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Roughsoul1991

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Time series -- this arrangement of past, present and future -- isn't simply the way life comes to us but is the way all things really exist. We tend to assume that the whole universe and God Himself are always moving on from a past to a future just as we are. But many learned men don't agree with that. I think it was the Theologians who first started the idea that some things are not in Time at all. Later, the Philosophers took it over. And now some of the scientists are doing the same.

Almost certainly God is not in Time. His life doesn't consist of moments following one another. If a million people are praying to Him at ten-thirty tonight, He hasn't got to listen to them all in that one little snippet which we call "ten-thirty." Ten-thirty, and every other moment from the beginning to the end of the world, is always the Present for Him. If you like to put it that way, He has infinity in which to listen to the split second of prayer put up by a pilot as his plane crashes in flames.

That's difficult, I know. Can I try to give something, not the same, but a bit like it. Suppose I'm writing a novel. I write "Mary laid down her book; next moment came a knock at the door." For Mary, who's got to live in the imaginary time of the story, there's no interval between putting down the book and hearing the knock. But I, her creator, between writing the first part of that sentence and the second, may have gone out for an hour's walk and spent the whole hour thinking about Mary. I know that's not a perfect example, but it may just give a glimpse of what I mean. The point I want to drive home is that God has infinite attention, infinite leisure to spare for each one of us. He doesn't have to take us in the line. You're as much alone with Him as if you were the only thing He'd ever created.

C.S. Lewis


To me this explanation deeply pictures God as the reader of your life story. God isnt all controlling but limits his power to respect our free will. God can see your life birth to death. Not saying God doesnt ever intervene in our lives because he does. God wont stop you from drinking but your liver will. God may persuade you to stop with all his controlled capabilities but ultimately wont force you.

And so God can see if your death was from drinking but God also can see you make a decision today to stop. Therfore changing your story as he reads it. But ultimately God can see all.

To me this is how if all are called to be saved he predestinedly knows who will be written in the book of life. Not choosing a select group but he can already see the deaths of everyone.

Just my thoughts on the matter.
 
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BeyondET

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good read,

Mankinds minute is like a million years to God.
 

notmyown

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All the inhabitants of the earth are accounted as nothing, But He does according to His will in the host of heaven And among the inhabitants of earth; And no one can ward off His hand Or say to Him, 'What have You done?' (Dan 4:35)

The LORD has established His throne in the heavens, And His sovereignty rules over all. (Ps 103:19)

But our God is in the heavens; He does whatever He pleases. (Ps 115:3)

Whatever the LORD pleases, He does, In heaven and in earth, in the seas and in all deeps. (Ps 135:6)


some of God's thoughts on the same matter. :)
 

Prov910

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I hadn't read that passage from C.S. Lewis before. But I've long thought that God isn't constrained by linear time like we are.

And these thoughts go hand-in-hand with theories of predestination. Just this morning I was reading this passage where the Lord speaks to Heremiah:

4 The word of the Lord came to me, saying, 5“Before I formed you in the womb I knew a you, before you were born I set you apart; I appointed you as a prophet to the nations.”

Since God is our past, present and future all at the same time (our time, that is), He knows the outcome of our life--whether our name is written in the Book. He knows the next sentence I am going to type even before I type it. That would cut towards predestination. But me, I don't know what the future holds in store for me. And I have the freedom to choose. So that, for me, cuts towards free will.

Just some thoughts I've been mulling around in regards to the concept of time, and how time relates to us and to God.
 

mailmandan

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Romans 8:30 - Moreover whom He predestined, these He also called; whom He called, these He also justified; and whom He justified, these He also glorified. ALL of them. Paul uses the past tense for a future event to stress it's certainty. This does not mean that God fatalistically determines this outcome, but is based on whom He foreknew (vs. 29).
 
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good read, Mankinds minute is like a million years to God.
The scriptures says in 2 Peter 3:8 - With the Lord a day is like a thousand years, and a thousand years are like a day.

A thousand years by mankinds standards is a day with the Lord
 
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FreeNChrist

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Which is why those "time words" that we see in Scripture, like pre-destined and fore-knowledge, they are from our POV. For God there is no pre or fore, there is only the eternal "now". Because eternity is outside of our experience, it is outside of our ability to totally comprehend or explain.

It's like trying to explain brightness or colors to a blind man.
 
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BeyondET

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Which is why those "time words" that we see in Scripture, like pre-destined and fore-knowledge, they are from our POV. For God there is no pre or fore, there is only the eternal "now". Because eternity is outside of our experience, it is outside of our ability to totally comprehend or explain.

It's like trying to explain brightness or colors to a blind man.
Excuse me for this quick post but this reminded me of something I saw on the news the other day. touching story about seeing colors.

[video=youtube;Oi7FS5Xeags]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi7FS5Xeags[/video]
 

notmyown

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Excuse me for this quick post but this reminded me of something I saw on the news the other day. touching story about seeing colors.

well, thanks, now i'm crying too! :)

we have friends whose son (unbeknownst to them) had 20/200 vision as a young boy.
when he got his first pair of glasses at eight, he cried, the trees have individual leaves???

i can't forget Schuyler seeing leaves for the first time. thank God.
 
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Excuse me for this quick post but this reminded me of something I saw on the news the other day. touching story about seeing colors.

[video=youtube;Oi7FS5Xeags]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Oi7FS5Xeags[/video]

Amen.....beautiful my brother. It is the same thing for us when we see the true colors of our loving Father and our Lord's love and grace for us.
 
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BeyondET

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Amen.....beautiful my brother. It is the same thing for us when we see the true colors of our loving Father and our Lord's love and grace for us.
Indeed brother, gee got me thinking of a song you did.. Hehehe..

[video=youtube;slVOIiyC6yA]https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=slVOIiyC6yA[/video]