This seems to be a chapter of the Bible that everyone has their own ideas about. When it comes down to 24-27, we must all admit that when we first read it, and looked to understand it, we were a bit at odds with our selves. Well ok may not everyone.
Yet as many people know there are many ways this is seen, and understood, why is it that some can't see anything other what they have been told. I know some are willing to openly look at something new, even if it holds no real relevants to their understanding.
Being kind of new to the study of prophecy, I am always seeking the facts, and not the kind of teachings make my eyes glaze over. As we know the Bible gives us everything we need to understand it. Yet I have heard some teachings on this chapter, that seem to be more fantastic than anything.
If I may, I will pace what I have found here. Then if any one see's where I may be going wrong, can you explain where and why? Keep in mind, I am a man with a thousand questions. It may seem as though I am trying to make a mountin out of a mole hill, yet is through my questions, that I seek the truth.
Here we go.
Dan 9:24 “A period of seventy sets of seven has been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish their rebellion, to put an end to their sin, to atone for their guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to confirm the prophetic vision, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
Now the Most Holy Place here, is the Holy of Holies am I right? If so then this may end up talking of Dan. 8 as well.
Dan 9:25 Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler—the Anointed One comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the perilous times.
I have heard many teachings on this one passage. Some say it was Cyrus, others say Darius, and some, Artaxerxes. My reason for thinking it has to Cyrus, is that Is.44:28 tel us that Is.44:28 tells us that HaShem chose Cyrus for this job. The math doesn't fit most teaching if we use Cyrus, yet in my mind that is due to us not really know how add. LOL Sounds stupid once I look at it. Yet even Daniel was having trouble with the math. Or at lest it seems that way from the opening of this chapter. So just how are we to know something that Daniel was having a problem with?
Dan 9:26 ¶“After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end.
Now here is where Things ca take a turn one way or the other. I am going to ask that we look at this ruler that will destroy the temple. I know that a lot of people teach this was Titus. I kind of understand why, being how we look at things from mans point of view. So I ask, can it be that we are seeing this wrong? In, "The Complete Works of Josephus" Book 6 chapter 4, page 896. Josephus tells us that Titus gave orders NOT to harm the Temple. When he went to sleep, the 10th, or 11th legion burned the Temple, and when told Titus gave orders to put out the fire and save the Temple. By our way of thinking, they were under his command, that makes him the one that did the deed.
Yet are we looking at this in the proper manner? After all we know that in the Eyes of HaShem, every man is responsible for their own actions. There is no record of the an that started the fire, or even what legion he was really in. Yet we do know, that the 10th, 11th, and 12th, were made of mostly Muslim nations. So would it not make more sense to say that it will be from that people, this prince will arise?
Dan 9:27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”
Now I have heard that this is talking of Artaxerxes. Yet that doesn't add up in my little brain. If t it was him, then why after his defilement does Yeshua tell us,
Mat 24:15 ¶“The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!)
Seems to me that this is talking of something still to come. When I pointed this out, I was told that it was talking of Titus. Yet that still doesn't add up. As Titus never placed anything in side the Temple.
Any help here would be great. I may ask some questions as I said. After all, I have never just taken anyone's word for fact, unless they can explain it in a logical manner. If I start to become to demanding with what I may ask, sorry. It is after all, just me. So please over look that.
Yet as many people know there are many ways this is seen, and understood, why is it that some can't see anything other what they have been told. I know some are willing to openly look at something new, even if it holds no real relevants to their understanding.
Being kind of new to the study of prophecy, I am always seeking the facts, and not the kind of teachings make my eyes glaze over. As we know the Bible gives us everything we need to understand it. Yet I have heard some teachings on this chapter, that seem to be more fantastic than anything.
If I may, I will pace what I have found here. Then if any one see's where I may be going wrong, can you explain where and why? Keep in mind, I am a man with a thousand questions. It may seem as though I am trying to make a mountin out of a mole hill, yet is through my questions, that I seek the truth.
Here we go.
Dan 9:24 “A period of seventy sets of seven has been decreed for your people and your holy city to finish their rebellion, to put an end to their sin, to atone for their guilt, to bring in everlasting righteousness, to confirm the prophetic vision, and to anoint the Most Holy Place.
Now the Most Holy Place here, is the Holy of Holies am I right? If so then this may end up talking of Dan. 8 as well.
Dan 9:25 Now listen and understand! Seven sets of seven plus sixty-two sets of seven will pass from the time the command is given to rebuild Jerusalem until a ruler—the Anointed One comes. Jerusalem will be rebuilt with streets and strong defenses, despite the perilous times.
I have heard many teachings on this one passage. Some say it was Cyrus, others say Darius, and some, Artaxerxes. My reason for thinking it has to Cyrus, is that Is.44:28 tel us that Is.44:28 tells us that HaShem chose Cyrus for this job. The math doesn't fit most teaching if we use Cyrus, yet in my mind that is due to us not really know how add. LOL Sounds stupid once I look at it. Yet even Daniel was having trouble with the math. Or at lest it seems that way from the opening of this chapter. So just how are we to know something that Daniel was having a problem with?
Dan 9:26 ¶“After this period of sixty-two sets of seven, the Anointed One will be killed, appearing to have accomplished nothing, and a ruler will arise whose armies will destroy the city and the Temple. The end will come with a flood, and war and its miseries are decreed from that time to the very end.
Now here is where Things ca take a turn one way or the other. I am going to ask that we look at this ruler that will destroy the temple. I know that a lot of people teach this was Titus. I kind of understand why, being how we look at things from mans point of view. So I ask, can it be that we are seeing this wrong? In, "The Complete Works of Josephus" Book 6 chapter 4, page 896. Josephus tells us that Titus gave orders NOT to harm the Temple. When he went to sleep, the 10th, or 11th legion burned the Temple, and when told Titus gave orders to put out the fire and save the Temple. By our way of thinking, they were under his command, that makes him the one that did the deed.
Yet are we looking at this in the proper manner? After all we know that in the Eyes of HaShem, every man is responsible for their own actions. There is no record of the an that started the fire, or even what legion he was really in. Yet we do know, that the 10th, 11th, and 12th, were made of mostly Muslim nations. So would it not make more sense to say that it will be from that people, this prince will arise?
Dan 9:27 The ruler will make a treaty with the people for a period of one set of seven, but after half this time, he will put an end to the sacrifices and offerings. And as a climax to all his terrible deeds, he will set up a sacrilegious object that causes desecration, until the fate decreed for this defiler is finally poured out on him.”
Now I have heard that this is talking of Artaxerxes. Yet that doesn't add up in my little brain. If t it was him, then why after his defilement does Yeshua tell us,
Mat 24:15 ¶“The day is coming when you will see what Daniel the prophet spoke about—the sacrilegious object that causes desecration standing in the Holy Place.” (Reader, pay attention!)
Seems to me that this is talking of something still to come. When I pointed this out, I was told that it was talking of Titus. Yet that still doesn't add up. As Titus never placed anything in side the Temple.
Any help here would be great. I may ask some questions as I said. After all, I have never just taken anyone's word for fact, unless they can explain it in a logical manner. If I start to become to demanding with what I may ask, sorry. It is after all, just me. So please over look that.