight of God, it is evident: for, The just shall live by faith.[/FONT]
[FONT=&quot]12 And the law is not of faith: but, The man that doeth them shall live in them.

You have confused Gods Law with the Law of Moses. Most people who want to justify their work at Moses Law do this. If you've had Gods Laws written on your heart you should know what they are and what they are not.[/FONT]
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