A GOOD RESPONSE TO THE THREE DAYS AND THREE NIGHTS ISSUE

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How Long Was Jesus in the Tomb?

The Gospels tell us that the day on which the women discovered that Jesus’ tomb was empty was Sunday morning. The Gospels say that the women came to the tomb “at dawn on the first day of the week” (Matthew 28:1), “very early on the first day of the week” (Mark 16:2), “on the first day of the week, very early in the morning” (Luke 24:1), or “early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark” (John 20:1). The women came to the tomb around dawn on the “first day of the week” (or Sunday), and found it empty. It appears from these accounts that Jesus was raised sometime during the early hours of Sunday morning.

The question remains: On what day of the week was Jesus crucified and buried in the tomb? Those who believe Jesus was crucified on Wednesday refer to Matthew 12:40. This verse has Jesus saying: “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion say that this statement means Jesus was exactly three days and three nights – or 72 hours – in the grave. Thus he was buried near sunset Wednesday evening and resurrected Saturday evening.

However, if we read the 20 other places in the New Testament in which Jesus and the apostles refer to the length of time he would spend in the tomb, we would be forced to conclude that they do not teach a literal three-day stay in the tomb. You may check the following verses where the length of time between Jesus’ death and burial, and his resurrection, is mentioned: Matthew 16:21); 17:23; 20:19; 26:61; 27:40, 64; Mark 9:31; 10:34; 14:58; 15:29; Luke 9:22; 13:32; 18:33 ; 24:7, 21, 46; John 2:19, 20; Acts 10:40; 1 Corinthians 15:4. In 20 places indefinite expressions such “on the third day he will be raised” are given as the length of time between these events.

Those who believe in a Wednesday crucifixion disregard the inexactness as to time in these passages and interpret them by Matthew 12:40 in a literal manner, as exactly 72 hours. But this line of reasoning creates a contradiction. For example, Matthew, who used the phrase “three days and three nights” to refer to the length of Jesus’ burial, also has him saying: “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life” (17:23, emphasis ours).

Taking the phrase in 12:40 “three days and three nights” as denoting exactly 72 hours creates an internal problem with 17:23 in the Gospel of Matthew. Here’s why. The elapsed time between being killed and then rising “on the third day,” as described in 17:23, is longer than the time between rising after being buried, as discussed in 12:40. Yet, 17:23 uses an expression (“on the third day”) that implies a shorter period of time – if we demand that Matthew 12:40 (“three days and three nights”) must be a literal 72 hours. For something to occur “on” the third day is for it to happen in less time than at the point when three literal days have passed. But Jesus was killed some time before he was buried. How, then, could the time between his death and resurrection be “on the third day” (or less than three literal days) but the time between his burial and resurrection be after three days or 72 hours?

Therefore, to demand that the phrase “three days and three nights” must be taken literally as a 72-hour period creates a contradiction within the Gospel of Matthew. The 72-hour theory also causes Matthew to be in conflict with what Mark, Luke, John and Paul say about the duration of time between Jesus’ death and burial, and his resurrection.

Yet, proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion still say that we should take Matthew 12:40 literally. Their view is that Jesus said he would be resurrected after three days and three nights in the tomb, and that is how we should read him. But, must we or should we take Matthew 12:40 literally?

Perhaps the source of the confusion over Matthew 12:40 occurs precisely because we try to read it in a literal fashion, as though it referred to a time period of exactly 72 hours. What we may be doing is reading our modern views of time exactness into an ancient figure of speech that didn’t contain it, or imposing our sense of precise time-telling on the ancient Jewish sense. In fact, Matthew 12:40 may be consistent with and reflect the way people thought of time in their day, not in our era.

Are there any biblical examples where “after three days and three nights” may not mean exactly 72 hours? Yes, 1 Samuel 30 is an example. The account in this chapter is about David and the Amalekites, and certain events in the village of Ziklag. Verse one tells us that, “David and his men reached Ziklag on the third day” (emphasis ours throughout). Upon arriving at Ziklag, David encountered an Egyptian, the slave of an Amalekite. He told David, “My master abandoned me when I became ill three days ago” (verse 13). The account also says that the Egyptian had not eaten or drunk for “three days and three nights” (verse 12).

“On the third day” is not necessarily three full days. In fact, it would be less than 72 hours. “Three days ago” is equally vague, as it could be less than three full days. Yet, this time is equated with “three days and three nights.” It’s certainly possible, or even probable, that we are not dealing with a full 72-hour period here. “Three days and three nights” could be an idiomatic expression that refers to parts of three days. 1 Samuel 30 indicates that “three days and three nights” was an expression that did not necessarily mean a full 72 hours. Other examples where variants of the expression “three days” are used includes the following passages: Genesis 42:17-18 (“for three days” = “on the third day”); 2 Chronicles 10:5 , 12 (“three days later” = “in three days”) and Esther 4:16–5:1 (“for three days” = “on the third day”).

Do we lose anything meaningful about Jesus’ death and resurrection if Matthew 12:40 is an inexact reference to the time lapse between these two events? The New Testament references mentioned above are inexact as measured by our time-telling standards, but they still establish the fact that Jesus was in the tomb for a long enough period of time that there would be no question he was dead. Being in the tomb parts of three days, perhaps about 36 hours (which a Friday crucifixion-Sunday resurrection would allow) is enough to demonstrate this.

However, proponents of a 72-hour burial say that how long Jesus was in the tomb was the sign that he gave of his messiahship. But is this true? While the apostles referred in a general manner to the length of time Jesus was dead and buried, they never used the chronological measurement as the proof. They used such expressions as “after three days” or “on the third day,” but they did not attempt to prove an exact length of time. The apostles spoke of the resurrection itself, not the length of time, as the proof that Jesus is the Messiah. It stands to reason that the fact of Jesus’ death and resurrection is what demonstrates him to be our Savior. Whether Jesus was in the tomb two days, three days or ten days has no bearing on the issue of his messiahship.

If we remember that the phrase “three days and three nights” is an expression of the disciples’ culture, rather than scientific exactness, then we should have no problem with understanding Matthew 12:40. The “sign” that Jesus gave was not the length of time that he would be in the tomb, but it was the fact that he would die, be buried and be raised to life. We need not be concerned about the exact time Jesus was in the tomb, for our salvation does not depend on that. What is important is that Jesus died and was resurrected to become our Savior (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).
 
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I would also recommend Ralph Woodrow's book "Three Days and Three Nights".

Ralph used to believe the "Three Days and Three Nights" assertion (Wednesday - Saturday) concerning the interval between the crucifixion and resurrection, but he recanted that view after examining the issue better.

I would also like to comment that regardless of the position one takes, those who don't hold the Wednesday-Friday position, but hold the Friday- Sunday position are NOT denying the crucifixion, death, and resurrection of Jesus like some heretics (Herbert Armstrong and his follows are some of those) have claimed. This is not a salvation issue like they attempt to make it into.

Even if they are right on the timing, they are divisive and seek to discredit Christianity over gnats, while swallowing camels themselves, like all cults.
 

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We need not be concerned about the exact time Jesus was in the tomb, for our salvation does not depend on that. What is important is that Jesus died and was resurrected to become our Savior (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).
I lean toward a Wednesday Passover crucifixion because Scripture supports such a view, though I never say Jesus had to be exactly seventy two hours in the tomb. Jesus does say He will be three days and three nights as Jonah was, and that I do take seriously, taking into account the fact that a partial day or night counts as a day or a night.

Crucifixion week:
Our Tuesday evening (Sunset started the 14th day of Exodus 10-12) Jesus ate the Passover meal with His disciples and instituted the bread and wine ceremony as a memorial to His death. That night He was betrayed, arrested, and taken to the High Priest's house. The next morning (our Wednesday, but a continuation of their Passover day) very early before the morning sacrifices began at the Temple, He was taken to the Sanhedrin. Peter denied Him, most likely about the time the Temple Criers were calling for the morning sacrifices to begin. (Not a rooster, Read Edershiem's history of the Temple, see the daily morning rituals
http://www.studylight.org/his/bc/edr/tem... )

After being shuttled back and forth between Herod and Pilate, He is finally condemned, tortured, and crucified, and died on the cross late Wednesday afternoon, and was placed in the tomb before the sunset that ended that day. This was the preparation day for the 1st High Sabbath of the year, the first day of Unleavened Bread (Again read the Exodus account and Leviticus 23).

This period of time from sunrise Wednesday to sunset Wednesday is also the preparation day for the High day Sabbath mentioned in John's account.

Night 1
Sunset Wednesday to Sunrise Thursday. The High Day Sabbath, the first day of Unleavened Bread, mentioned in John's account (19:31) began at this sunset

Day 1
Sunrise Thursday to sunset Thursday. It is still the High day Sabbath.

Night 2
Sunset Thursday to sunrise Friday began the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath.

Day 2
Sunrise Friday to sunset Friday. This is the daytime portion of the preparation day for the weekly Sabbath, during which the disciples prepared the spices for the final burial of Jesus.

Night 3
Sunset Friday to sunrise Saturday, the weekly Sabbath began at sunset Friday and the disciples rested according to the commandment.

Day 3
Sunrise Saturday (Sabbath) to just before sunset Saturday (Sabbath), Jesus is still in tomb, but resurrects the first day of the week, which starts immediately following Saturday evening, though the empty tomb is not discovered until morning. Messiah is resurrected three days and three nights after being placed in the grave before the start of the Feast of Unleavened Bread. It could have been exactly seventy two hours, but nobody knows the exact time of His resurrection, or even His burial, for that matter :)

 

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Here's where we need to start, at the end, I know it sounds dumb but hear me out. First let me say that I was a Thursday believer because that would put Jesus in the Tomb for the full time I thought, then I realized it was 2 days & 3 nights. Then I became a Wednesday believer, but the was 4 nights 3 days. Then I heard something that helped me come to me final conclusion, from "amazing facts", they said that the Tomb is not Hid death or tomb experience, after further research I've realized that it's more then the Tomb.

Here's where we need to start, at the end, I know it sounds dumb but hear me out.L
uke 24:13, 17-21 “Now behold, two of them were traveling that same day to a village called Emmaus, which was seven miles from Jerusalem……………….. 17 And He said to them, “What kind of conversation is this that you have with one another as you walk and are sad?”

18 Then the one whose name was Cleopas answered and said to Him, “Are You the only stranger in Jerusalem, and have You not known the things which happened there in these days?”

19 And He said to them, “What things?”

So they said to Him, “The things concerning Jesus of Nazareth, who was a Prophet mighty in deed and word before God and all the people, 20 and how the chief priests and our rulers delivered Him to be condemned to death, and crucified Him. 21 But we were hoping that it was He who was going to redeem Israel. Indeed, besides all this, today is the third day since these things happened.”

The disciples say that His, in the heart of the earth or grave experience included the chief priests and the rulers delivering Him to be condemned to death, and crucified, not since He was put in the Tomb or since He was
crucified. It started when He was delivered up to be condemned to death and crucified. Which happened at around 6am in the morning. John 18:28 "Then they led Jesus from Caiaphas to the Praetorium, and it was early morning. But they themselves did not go into the Praetorium, lest they should be defiled, but that they might eat the Passover." Jesus was delivered at around 6am. What day? With what the disciples in Luke 24:13 saying, "that same day" what same day, verse 1, the first day of the week, the day that Christ was raised. Verse 21, "today is the third day since these things have happened". So with the start being when they delivered Hid up for judgement and death and that was the start. That would make it a Thursday that He was delivered and crucified, then placed in the Tomb, raising on the third day, Sunday at 6 am in the morning. It doesn't matter if it included His arrest or not, it still places the resurrection day on Sunday, with a Thursday crucifixion.

Thursday delivered up, Sunday raised up or Thursday arrested and Thursday crucified. Since there are no details on the time of Jesus' arrest, it must not be part of His time in the heart of the earth. So from my research, his being handed over to Pilate is the time "that they made His grave with the wicked" Isaiah 53:9 "but with the rich in His death" Matthew 27:57-60 "
Now when evening had come, there came a rich man from Arimathea, named Joseph, who himself had also become a disciple of Jesus. 58 This man went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus. Then Pilate commanded the body to be given to him. 59 When Joseph had taken the body, he wrapped it in a clean linen cloth, 60 and laid it in his new tomb which he had hewn out of the rock; and he rolled a large stone against the door of the tomb, and departed."
 

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We know that Jesus celebrated the Passover in obedience to the commandments to do so given in Leviticus 23, Exodus 12 and Numbers 28:16-25. He began the events leading to His death by celebrating this event for which He instructed His disciples to prepare:

And the disciples went out, and came to the city, and found it just as
He (
Jesus) had told them; and they prepared the Passover. Mark 14:16

After eating the Passover meal,
Jesus went to the Garden of Gethsemane with the disciples to pray. (Matthew 26:36-46; Mark 14:32-42; Luke 22:40-46)

And they came to a place named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples,
"Sit here until I have prayed." Mark 14:32

After praying,
Jesus was arrested, tried and on the cross by 9 a.m. the next day.

And having arrested Him, they led Him away, and brought Him to the house of the high priest... Luke 22:54

Now when morning had come, all the chief priests and the elders of the people took counsel against
Jesusto put Him to death; [SUP]2[/SUP] and they bound Him, and led Him away, and delivered Him up to Pilate. Matthew 27:1-2

And it was the third hour when they crucified Him. Mark 15:25

As most everyone knows, Messiah died, was buried and resurrected. The traditional teaching says that
Jesus died on Friday, the weekly Sabbath, (good Friday) and arose on the following Sunday. However, Jesus said,

for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40

Is it possible to get three days AND three nights from Friday to Sunday? No, it is not. Therefore, from Jesus' own words we can see that this teaching cannot be correct. Therefore, exactly what did happen?

Leviticus 23 gives us the important and “missing” information in the traditional teaching.
Therefore, to understand what happened, let’s look at this missing info.

[SUP]5[/SUP]In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is God's Passover.
[SUP]
6[/SUP] 'Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to God; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.
[SUP]
7[/SUP] 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.
[SUP]
8[/SUP] 'But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to God. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.'"
Leviticus 23:5-8

This passage tells us that the Passover is on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] and the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins the 15[SUP]th[/SUP]; they are back-to-back. The first day (and the last day) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath. This is a “special” Sabbath, also called a “high Sabbath.” Therefore, the Sabbath for which
Jesus had to be removed from the cross was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not the weekly Sabbath. (The weekly Sabbath does play a part in Jesus' timeline, which we will shortly see.) Unlike the weekly Sabbath that is every Friday night to Saturday night, this special Sabbath can fall on any day of the week.

There are New Testament Scriptures that give us this information about this special Sabbath:

[SUP]52[/SUP]…this man (Joseph of Arimathea) went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
[SUP]
53[/SUP] And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid Him in a
tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain.
[SUP]
54[/SUP] And it was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
Luke 23:52-54

[SUP]31[/SUP] The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the
bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath
was a high day)
John 19:31

[SUP]42[/SUP] Therefore on account of the Jewish day of preparation, because
the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.
John 19:42

Passover is not a Sabbath. It is the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the (seven day) Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus died on Passover, but was removed from the cross before sunset, which began the High Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

[SUP]7[/SUP] 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.

On a Sabbath no work is done, therefore, the women could not prepare Jesus' body
for burial. Jesus was removed from the cross, wrapped in linen and placed in a tomb.

[SUP]46[/SUP] And Joseph bought a linen cloth, took Him down, wrapped Him in the linen cloth, and laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. Mark 15:46

Because of the encroaching High Sabbath, the linen wrapping was all that time allowed to be done for Jesus. Under the Torah (law) one could not buy or sell on a Sabbath.

As for the peoples of the land who bring wares or any grain on the Sabbath day to sell, we will not buy from them on the Sabbath or a holy day; Nehemiah 10:31

Therefore, the women could not obtain the necessary items to properly anoint His body and bury Jess. However, once the High Sabbath was over, the women could buy what they needed for this task.

And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. Mark 16:1

Since there were no food processors or machinery during the first century, this was a time consuming, laborious task. On the day after the High Sabbath, the women purchased the spices and spent the day preparing them to anoint Jesus' body. However, they were once again delayed, this time by the weekly Sabbath.
[SUP]
55[/SUP] Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed after,
and saw the tomb and how His body was laid.
[SUP]
56[/SUP] And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.
[SUP]
1[/SUP] But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared.
Luke 23:55 - 24:1

Thus far, Jesus has died, been placed in a tomb as the High Sabbath of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread began. The women were forced to wait for that evening and day to pass. The next morning after the Sabbath when the shops were open, they purchased the spices and prepared them to anoint Jesus' body. They then had to rest for the weekly Sabbath to pass. They waited until morning on the first day of the week, Sunday, to go to the tomb to prepare His body. When they arrived, the tomb was empty. Does this mean that Jesus arose on that day, or was tomb empty because He had already arisen?
The Two Sabbaths of Passover

To make all of these events fit, we can count backwards from the weekly Sabbath and figure out what evening Jesus and the disciples had the Passover meal and what day He was crucified. The timeline of events would look like this:

TimelineThreeDaysThreeNights.jpg
 

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How Long Was Jesus in the Tomb?

The Gospels tell us that the day on which the women discovered that Jesus’ tomb was empty was Sunday morning. The Gospels say that the women came to the tomb “at dawn on the first day of the week” (Matthew 28:1), “very early on the first day of the week” (Mark 16:2), “on the first day of the week, very early in the morning” (Luke 24:1), or “early on the first day of the week, while it was still dark” (John 20:1). The women came to the tomb around dawn on the “first day of the week” (or Sunday), and found it empty. It appears from these accounts that Jesus was raised sometime during the early hours of Sunday morning.

The question remains: On what day of the week was Jesus crucified and buried in the tomb? Those who believe Jesus was crucified on Wednesday refer to Matthew 12:40. This verse has Jesus saying: “For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth.” Proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion say that this statement means Jesus was exactly three days and three nights – or 72 hours – in the grave. Thus he was buried near sunset Wednesday evening and resurrected Saturday evening.

However, if we read the 20 other places in the New Testament in which Jesus and the apostles refer to the length of time he would spend in the tomb, we would be forced to conclude that they do not teach a literal three-day stay in the tomb. You may check the following verses where the length of time between Jesus’ death and burial, and his resurrection, is mentioned: Matthew 16:21); 17:23; 20:19; 26:61; 27:40, 64; Mark 9:31; 10:34; 14:58; 15:29; Luke 9:22; 13:32; 18:33 ; 24:7, 21, 46; John 2:19, 20; Acts 10:40; 1 Corinthians 15:4. In 20 places indefinite expressions such “on the third day he will be raised” are given as the length of time between these events.

Those who believe in a Wednesday crucifixion disregard the inexactness as to time in these passages and interpret them by Matthew 12:40 in a literal manner, as exactly 72 hours. But this line of reasoning creates a contradiction. For example, Matthew, who used the phrase “three days and three nights” to refer to the length of Jesus’ burial, also has him saying: “The Son of Man is going to be betrayed into the hands of men. They will kill him, and on the third day he will be raised to life” (17:23, emphasis ours).

Taking the phrase in 12:40 “three days and three nights” as denoting exactly 72 hours creates an internal problem with 17:23 in the Gospel of Matthew. Here’s why. The elapsed time between being killed and then rising “on the third day,” as described in 17:23, is longer than the time between rising after being buried, as discussed in 12:40. Yet, 17:23 uses an expression (“on the third day”) that implies a shorter period of time – if we demand that Matthew 12:40 (“three days and three nights”) must be a literal 72 hours. For something to occur “on” the third day is for it to happen in less time than at the point when three literal days have passed. But Jesus was killed some time before he was buried. How, then, could the time between his death and resurrection be “on the third day” (or less than three literal days) but the time between his burial and resurrection be after three days or 72 hours?

Therefore, to demand that the phrase “three days and three nights” must be taken literally as a 72-hour period creates a contradiction within the Gospel of Matthew. The 72-hour theory also causes Matthew to be in conflict with what Mark, Luke, John and Paul say about the duration of time between Jesus’ death and burial, and his resurrection.

Yet, proponents of a Wednesday crucifixion still say that we should take Matthew 12:40 literally. Their view is that Jesus said he would be resurrected after three days and three nights in the tomb, and that is how we should read him. But, must we or should we take Matthew 12:40 literally?

Perhaps the source of the confusion over Matthew 12:40 occurs precisely because we try to read it in a literal fashion, as though it referred to a time period of exactly 72 hours. What we may be doing is reading our modern views of time exactness into an ancient figure of speech that didn’t contain it, or imposing our sense of precise time-telling on the ancient Jewish sense. In fact, Matthew 12:40 may be consistent with and reflect the way people thought of time in their day, not in our era.

Are there any biblical examples where “after three days and three nights” may not mean exactly 72 hours? Yes, 1 Samuel 30 is an example. The account in this chapter is about David and the Amalekites, and certain events in the village of Ziklag. Verse one tells us that, “David and his men reached Ziklag on the third day” (emphasis ours throughout). Upon arriving at Ziklag, David encountered an Egyptian, the slave of an Amalekite. He told David, “My master abandoned me when I became ill three days ago” (verse 13). The account also says that the Egyptian had not eaten or drunk for “three days and three nights” (verse 12).

“On the third day” is not necessarily three full days. In fact, it would be less than 72 hours. “Three days ago” is equally vague, as it could be less than three full days. Yet, this time is equated with “three days and three nights.” It’s certainly possible, or even probable, that we are not dealing with a full 72-hour period here. “Three days and three nights” could be an idiomatic expression that refers to parts of three days. 1 Samuel 30 indicates that “three days and three nights” was an expression that did not necessarily mean a full 72 hours. Other examples where variants of the expression “three days” are used includes the following passages: Genesis 42:17-18 (“for three days” = “on the third day”); 2 Chronicles 10:5 , 12 (“three days later” = “in three days”) and Esther 4:16–5:1 (“for three days” = “on the third day”).

Do we lose anything meaningful about Jesus’ death and resurrection if Matthew 12:40 is an inexact reference to the time lapse between these two events? The New Testament references mentioned above are inexact as measured by our time-telling standards, but they still establish the fact that Jesus was in the tomb for a long enough period of time that there would be no question he was dead. Being in the tomb parts of three days, perhaps about 36 hours (which a Friday crucifixion-Sunday resurrection would allow) is enough to demonstrate this.

However, proponents of a 72-hour burial say that how long Jesus was in the tomb was the sign that he gave of his messiahship. But is this true? While the apostles referred in a general manner to the length of time Jesus was dead and buried, they never used the chronological measurement as the proof. They used such expressions as “after three days” or “on the third day,” but they did not attempt to prove an exact length of time. The apostles spoke of the resurrection itself, not the length of time, as the proof that Jesus is the Messiah. It stands to reason that the fact of Jesus’ death and resurrection is what demonstrates him to be our Savior. Whether Jesus was in the tomb two days, three days or ten days has no bearing on the issue of his messiahship.

If we remember that the phrase “three days and three nights” is an expression of the disciples’ culture, rather than scientific exactness, then we should have no problem with understanding Matthew 12:40. The “sign” that Jesus gave was not the length of time that he would be in the tomb, but it was the fact that he would die, be buried and be raised to life. We need not be concerned about the exact time Jesus was in the tomb, for our salvation does not depend on that. What is important is that Jesus died and was resurrected to become our Savior (1 Corinthians 15:3-4).
Prov 10v19, 'In the multitude of words there wanteth not sin; but he that refraines his lips is wise.'

Salvation depends on Truth - wherever it is found !
 

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I agree ! and JESUS IS TRUTH ! That is why we should hear HIM above all the reports from people....which is not the best response to the topic being discussed....and even the poster himself sums it all up in his own opinion.
 

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We know that Jesus celebrated the Passover in obedience to the commandments to do so given in Leviticus 23, Exodus 12 and Numbers 28:16-25. He began the events leading to His death by celebrating this event for which He instructed His disciples to prepare:

And the disciples went out, and came to the city, and found it just as
He (
Jesus) had told them; and they prepared the Passover. Mark 14:16

After eating the Passover meal,
Jesus went to the Garden of Gethsemane with the disciples to pray. (Matthew 26:36-46; Mark 14:32-42; Luke 22:40-46)

And they came to a place named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples,
"Sit here until I have prayed." Mark 14:32

After praying,
Jesus was arrested, tried and on the cross by 9 a.m. the next day.

And having arrested Him, they led Him away, and brought Him to the house of the high priest... Luke 22:54

Now when morning had come, all the chief priests and the elders of the people took counsel against
Jesusto put Him to death; [SUP]2[/SUP] and they bound Him, and led Him away, and delivered Him up to Pilate. Matthew 27:1-2

And it was the third hour when they crucified Him. Mark 15:25

As most everyone knows, Messiah died, was buried and resurrected. The traditional teaching says that
Jesus died on Friday, the weekly Sabbath, (good Friday) and arose on the following Sunday. However, Jesus said,

for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40

Is it possible to get three days AND three nights from Friday to Sunday? No, it is not. Therefore, from Jesus' own words we can see that this teaching cannot be correct. Therefore, exactly what did happen?

Leviticus 23 gives us the important and “missing” information in the traditional teaching.
Therefore, to understand what happened, let’s look at this missing info.

[SUP]5[/SUP]In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is God's Passover.
[SUP]
6[/SUP] 'Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to God; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.
[SUP]
7[/SUP] 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.
[SUP]
8[/SUP] 'But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to God. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.'"
Leviticus 23:5-8

This passage tells us that the Passover is on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] and the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins the 15[SUP]th[/SUP]; they are back-to-back. The first day (and the last day) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath. This is a “special” Sabbath, also called a “high Sabbath.” Therefore, the Sabbath for which
Jesus had to be removed from the cross was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not the weekly Sabbath. (The weekly Sabbath does play a part in Jesus' timeline, which we will shortly see.) Unlike the weekly Sabbath that is every Friday night to Saturday night, this special Sabbath can fall on any day of the week.

There are New Testament Scriptures that give us this information about this special Sabbath:

[SUP]52[/SUP]…this man (Joseph of Arimathea) went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
[SUP]
53[/SUP] And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid Him in a
tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain.
[SUP]
54[/SUP] And it was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
Luke 23:52-54

[SUP]31[/SUP] The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the
bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath
was a high day)
John 19:31

[SUP]42[/SUP] Therefore on account of the Jewish day of preparation, because
the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.
John 19:42

Passover is not a Sabbath. It is the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the (seven day) Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus died on Passover, but was removed from the cross before sunset, which began the High Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

[SUP]7[/SUP] 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.

On a Sabbath no work is done, therefore, the women could not prepare Jesus' body
for burial. Jesus was removed from the cross, wrapped in linen and placed in a tomb.

[SUP]46[/SUP] And Joseph bought a linen cloth, took Him down, wrapped Him in the linen cloth, and laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. Mark 15:46

Because of the encroaching High Sabbath, the linen wrapping was all that time allowed to be done for Jesus. Under the Torah (law) one could not buy or sell on a Sabbath.

As for the peoples of the land who bring wares or any grain on the Sabbath day to sell, we will not buy from them on the Sabbath or a holy day; Nehemiah 10:31

Therefore, the women could not obtain the necessary items to properly anoint His body and bury Jess. However, once the High Sabbath was over, the women could buy what they needed for this task.

And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. Mark 16:1

Since there were no food processors or machinery during the first century, this was a time consuming, laborious task. On the day after the High Sabbath, the women purchased the spices and spent the day preparing them to anoint Jesus' body. However, they were once again delayed, this time by the weekly Sabbath.
[SUP]
55[/SUP] Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed after,
and saw the tomb and how His body was laid.
[SUP]
56[/SUP] And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.
[SUP]
1[/SUP] But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared.
Luke 23:55 - 24:1

Thus far, Jesus has died, been placed in a tomb as the High Sabbath of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread began. The women were forced to wait for that evening and day to pass. The next morning after the Sabbath when the shops were open, they purchased the spices and prepared them to anoint Jesus' body. They then had to rest for the weekly Sabbath to pass. They waited until morning on the first day of the week, Sunday, to go to the tomb to prepare His body. When they arrived, the tomb was empty. Does this mean that Jesus arose on that day, or was tomb empty because He had already arisen?
The Two Sabbaths of Passover

To make all of these events fit, we can count backwards from the weekly Sabbath and figure out what evening Jesus and the disciples had the Passover meal and what day He was crucified. The timeline of events would look like this:

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I'm sorry sister, no where does it say that the 3 days and 3 nights are in the Tomb. Go back and read Jonah's prayer from the belly of the great fish, he calls it his affliction, read Isaiah 53:4, 7 it's says His affection, which lines up with what the disciples said on the road to damascus, they mentioned nothing about Him being in the Tomb for 3 days and 3 nights. The Tomb is part of it, it's not all of it. Those disciples included Jesus being delivered over to Pilate as part of what He told them would happen to Him. As in, the Son of Man must suffer many things from this generation. The Tomb does not equal grave, if it did where does it say that the wicked were with Him in the grave? We know that in His death it was with a rich man, because the Tomb belonged to a rich man. The wicked were with Him when He was being commanded. Read Isaiah 53 it's about more than Hid Tomb that was His payment for our sins.
 

Magenta

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I'm sorry sister, no where does it say that the 3 days and 3 nights are in the Tomb... The Tomb does not equal grave, if it did where does it say that the wicked were with Him in the grave? We know that in His death it was with a rich man, because the Tomb belonged to a rich man. The wicked were with Him when He was being commanded. Read Isaiah 53 it's about more than Hid Tomb that was His payment for our sins.
For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the
belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three
days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Much of the rest of what you say makes little sense, with so much repetition and no Scriptures given to back your assertions. If you want to believe the heart of the earth does not mean grave, that is certainly your prerogative, but you will not convince me with an opinion contrary to Scripture. Jesus, the only faultless Person in the history of humanity, was assigned a grave with the wicked. He chose it to pay the sin debt of the world, for the wages of sin is death.
 

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For as Jonah was three days and three nights in the
belly of a huge fish, so the Son of Man will be three
days and three nights in the heart of the earth.

Much of the rest of what you say makes little sense, with so much repetition and no Scriptures given to back your assertions. If you want to believe the heart of the earth does not mean grave, that is certainly your prerogative, but you will not convince me with an opinion contrary to Scripture. Jesus, the only faultless Person in the history of humanity, was assigned a grave with the wicked. He chose it to pay the sin debt of the world, for the wages of sin is death.
Read post number 4 where I use Scripture for what I see in Scripture. Which the 2 disciples say what Christ taught them and that it was the third day from it happening, the first day of the week. Read Luke 24:1-24 it will give you the understanding of who I came to the understanding that I have. I can go through all of it if you'd like, I've posted it before , but I know not everyone reds every post. So if you'd like I can find that post and repost it here if yu need me to give more Scripture to verify what I believe.
 
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I agree ! and JESUS IS TRUTH ! That is why we should hear HIM above all the reports from people....which is not the best response to the topic being discussed....and even the poster himself sums it all up in his own opinion.
Quite often, the ones who are proclaiming "the truth" on ambiguous matters are seeking to discredit Christianity. Herbert Armstrong definitely was one of those individuals.

The precise chronology, as I have said, is not the main issue. The main issue is that Jesus died a substitutionary death for the redeemed, and his Messiahship was validated by God through the resurrection.
 

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We know that Jesus celebrated the Passover in obedience to the commandments to do so given in Leviticus 23, Exodus 12 and Numbers 28:16-25. He began the events leading to His death by celebrating this event for which He instructed His disciples to prepare:

And the disciples went out, and came to the city, and found it just as
He (
Jesus) had told them; and they prepared the Passover. Mark 14:16

After eating the Passover meal,
Jesus went to the Garden of Gethsemane with the disciples to pray. (Matthew 26:36-46; Mark 14:32-42; Luke 22:40-46)

And they came to a place named Gethsemane; and He said to His disciples,
"Sit here until I have prayed." Mark 14:32

After praying,
Jesus was arrested, tried and on the cross by 9 a.m. the next day.

And having arrested Him, they led Him away, and brought Him to the house of the high priest... Luke 22:54

Now when morning had come, all the chief priests and the elders of the people took counsel against
Jesusto put Him to death; [SUP]2[/SUP] and they bound Him, and led Him away, and delivered Him up to Pilate. Matthew 27:1-2

And it was the third hour when they crucified Him. Mark 15:25

As most everyone knows, Messiah died, was buried and resurrected. The traditional teaching says that
Jesus died on Friday, the weekly Sabbath, (good Friday) and arose on the following Sunday. However, Jesus said,

for just as Jonah was three days and three nights in the belly of the sea monster, so shall the Son of Man be three days and three nights in the heart of the earth. Matthew 12:40

Is it possible to get three days AND three nights from Friday to Sunday? No, it is not. Therefore, from Jesus' own words we can see that this teaching cannot be correct. Therefore, exactly what did happen?

Leviticus 23 gives us the important and “missing” information in the traditional teaching.
Therefore, to understand what happened, let’s look at this missing info.

[SUP]5[/SUP]In the first month, on the fourteenth day of the month at twilight is God's Passover.
[SUP]
6[/SUP] 'Then on the fifteenth day of the same month there is the Feast of Unleavened Bread to God; for seven days you shall eat unleavened bread.
[SUP]
7[/SUP] 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.
[SUP]
8[/SUP] 'But for seven days you shall present an offering by fire to God. On the seventh day is a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.'"
Leviticus 23:5-8

This passage tells us that the Passover is on the 14[SUP]th[/SUP] and the Feast of Unleavened Bread begins the 15[SUP]th[/SUP]; they are back-to-back. The first day (and the last day) of the Feast of Unleavened Bread is a Sabbath. This is a “special” Sabbath, also called a “high Sabbath.” Therefore, the Sabbath for which
Jesus had to be removed from the cross was the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread, not the weekly Sabbath. (The weekly Sabbath does play a part in Jesus' timeline, which we will shortly see.) Unlike the weekly Sabbath that is every Friday night to Saturday night, this special Sabbath can fall on any day of the week.

There are New Testament Scriptures that give us this information about this special Sabbath:

[SUP]52[/SUP]…this man (Joseph of Arimathea) went to Pilate and asked for the body of Jesus.
[SUP]
53[/SUP] And he took it down and wrapped it in a linen cloth, and laid Him in a
tomb cut into the rock, where no one had ever lain.
[SUP]
54[/SUP] And it was the preparation day, and the Sabbath was about to begin.
Luke 23:52-54

[SUP]31[/SUP] The Jews therefore, because it was the day of preparation, so that the
bodies should not remain on the cross on the Sabbath (for that Sabbath
was a high day)
John 19:31

[SUP]42[/SUP] Therefore on account of the Jewish day of preparation, because
the tomb was nearby, they laid Jesus there.
John 19:42

Passover is not a Sabbath. It is the day of preparation for the High Sabbath that is the first day of the (seven day) Feast of Unleavened Bread. Jesus died on Passover, but was removed from the cross before sunset, which began the High Sabbath, the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread.

[SUP]7[/SUP] 'On the first day you shall have a holy convocation; you shall not do any laborious work.

On a Sabbath no work is done, therefore, the women could not prepare Jesus' body
for burial. Jesus was removed from the cross, wrapped in linen and placed in a tomb.

[SUP]46[/SUP] And Joseph bought a linen cloth, took Him down, wrapped Him in the linen cloth, and laid Him in a tomb which had been hewn out in the rock; and he rolled a stone against the entrance of the tomb. Mark 15:46

Because of the encroaching High Sabbath, the linen wrapping was all that time allowed to be done for Jesus. Under the Torah (law) one could not buy or sell on a Sabbath.

As for the peoples of the land who bring wares or any grain on the Sabbath day to sell, we will not buy from them on the Sabbath or a holy day; Nehemiah 10:31

Therefore, the women could not obtain the necessary items to properly anoint His body and bury Jess. However, once the High Sabbath was over, the women could buy what they needed for this task.

And when the Sabbath was over, Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James, and Salome, bought spices, that they might come and anoint Him. Mark 16:1

Since there were no food processors or machinery during the first century, this was a time consuming, laborious task. On the day after the High Sabbath, the women purchased the spices and spent the day preparing them to anoint Jesus' body. However, they were once again delayed, this time by the weekly Sabbath.
[SUP]
55[/SUP] Now the women who had come with Him out of Galilee followed after,
and saw the tomb and how His body was laid.
[SUP]
56[/SUP] And they returned and prepared spices and perfumes. And on the Sabbath they rested according to the commandment.
[SUP]
1[/SUP] But on the first day of the week, at early dawn, they came to the tomb, bringing the spices which they had prepared.
Luke 23:55 - 24:1

Thus far, Jesus has died, been placed in a tomb as the High Sabbath of the first day of the Feast of Unleavened Bread began. The women were forced to wait for that evening and day to pass. The next morning after the Sabbath when the shops were open, they purchased the spices and prepared them to anoint Jesus' body. They then had to rest for the weekly Sabbath to pass. They waited until morning on the first day of the week, Sunday, to go to the tomb to prepare His body. When they arrived, the tomb was empty. Does this mean that Jesus arose on that day, or was tomb empty because He had already arisen?
The Two Sabbaths of Passover

To make all of these events fit, we can count backwards from the weekly Sabbath and figure out what evening Jesus and the disciples had the Passover meal and what day He was crucified. The timeline of events would look like this:

View attachment 168679
Good post :D Blessings to you for believing Jesus.. Indeed He did spend 3 days and 3 nights in the earth..
 
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Here are two good videos by Rob and Caleb regarding the timing between the crucifixion and the resurrection. The first link covers the timing by an author who describes the different views that explain the difference between the Synoptic gospels and the gospel of John. He researched this issue in depth, and his views address some of the misconceptions that anti-holiday people have. The second link covers the "three days and three nights issue". I appreciate the videos by Rob and Caleb as they are Messianic in their outlook but they are not accusing, Judaizer nuts.

Anyways here are the links:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G4ss3nYhcS0
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z47PsAOV7bw