Revelation 12 Sign in the Skies

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Chris1975

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The Great Sign in Heaven
Revelation 12 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. [SUP]4 [/SUP]His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. [SUP]5 [/SUP]She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.



This sign is pictured above. This can be independently verified by downloading the Stellarium software, inserting the relevant criteria such as:
Location: Jerusalem
Date: 23 September 2017
Time: 18h00
What is fascinating is that this sign appears in this way only once, on this date. Researchers have gone back over 6000 years into history, as well as gone forward 1200 years into the future, and are unable to replicate this sign in any way that meets with all of the criteria.
The constellation of Virgo is the Woman, The Garland of 12 stars is made up of the stable 9 stars from the constellation of Leo (which are always above the head of Virgo), plus the addition of an additional 3 stars (Mercury , Mars and Venus) all coming into alignment on this same period of time. The Sun is located next to the head of the woman, and the Moon moves under her feet at this moment in time. Since the moon is the fastest moving object in the sign above, it gives an indication within a few hours of when the time of the sign is fulfilled, as the scripture indicates that the moon is under her feet. 18h00 as a time point is the completion of the Sabbath day in Israel. The point of note here, since the scriptures refer to the woman bringing forth a child, is that the planet Jupiter has been in gestation for exactly 42 weeks up until this point, which corresponds to a maximum full term pregnancy. At no other time in history, or in the future, has all of these individual signs come into perfect alignment and timing. We therefore believe convincingly that this sign in the skies is the Revelation 12 sign spoken of by the Apostle John in his Revelation from the Lord.
What do the symbols mean?
The Woman: The woman is believed to represent the nation of Israel. She is pictured with 12 stars above her head, representing the twelve tribes of Israel. We can also see reference to this very thing in the interpretation of Joseph’s dream in Genesis 37v9 and then interpreted in Genesis 37v10.
The Child: The Child represents Jesus Christ, as it refers to male Child in verse 5. Yet here is where the great mystery of the end times is also solved, and which we will prove below. Jesus ascended to the clouds in the sight of His disciples Acts 1v9, and we know that He is now at the right hand of the Father in heaven Acts 7v55. Yet the word for “taken up” in Acts 1v9 is the greek Strongs word “Epairw” which means to raise, lift or take up. There is no snatching or suddenness. Yet the word used in Revelation 12v5 for “caught up” which is the greek Strongs word “Arpazw” or “Harpazo” which means catch away, pluck, pull, or seize by force. It also means to snatch out of the way. So the snatching away of the Child is a very sudden event, just as the Dragon is waiting to devour the Child. This then refers to the “Rapture” of the church. The ones raptured are the bride of Christ, who are the body of believers who are found “faithful” on the Lords return in the clouds (Luke 18v8b). There are many who are left behind and the door on them will be shut; Matthew 24v48-51 and Matthew 25v1-13. The Lord is also coming for those who eagerly await His return; Hebrews 9v28b and Philippians 3v20. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. He is the Head of the Body. We as believers are the Body. We are together one body. Jesus ascended to the throne, and the rest of the body will ascend in the rapture to meet the Lord in the air. This is a corporate birthing of the church (we are born again individually, but at this moment of time, we are corporately birthed together – as Israel was born on a single day, so too is the church born corporately on a single day). It however also means the end of the Church Age and a transition into the end-times events as detailed in the Book of Revelation and elsewhere in the bible. The church has been birthed out of Israel (Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, so Jesus came from the Woman), and all those who are in Christ, are in His body, and are included as the Child.
The Dragon: Refers to Satan
The Third of the Stars of Heaven: Refers most likely to the third of the angels who rebelled with Satan – these are fallen angels or demons.

It is important to understand the above distinctions as we delve deeper into the Word of God. This will become very clear as scriptures point to this.

Firstly a bit about Israel and the Gentiles

Romans 11
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]g[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[SUP][[/SUP]
[SUP]h[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]

What we can glean from what Paul is writing to the church in Rome is this. That the Gentiles are to be humble in their consideration of Israel. The Gentiles were the wild olive branches grafted into the olive tree. It is by grace that this salvation offer has been gifted to the Gentiles. It is only because of Israel’s rejection of her Messiah that we have the door opened to the Gentiles. See what Paul writes a few verses earlier: Romans 10v19-21 [SUP]19 [/SUP]But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: “I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]But Isaiah is very bold and says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.” [SUP]21 [/SUP]But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.”
As a result of Israel’s corporate rejection of their Messiah (many did believe and are included in the Church, but by and large most of them did not, to this very day), God has given them over to blindness in part UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles come in.
What this means is that today we still have Messianic Jews (Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah), but by and large the vast majority do not, and they are awaiting the first coming of their Messiah. They have been blinded in part. Yet this blindness is NOT forever. It is “UNTIL” the fullness of the Gentiles have come in.
We can conclude that the church today is by far and large mostly made up of Gentile believers. For 2000 years since Christ, He has been calling upon the world, by the Holy Spirit, to repent and turn to Jesus Christ in faith. While the church of God today is still vast in terms of numbers, it is also likely that many believers who call themselves Christians may in fact not truly be serving the Lord. For the Word says:
2 Timothy 2 v19 [SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]c[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] depart from iniquity.” And we know that within the corporate church we are not seeing the standard of holy living required by the Word of God.
The current Church Age, which some believe began on the Day of Pentecost 2000 years ago, is now coming to its fulfilment. This I believe to be the time of the fullness of the Gentiles. There are a number of believers who God will save before He concludes this current Church Age, and then the blindness will be removed from Israel.
So what exactly is this “event” which triggers the change in the Ages? Could it be the “harpazo” or rapture of the Church believers? From the Revelation sign above it certainly looks like the Child is “snatched away” in an instant. If this were to happen, we could surmise the sudden shock to the world of what has just transpired. The Gentiles who called themselves Christian, yet were not willing to make Him Lord over their lives will be left behind. The Jews will mourn and weep and repent as they see this event as a confirmation that the Holy Bible is true, and they did not discern that Jesus Christ truly was the Messiah. And then you have the third category – people of the world who cared not for the things of God, nor had at any stage committed their lives to God. They themselves will be left dumbfounded and searching for an explanation for these things which have come to pass. Irrespective of what category people fall into after this “event”, they are all at risk of deception. 2 Thessalonians 2 v9-12 [SUP]9 [/SUP]The coming of the lawless one (Antichrist) is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, [SUP]12 [/SUP]that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Because people did not receive the love of the truth in this Church Age, because they did not accept Christ as Saviour AND Lord, because they loved their sins (unrighteousness) more than the gospel message of peace with God, God Himself sends them a strong delusion that they will believe the lie that’s about to be unleashed upon the world. This comes in with the new world leader (the Antichrist) and his false prophet.
The Rapture
Jesus returns in the clouds on this particular event to receive to Himself the bride who has prepared herself. She is caught up into the air in an instant: 1 Thessalonians 4 v15-17 [SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
But who does the Lord come for? Is it everybody who calls themselves a Christian? Let’s see what the scriptures say: Ephesians 5v27 [SUP]27 [/SUP]that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. And again we see this in 1 Thessalonians 5v23 [SUP]23 [/SUP]Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. And again Revelation 19v7 [SUP]7 [/SUP]Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Many Christians today are not living unspotted lives from the world. The world has once again crept into their lives. They are adulterers, liars, hating one another, unforgiving, backbiting, resentful, bitter, lustful. The list goes on and on. God’s Word is clear. We are to be sanctified – set apart (from the world) – holy. Why do you, Christian, have double mindedness? You cannot serve two masters. Choose today whom you will serve. By God’s grace, the power of victory is in your grasp if you will only believe. Let go of these worldly things and devote yourselves fully to Christ. For if you will not, you are in danger of being left behind. And I can assure you that the next “week of years” will come upon you as a trap.
 

Chris1975

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Scriptures pointing to the Great Heavenly Sign
Are there other scriptures pointing to this sign? Now that you have a basic understanding that Israel has been blinded in part until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in, we can explore other evidences to this being the case.
Micah 5v1-3 Now gather yourself in troops, O daughter of troops; He has laid siege against us; They will strike the judge of Israel with a rod on the cheek. [SUP]2 [/SUP]“But you, Bethlehem Ephrathah, Though you are little among the thousands of Judah,Yet out of you shall come forth to Me The One to be Ruler in Israel, Whose goings forth are from of old, From everlasting. [SUP]3 [/SUP]Therefore He shall give them up, Until the time that she who is in labor has given birth; Then the remnant of His brethren Shall return to the children of Israel.
The context of the above is very clear. Israel struck the judge of Israel (v1) on the cheek, referring to the crucifixion of Jesus Christ. God confirms that Jesus is the Messiah (v2). And now we have the judgement in v3 – He shall give them up until the time that she who is in labour has given birth.
This has proven to be the case over the last 2000 years. But the winds of change have arrived. And it’s on our doorstep. On the 23[SUP]rd[/SUP] of September 2017, the Woman gives birth to the Male Child, and the child is caught up to heaven. At no time in history has this sign appeared before, nor has anyone been able to replicate this for at least another 1200 years of checking, post this date. It is God’s marker of TIME in the skies above. He will rapture the child (true church), and he will once again make Atonement for the Nation of Israel, to cover her sins corporately. He will once again remove the blinders from her eyes so that she can see. Israel will be left behind (only the Jews believing in Christ at the point of rapture will go with the church). And once again God will protect Israel from the pursuing Dragon - Revelation 12v13-15 [SUP]13 [/SUP]Now when the dragon saw that he had been cast to the earth, he persecuted the woman who gave birth to the male Child. [SUP]14 [/SUP]But the woman was given two wings of a great eagle, that she might fly into the wilderness to her place, where she is nourished for a time and times and half a time, from the presence of the serpent. [SUP]15 [/SUP]So the serpent spewed water out of his mouth like a flood after the woman, that he might cause her to be carried away by the flood. [SUP]16 [/SUP]But the earth helped the woman, and the earth opened its mouth and swallowed up the flood which the dragon had spewed out of his mouth. [SUP]17 [/SUP]And the dragon was enraged with the woman, and he went to make war with the rest of her offspring, who keep the commandments of God and have the testimony of Jesus Christ.[SUP][b][/SUP]
From the above, the Dragon pursues the Woman. She however is protected by God. When the Dragon is not successful, he then turns to pursue and make war with all the others who now (through revelation of God’s righteous judgements as evidenced by the rapture) realise that the only way to Christ is a true and unyielding faith in God. So much so that they will now give up their lives for Christ by the shedding of their own blood. For power is granted to the Dragon to overcome the saints (and they will be martyred). See Revelation 13v7 [SUP]7 [/SUP]It was granted to him to make war with the saints and to overcome them. And authority was given him over every tribe, tongue, and nation. And also Daniel 7v21 [SUP]21 [/SUP]“I was watching; and the same horn was making war against the saints, and prevailing against them,
This is a time of Great Tribulation and trouble for the whole planet. For both Jew and Gentile. This, in the bible, is known as Daniel’s 70[SUP]th[/SUP] week (see Daniel 9v26-27) and the time of Jacob’s Trouble (Jeremiah 30v7). Jeremiah 30v6-7 [SUP]6 [/SUP]Ask now, and see, Whether a man is ever in labor with child? So why do I see every man with his hands on his loins Like a woman in labor, And all faces turned pale? [SUP]7 [/SUP]Alas! For that day is great, So that none is like it; And it is the time of Jacob’s trouble, But he shall be saved out of it.
Those in the Church Age who are following the Lord in sincerity, looking to the appearing of the Lord, will not experience this 7 year period of tribulation. For the church will be “Harpazo” or “snatched away suddenly”. Instead, it is called the time of Jacob’s trouble. It is not called the time of Abraham’s trouble. You see, the church is included in Abraham and his Seed (Read Romans 4) through faith. It is also interesting to note that there is no further mention of the church in the book of Revelation after Chapter 3 until it appears again in Chapter 22 which refers to teaching these things to the churches. Chapters 4 onwards, in terms of God’s people, concern primarily Israel, and the saints who would be Martyred (Revelation 6v11).
And this time of Jacob’s trouble comes suddenly. Note all of the references to a man in labour and a woman in labour above. It is all pointing to the great sign in heaven. A time of distress for Israel. She births a child and THEN comes her labour pains. See below:
Isaiah 66 [SUP]7 [/SUP]“Before she was in labor, she gave birth; Before her pain came, She delivered a male child. [SUP]8 [/SUP]Who has heard such a thing? Who has seen such things? Shall the earth be made to give birth in one day? Or shall a nation be born at once? For as soon as Zion was in labor, She gave birth to her children.
You see, the process is reversed. She (Woman) brings forth the child, AND THEN the labour pains hit. The Church is corporately birthed (we are born again individually, but this event is being born again corporately). Once this birth happens, she (the Woman) goes into labour. This is once again a reference to the Great Sign in the heavens and also points to the onset of the time of Jacob’s trouble. The Church however is born in an instant (corporately), in one day. As Israel was born in a single day, so too the church is also born in a single day. God’s historical pattern prophetically repeating itself.
Look to Isaiah 26 v17-21
[SUP]17 [/SUP]As a woman with child is in pain and cries out in her pangs, When she draws near the time of her delivery, So have we been in Your sight, O Lord. [SUP]18 [/SUP]We have been with child, we have been in pain; We have, as it were, brought forth wind; We have not accomplished any deliverance in the earth, Nor have the inhabitants of the world fallen. [SUP]19 [/SUP]Your dead shall live; Together with my dead body[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]b[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] they shall arise. Awake and sing, you who dwell in dust; For your dew is like the dew of herbs, And the earth shall cast out the dead. [SUP]20 [/SUP]Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For behold, the Lord comes out of His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity; The earth will also disclose her blood, And will no more cover her slain.
What can we glean from the above passage? It once again points forward prophetically to the Great Sign. Israel has brought forth the child (church) and brought forth wind (ruach). This refers to the Spirit. The church has been birthed by the Holy Spirit. Yet where is Israel, the Woman? She has been left behind. Has she achieved anything for herself (v18)?
Yet now we see the earth casting out her dead (v19) which points us directly to the rapture event (see 1 Thessalonians 4v16). And we who remain are also caught up in the clouds. So where do we go when we are caught up to be with Jesus in the clouds? Let’s see verse 20/21 again: [SUP]20 [/SUP]Come, my people, enter your chambers, And shut your doors behind you; Hide yourself, as it were, for a little moment, Until the indignation is past. [SUP]21 [/SUP]For behold, the Lord comes out of His place To punish the inhabitants of the earth for their iniquity
Do you see this? We are going to enter the chambers ----hidden---- for a moment while the Lord comes out to punish those who remain on the earth. Before Jesus ascended He left the disciples with the following message John 14v2-4 [SUP]2 [/SUP]In My Father’s house are many mansions;[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]a[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] if it were not so, I would have told you. I go to prepare a place for you.[SUP][b][/SUP] [SUP]3 [/SUP]And if I go and prepare a place for you, I will come again and receive you to Myself; that where I am, there you may be also. [SUP]4 [/SUP]And where I go you know, and the way you know.”
So Church – will you heed this sign in the heavens? Will you prepare yourself for your coming Lord and Messiah Jesus Christ? Or will you scoff at this? Will you say in your heart “Tomorrow will be the same as today, which was the same as yesterday?” ---- I remind you again, this sign has never before appeared, and looks not to appear ever again. Will you run the gauntlet? If you believe, will you sound the warning to your brethren, your neighbours, your enemies?

Ezekiel 33v6 [SUP]6 [/SUP]But if the watchman sees the sword coming and does not blow the trumpet, and the people are not warned, and the sword comes and takes any person from among them, he is taken away in his iniquity; but his blood I will require at the watchman’s hand.’

Luke 17v26-35 [SUP]26 [/SUP]And as it was in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man: [SUP]27 [/SUP]They ate, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all. [SUP]28 [/SUP]Likewise as it was also in the days of Lot: They ate, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they built; [SUP]29 [/SUP]but on the day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all. [SUP]30 [/SUP]Even so will it be in the day when the Son of Man is revealed. [SUP]31 [/SUP]“In that day, he who is on the housetop, and his goods are in the house, let him not come down to take them away. And likewise the one who is in the field, let him not turn back. [SUP]32 [/SUP]Remember Lot’s wife. [SUP]33 [/SUP]Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it. [SUP]34 [/SUP]I tell you, in that night there will be two men in one bed: the one will be taken and the other will be left. [SUP]35 [/SUP]Two women will be grinding together: the one will be taken and the other left. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Two men will be in the field: the one will be taken and the other left.”

As in the days of Noah and Lot, nobody except the Lord’s righteous knew of the destruction which was coming upon the earth. The lost believed every day was exactly like the last. This is a biblical principle. God delivers His righteous ones before He brings destruction. And the destruction is immediate. It takes the world by surprise. The Great Sign in the sky is a time marker. It was put in place when the heavens and earth were created for this very time that we are living in. And He is saying to those who have ears to hear ------ ENTER THE ARK. The Rapture is the modern day Ark. Jesus Christ is the Gate. We enter by the narrow gate. When the rapture happens, the Ark is sealed, and the nations are trapped. Destruction, as in the days of Noah and Lot, is immediate. And this destruction will be by the hand of the Antichrist on one side, and by God’s wrath on the other side. And the nations will all be caught in between.
Luke 21 v34-36 [SUP]34 [/SUP]“But take heed to yourselves, lest your hearts be weighed down with carousing, drunkenness, and cares of this life, and that Day come on you unexpectedly. [SUP]35 [/SUP]For it will come as a snare on all those who dwell on the face of the whole earth. [SUP]36 [/SUP]Watch therefore, and pray always that you may be counted worthy[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]c[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] to escape all these things that will come to pass, and to stand before the Son of Man.”
This Day will truly come as a snare to all those on the face of the earth. It affects EVERYONE. This date marker has been put in the skies above from before Adam was created. Since the time of Adam, we have all been walking this earth towards this trap that has been laid (this snare). The date doesn’t move, but humanity marches along, mostly oblivious to this threat. God in His mercy has extended his hand of invitation to the nations through the shed blood of Jesus on the cross, and yet by and large the majority of people who have walked the face of this earth have missed the mark. They haven’t sought Him out. They have rejected His free gift. They have instead followed in the ways of the devil, their father. And because they sought not the truth, but rather had pleasure in unrighteousness, they, all together, step into this snare, from which escape is barely possible.
Therefore, Church, be awake. And pray (v36) you are counted worthy to escape all these things.

The Man of Sin
The world has prepared their man of sin (the Antichrist) for this very hour that we are in. He has not been released yet in power onto the world scene, for he is being withheld by the power of God. The Holy Spirit has prevented his appearing. Yet the time has come, in this hour, where the true church will be snatched away, and the Hand of restraint will be removed. He will appear on the world scene so quickly, that the world will not have time to catch its proverbial breath.

2 Thessalonians 2
[SUP]5 [/SUP]Do you not remember that when I was still with you I told you these things? [SUP]6 [/SUP]And now you know what is restraining, that he may be revealed in his own time. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For the mystery of lawlessness is already at work; only He[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]d[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] who now restrains will do so until He[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]e[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] is taken out of the way. [SUP]8 [/SUP]And then the lawless one will be revealed, whom the Lord will consume with the breath of His mouth and destroy with the brightness of His coming.

The Holy Spirit is omnipresent. In other words He is everywhere in the universe at once. There is nothing hidden from Him, and nowhere you can hide that He doesn’t see. The above passage DOES NOT refer to the Holy Spirit being removed from the Earth. It means the Child (Church) is removed (in whom the Holy Spirit dwells 1 Corinthians 6v19). And when the church is removed (raptured/snatched away) the vacuum is immediately filled with darkness. The week (7 years) of tribulation is about to begin.
A following of occult symbolism in movies, as well as awards ceremonies and other ceremonies (see Gotthard Tunnel opening ceremony in Switzerland) indicate they are about to welcome this man of sin as their “messiah”. He will deceive many. He will be the “Christ’s second coming” to the apostate church, he will be the “Mahdi” to the Muslims, he will be the “5[SUP]th[/SUP] Bhudda” to the Buddists, he will be the “Messiah” to the Jews who are looking to the first coming of the Messiah, he will be the “Maitreya” to the Hindus and New Agers. In summary, he will attempt to unite all world religions under him. The false prophet (second beast) will point to him as a messianic figure, and cause all to worship him and the Dragon. He will cause all to take a Mark (the Mark of the Beast) in the hand or in the forehead. Without this Mark, nobody will be able to buy or sell anything Revelation 13v16-17.
In the confusion and chaos due to the disappearance of the true church, many people will be very unsettled, looking for answers. Confusion and chaos will reign supreme, and people will look to a leader to bring peace, calm and security. He will gladly fulfil these needs. Yet the bible calls him the Antichrist.
The system of control via the Mark of the Beast (it looks to be the RFID chip) is a system of identifying who is worshipping the Beast, and who is avoiding to do so. For example, with the databases which exist today, the governments of the world can easily run an exception report in almost any area of who the citizens are in this town or city who have taken the mark, and who haven’t. It is an efficient control system which can direct government forces to focus on these “exceptions” and bring in/arrest people who haven’t taken the mark.
The bible says in Revelation 14 v9-11 that if anyone takes this Mark and worships the beast, they stand under God’s condemnation. They can no longer inherit eternal life. Their portion is in the lake of fire for eternity. Many people will have seen these scriptures I am posting above, and will, for fear of eternal torment, avoid taking the Mark. They will place their faith and trust in Jesus. And this will cost them their lives as power has been granted to the Antichrist to overcome them (see earlier references). They will choose martyrdom over submission to the Antichrist. However I suspect that most will simply go along with this system of the beast, and so condemn themselves.
As for the wrath of God that will be poured out on the earth during this time, it is not the scope of this document to detail all of these, but suffice to say that the trumpets, bowls, and plagues are beyond what man can perceive or imagine. And a far greater woe than anything that is conjured up by the Antichrist. It says of these days:
Luke 21v25-26 [SUP]25 [/SUP]“And there will be signs in the sun, in the moon, and in the stars; and on the earth distress of nations, with perplexity, the sea and the waves roaring; [SUP]26 [/SUP]men’s hearts failing them from fear and the expectation of those things which are coming on the earth, for the powers of the heavens will be shaken.
When the rapture happens, I suspect the bible will become a VERY popular book once again. Yet what is contained within the pages will cause many hearts to fail them as the dawning realisation hits that they have missed the opportunity to enter the ARK, that they are ensnared in this week of trouble, and the conclusion is made that what the bible says is true and that these things WILL COME TO PASS.
 

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Will this Day catch us, who are aware, by surprise?
Let’s see what the scriptures tell us.
1 Thessalonians 5
5 But concerning the times and the seasons, brethren, you have no need that I should write to you.

  • Paul is writing to the Thessalonian Church saying that he has no need to write to them about the times and seasons. Why? Because the times and seasons should already be established doctrine amongst them. This church did not have the bible in the format that we have it today. It was made up of what we now call the Old Testament. And the times and seasons have been sufficiently clarified in the Torah so that this church is of no need for Paul to again clarify these things to them.
[SUP]2 [/SUP]For you yourselves know perfectly that the day of the Lord so comes as a thief in the night. [SUP]3 [/SUP]For when they say, “Peace and safety!” then sudden destruction comes upon them, as labor pains upon a pregnant woman. And they shall not escape.

  • It comes as a thief in the night to those who are not watching. Once again, you can see the “labor pains upon a pregnant woman” allegory. It points us, once again, to this Great sign in the sky, and is a further clue as to the times we are currently living in. Those who are not watching are still thinking “peace and safety” yet the signs are saying the complete opposite. Jacobs’ trouble is here.
[SUP]4 [/SUP]But you, brethren, are not in darkness, so that this Day should overtake you as a thief. [SUP]5 [/SUP]You are all sons of light and sons of the day. We are not of the night nor of darkness. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Therefore let us not sleep, as others do, but let us watch and be sober. [SUP]7 [/SUP]For those who sleep, sleep at night, and those who get drunk are drunk at night. [SUP]8 [/SUP]But let us who are of the day be sober, putting on the breastplate of faith and love, and as a helmet the hope of salvation.

  • Yet Paul continues, and says this Day should not overtake the BRETHREN as a thief. So what does this mean? It means it should not be a surprise to us. For if we walk in the light, then God will show us the season of His coming. We will correctly discern the times we are in.
[SUP]9 [/SUP]For God did not appoint us to wrath, but to obtain salvation through our Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]10 [/SUP]who died for us, that whether we wake or sleep, we should live together with Him. [SUP]11 [/SUP]Therefore comfort each other and edify one another, just as you also are doing.

  • And here is the COMFORT to the believer. God has not appointed US to wrath. Since the context is the “Day of the Lord” we can conclude that the wrath being alluded to means the wrath during the Day of the Lord which comes upon the whole earth. If we are watching and sober, he will deliver us. See Revelation 3v10 [SUP]10 [/SUP]Because you have kept My command to persevere, I also will keep you from the hour of trial which shall come upon the whole world, to test those who dwell on the earth.

We are to be looking for His coming
Hebrews 9v28
[SUP]28 [/SUP]so Christ was offered once to bear the sins of many. To those who eagerly wait for Him He will appear a second time, apart from sin, for salvation.
and
Philippians 3v20-21
[SUP]20 [/SUP]For our citizenship is in heaven, from which we also eagerly wait for the Savior, the Lord Jesus Christ, [SUP]21 [/SUP]who will transform our lowly body that it may be conformed to His glorious body, according to the working by which He is able even to subdue all things to Himself.
If we are eagerly awaiting the Lord’s coming at any moment, what will our lives look like? Will we be careless about our conduct? Will we be carrying on with the world, in the world’s ways, if we were truly living in the belief that Christ can return at any moment? I suspect not. I suspect rather that when someone lives as if Christ is not coming back soon that he/she begins to live an apostate lifestyle. Falling from the faith. Careless about conduct. I believe the devil is telling many in the church that Jesus is not coming back soon.

Let’s see what Peter has to say.
2 Peter 3
[SUP]3 [/SUP]knowing this first: that scoffers will come in the last days, walking according to their own lusts, [SUP]4 [/SUP]and saying, “Where is the promise of His coming? For since the fathers fell asleep, all things continue as they were from the beginning of creation.” [SUP]5 [/SUP]For this they willfully forget: that by the word of God the heavens were of old, and the earth standing out of water and in the water, [SUP]6 [/SUP]by which the world that then existed perished, being flooded with water. [SUP]7 [/SUP]But the heavens and the earth which are now preserved by the same word, are reserved for fire until the day of judgment and perdition of ungodly men.[SUP]8 [/SUP]But, beloved, do not forget this one thing, that with the Lord one day is as a thousand years, and a thousand years as one day. [SUP]9 [/SUP]The Lord is not slack concerning His promise, as some count slackness, but is longsuffering toward us,[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]b[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] not willing that any should perish but that all should come to repentance.
Do we have scoffers today? For sure. You see it’s easy to say that tomorrow will be the same as today. It’s, in their opinion, a safe bet to make such a statement. Yet history is littered with false assurances of stability. The world was flooded in the days of Noah. Sodom was destroyed in the days of Lot. The Jews were thrown into concentration camps during the Second World War. You see these things have a habit, more so than not, of creeping up on you suddenly. For the signs of the times are not adequately read. And what is more, God gives us the prophecy that this destruction WILL COME. And not one of God’s words have failed in the past. Of this you can be sure. So too will the prophetic statements about the future. And with this Great Sign of Revelation 12 in our skies on 23 September 2017, written about by the Apostle John 2000 years ago with such precision, anyone reading this should sit up and take notice. The times are now at hand.

Do we have any further evidence that this could be the hour and day spoken of?

It just so happens that the rapture event is preceded by the blast of a trumpet. It says at the “last trumpet” the dead will rise, and we who remain alive are caught up into the heavens. Our bodies are changed in an instant.

1 Corinthians 15
[SUP]50 [/SUP]Now this I say, brethren, that flesh and blood cannot inherit the kingdom of God; nor does corruption inherit incorruption. [SUP]51 [/SUP]Behold, I tell you a mystery: We shall not all sleep, but we shall all be changed— [SUP]52 [/SUP]in a moment, in the twinkling of an eye, at the last trumpet. For the trumpet will sound, and the dead will be raised incorruptible, and we shall be changed. [SUP]53 [/SUP]For this corruptible must put on incorruption, and this mortal must put on immortality.

It is impossible for the fallen flesh of man to enter into God’s Holy presence. To those who have crucified the flesh and its lusts (Galatians 5v24) and those who by the Spirit have put to death the misdeeds of the body (Romans 8v13), God will grant a new body. This will be instantaneous. At the Rapture. This will be our glorified body, which no longer contains the corruption that came through the fall of Adam. At this very moment, we are able to enter the physical presence of the Lord in heaven and not die.
Now the point at which this is to happen, there will be the blowing of a Trumpet in the heavens (v52).
It just so happens that on the 21[SUP]st[/SUP] and 22[SUP]nd[/SUP] of September 2017 are Jewish Feast Days. This one is called Rosh Hashanah (to Israel, this is known as the Day that nobody knows the Day or Hour!!!). It is marked by the blowing of Trumpets. Is this coincidental that these two feast days are immediately preceding the day of the Great Sign of Revelation 12?
Could it be that the church is raptured on the Feast of Rosh Hashanah as a sign to the entire world, and that the Great Sign of Revelation 12 is a great sign to Israel that she has missed the mark, and that Jesus IS THE MESSIAH when she sees the church of God disappear.
There are 7 major feast days on the annual Jewish calendar. These are to be celebrated annually. The Lord has fulfilled 4 of the 7 feasts historically. And he fulfilled them EXACTLY on the appointed feast days and times.
Feast Day means more than “eating a meal”, but rather signifies God’s Appointed Times. It’s HIS APPOINTMENT. We are to attend at His TIME. When the Lord makes an appointment, you make sure you ATTEND.
The Feast of Passover was fulfilled at the exact time of the slaughter of the Passover lamb in Israel at 3pm on the Feast of Passover. This is when Christ Jesus died on the cross, as the Passover Lamb, slain for the sins of the world.
The Feast of Unleavened Bread was fulfilled the next day as His body lay in the tomb. He was a Lamb without blemish, and no sin (no leaven) was found in him.
The Feast of First Fruits was fulfilled on the third day, when Jesus rose from the tomb.
The Feast of Pentecost was fulfilled 50 days later when the Holy Spirit descended upon the believers all waiting with one accord in the upper room, and later that day 3000 in Israel believed and were filled with the Holy Spirit.
There are 3 more feasts AS YET UNFULFILLED. Namely the Feast of TRUMPETS, the Feast of Atonement and the Feast of Tabernacles.
I believe that the very next feast, namely the feast of Trumpets is the likely rapture window of the body of Christ. Since the first 4 Feasts were fulfilled at exactly the right time, I believe there is no reason to believe that the next 3 won’t follow the same pattern. It just so happens that there is such a significant sign in the skies, as the feast of trumpets comes to a close in 2017. At the last trumpet.

So why is Rosh Hashanah (feast of trumpets) celebrated over two days?
The Sanhedrin (religious leaders in Israel) send out observers to witness the new moon, and only based on the confirmation from two witnesses that they have sighted the new moon (the first sliver of light on the edge of the new moon) could the new year start. If the witnesses testimonies did not agree, they would carry this over to the next day so that they could agree the sighting of the new moon. Therefore it is the time of the year referred to as the day in which “nobody knows the day or hour”. To a Jew, when Jesus spoke these words: Matthew 24v36 [SUP]36 [/SUP]“But of that day and hour no one knows, not even the angels of heaven, but My Father only. It would mean something totally different to when we as a Gentile church would read these words. For we have not grown up in these customs. We are only beginning to learn about their importance. But to a Jew, this points to Rosh Hashanah. AMEN!!! Could it be then that the Lord gave a clue as to the timing of the rapture, but not necessarily declaring the specific day or hour?
Other evidences it could be now (2017).
Evidence seems to point to this being a Jubilee Year. A jubilee year is the 50[SUP]th[/SUP] year on a Jewish calendar (7 x 7 years = 49 years = Shemitah Year, with the year following being a Jubilee Year – the 50[SUP]th[/SUP] year). This is when land is returned to its rightful owners and all debts are cleared/settled.
In 1967 (one jubilee ago exactly) Israel went in and took East Jerusalem for the first time in centuries.
In 1917 (two jubilees ago exactly) the Turks fled the Holy Land and the British arrived on the scene and the result was the Balfour Declaration, paving the way for Israel to return to her rightful inheritance.
In 1217 the Jewish Rabbi named Judah Ben Samuel said that the Prophet Elijah appeared to him and gave him a prophecy. He said “When the Ottomans conquer Jerusalem, they will rule over Jerusalem for eight Jubilees. Afterwards, Jerusalem will become no-man’s land for one Jubilee, and then in the tenth Jubilee it will once again come back into the possession of the Jewish nation – which would signify the beginning of the Messianic end time.” --- exactly 300 years later in 1517 the Ottoman Turks invaded the Holy land and held it for exactly 400 years (8 jubilees) until the British took control. It was a no mans land for one jubilee until 1967 when Israel took Jerusalem in the 6 day war. This year (2017) is exactly one jubilee later. Should the prophecy be correct (which it has been up to this moment in time), then the period of the Messianic reign is on our doorstep.


It is also believed that there were 40 jubilees from Adam to Abraham; 40 jubilees from Abraham to Christ, and 40 jubilees from Christ to now. A total of 120 jubilees. The Lord said to Noah in Genesis 6 [SUP]3 [/SUP]And the Lord said, “My Spirit shall not strive[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]a[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] with man forever, for he is indeed flesh; yet his days shall be one hundred and twenty years.”
It is believed that this 120 years has a prophetic application to 120 jubilees (120 x 50 = 6000 years = 6 Days of the Lord). We shall see.
Certainly the Great Sign in the Heavens cannot simply be overlooked, considering how many of these other supporting dates converge over the same point in time.

Remember Lot’s Wife
We are admonished to remember Lot’s wife (Luke 17v32). We are not to look back. When you hear the trumpet sound, you are to be READY. God will not snatch you away if your heart is not ready. If there is something in this world that is holding your heart, rather release it now, as that Day approaches. Do not try and put your affairs in order on that Day. There is no time. Do not delay. Luke 17 v33 [SUP]33 [/SUP]Whoever seeks to save his life will lose it, and whoever loses his life will preserve it.
 
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A little suggestion: Quickly give some CREDIT, or else one of our resident NITPICKERS are tear you a new one for supposedly "plagiarizing."
 

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The Great Sign in Heaven
Revelation 12 Now a great sign appeared in heaven: a woman clothed with the sun, with the moon under her feet, and on her head a garland of twelve stars. [SUP]2 [/SUP]Then being with child, she cried out in labor and in pain to give birth.
[SUP]3 [/SUP]And another sign appeared in heaven: behold, a great, fiery red dragon having seven heads and ten horns, and seven diadems on his heads. [SUP]4 [/SUP]His tail drew a third of the stars of heaven and threw them to the earth. And the dragon stood before the woman who was ready to give birth, to devour her Child as soon as it was born. [SUP]5 [/SUP]She bore a male Child who was to rule all nations with a rod of iron. And her Child was caught up to God and His throne. [SUP]6 [/SUP]Then the woman fled into the wilderness, where she has a place prepared by God, that they should feed her there one thousand two hundred and sixty days.



This sign is pictured above. This can be independently verified by downloading the Stellarium software, inserting the relevant criteria such as:
Location: Jerusalem
Date: 23 September 2017
Time: 18h00
What is fascinating is that this sign appears in this way only once, on this date. Researchers have gone back over 6000 years into history, as well as gone forward 1200 years into the future, and are unable to replicate this sign in any way that meets with all of the criteria.
The constellation of Virgo is the Woman, The Garland of 12 stars is made up of the stable 9 stars from the constellation of Leo (which are always above the head of Virgo), plus the addition of an additional 3 stars (Mercury , Mars and Venus) all coming into alignment on this same period of time. The Sun is located next to the head of the woman, and the Moon moves under her feet at this moment in time. Since the moon is the fastest moving object in the sign above, it gives an indication within a few hours of when the time of the sign is fulfilled, as the scripture indicates that the moon is under her feet. 18h00 as a time point is the completion of the Sabbath day in Israel. The point of note here, since the scriptures refer to the woman bringing forth a child, is that the planet Jupiter has been in gestation for exactly 42 weeks up until this point, which corresponds to a maximum full term pregnancy. At no other time in history, or in the future, has all of these individual signs come into perfect alignment and timing. We therefore believe convincingly that this sign in the skies is the Revelation 12 sign spoken of by the Apostle John in his Revelation from the Lord.
What do the symbols mean?
The Woman: The woman is believed to represent the nation of Israel. She is pictured with 12 stars above her head, representing the twelve tribes of Israel. We can also see reference to this very thing in the interpretation of Joseph’s dream in Genesis 37v9 and then interpreted in Genesis 37v10.
The Child: The Child represents Jesus Christ, as it refers to male Child in verse 5. Yet here is where the great mystery of the end times is also solved, and which we will prove below. Jesus ascended to the clouds in the sight of His disciples Acts 1v9, and we know that He is now at the right hand of the Father in heaven Acts 7v55. Yet the word for “taken up” in Acts 1v9 is the greek Strongs word “Epairw” which means to raise, lift or take up. There is no snatching or suddenness. Yet the word used in Revelation 12v5 for “caught up” which is the greek Strongs word “Arpazw” or “Harpazo” which means catch away, pluck, pull, or seize by force. It also means to snatch out of the way. So the snatching away of the Child is a very sudden event, just as the Dragon is waiting to devour the Child. This then refers to the “Rapture” of the church. The ones raptured are the bride of Christ, who are the body of believers who are found “faithful” on the Lords return in the clouds (Luke 18v8b). There are many who are left behind and the door on them will be shut; Matthew 24v48-51 and Matthew 25v1-13. The Lord is also coming for those who eagerly await His return; Hebrews 9v28b and Philippians 3v20. The Lord Jesus Christ is the Head of the Church. He is the Head of the Body. We as believers are the Body. We are together one body. Jesus ascended to the throne, and the rest of the body will ascend in the rapture to meet the Lord in the air. This is a corporate birthing of the church (we are born again individually, but at this moment of time, we are corporately birthed together – as Israel was born on a single day, so too is the church born corporately on a single day). It however also means the end of the Church Age and a transition into the end-times events as detailed in the Book of Revelation and elsewhere in the bible. The church has been birthed out of Israel (Jesus came from the tribe of Judah, so Jesus came from the Woman), and all those who are in Christ, are in His body, and are included as the Child.
The Dragon: Refers to Satan
The Third of the Stars of Heaven: Refers most likely to the third of the angels who rebelled with Satan – these are fallen angels or demons.

It is important to understand the above distinctions as we delve deeper into the Word of God. This will become very clear as scriptures point to this.

Firstly a bit about Israel and the Gentiles

Romans 11
[SUP]24 [/SUP]For if you were cut out of the olive tree which is wild by nature, and were grafted contrary to nature into a cultivated olive tree, how much more will these, who are natural branches, be grafted into their own olive tree?
[SUP]25 [/SUP]For I do not desire, brethren, that you should be ignorant of this mystery, lest you should be wise in your own opinion, that blindness in part has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in. [SUP]26 [/SUP]And so all Israel will be saved,[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]g[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] as it is written:
“The Deliverer will come out of Zion,
And He will turn away ungodliness from Jacob;
[SUP]27 [/SUP]For this is My covenant with them,
When I take away their sins.”[SUP][[/SUP]
[SUP]h[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP]

What we can glean from what Paul is writing to the church in Rome is this. That the Gentiles are to be humble in their consideration of Israel. The Gentiles were the wild olive branches grafted into the olive tree. It is by grace that this salvation offer has been gifted to the Gentiles. It is only because of Israel’s rejection of her Messiah that we have the door opened to the Gentiles. See what Paul writes a few verses earlier: Romans 10v19-21 [SUP]19 [/SUP]But I say, did Israel not know? First Moses says: “I will provoke you to jealousy by those who are not a nation, I will move you to anger by a foolish nation.” [SUP]20 [/SUP]But Isaiah is very bold and says: “I was found by those who did not seek Me; I was made manifest to those who did not ask for Me.” [SUP]21 [/SUP]But to Israel he says: “All day long I have stretched out My hands To a disobedient and contrary people.”
As a result of Israel’s corporate rejection of their Messiah (many did believe and are included in the Church, but by and large most of them did not, to this very day), God has given them over to blindness in part UNTIL the fullness of the Gentiles come in.
What this means is that today we still have Messianic Jews (Jews who believe Jesus is the Messiah), but by and large the vast majority do not, and they are awaiting the first coming of their Messiah. They have been blinded in part. Yet this blindness is NOT forever. It is “UNTIL” the fullness of the Gentiles have come in.
We can conclude that the church today is by far and large mostly made up of Gentile believers. For 2000 years since Christ, He has been calling upon the world, by the Holy Spirit, to repent and turn to Jesus Christ in faith. While the church of God today is still vast in terms of numbers, it is also likely that many believers who call themselves Christians may in fact not truly be serving the Lord. For the Word says:
2 Timothy 2 v19 [SUP]19 [/SUP]Nevertheless the solid foundation of God stands, having this seal: “The Lord knows those who are His,” and, “Let everyone who names the name of Christ[SUP][[/SUP][SUP]c[/SUP][SUP]][/SUP] depart from iniquity.” And we know that within the corporate church we are not seeing the standard of holy living required by the Word of God.
The current Church Age, which some believe began on the Day of Pentecost 2000 years ago, is now coming to its fulfilment. This I believe to be the time of the fullness of the Gentiles. There are a number of believers who God will save before He concludes this current Church Age, and then the blindness will be removed from Israel.
So what exactly is this “event” which triggers the change in the Ages? Could it be the “harpazo” or rapture of the Church believers? From the Revelation sign above it certainly looks like the Child is “snatched away” in an instant. If this were to happen, we could surmise the sudden shock to the world of what has just transpired. The Gentiles who called themselves Christian, yet were not willing to make Him Lord over their lives will be left behind. The Jews will mourn and weep and repent as they see this event as a confirmation that the Holy Bible is true, and they did not discern that Jesus Christ truly was the Messiah. And then you have the third category – people of the world who cared not for the things of God, nor had at any stage committed their lives to God. They themselves will be left dumbfounded and searching for an explanation for these things which have come to pass. Irrespective of what category people fall into after this “event”, they are all at risk of deception. 2 Thessalonians 2 v9-12 [SUP]9 [/SUP]The coming of the lawless one (Antichrist) is according to the working of Satan, with all power, signs, and lying wonders, [SUP]10 [/SUP]and with all unrighteous deception among those who perish, because they did not receive the love of the truth, that they might be saved. [SUP]11 [/SUP]And for this reason God will send them strong delusion, that they should believe the lie, [SUP]12 [/SUP]that they all may be condemned who did not believe the truth but had pleasure in unrighteousness.
Because people did not receive the love of the truth in this Church Age, because they did not accept Christ as Saviour AND Lord, because they loved their sins (unrighteousness) more than the gospel message of peace with God, God Himself sends them a strong delusion that they will believe the lie that’s about to be unleashed upon the world. This comes in with the new world leader (the Antichrist) and his false prophet.
The Rapture
Jesus returns in the clouds on this particular event to receive to Himself the bride who has prepared herself. She is caught up into the air in an instant: 1 Thessalonians 4 v15-17 [SUP]15 [/SUP]For this we say to you by the word of the Lord, that we who are alive and remain until the coming of the Lord will by no means precede those who are asleep. [SUP]16 [/SUP]For the Lord Himself will descend from heaven with a shout, with the voice of an archangel, and with the trumpet of God. And the dead in Christ will rise first. [SUP]17 [/SUP]Then we who are alive and remain shall be caught up together with them in the clouds to meet the Lord in the air. And thus we shall always be with the Lord.
But who does the Lord come for? Is it everybody who calls themselves a Christian? Let’s see what the scriptures say: Ephesians 5v27 [SUP]27 [/SUP]that He might present her to Himself a glorious church, not having spot or wrinkle or any such thing, but that she should be holy and without blemish. And again we see this in 1 Thessalonians 5v23 [SUP]23 [/SUP]Now may the God of peace Himself sanctify you completely; and may your whole spirit, soul, and body be preserved blameless at the coming of our Lord Jesus Christ. And again Revelation 19v7 [SUP]7 [/SUP]Let us be glad and rejoice and give Him glory, for the marriage of the Lamb has come, and His wife has made herself ready.” [SUP]8 [/SUP]And to her it was granted to be arrayed in fine linen, clean and bright, for the fine linen is the righteous acts of the saints.
Many Christians today are not living unspotted lives from the world. The world has once again crept into their lives. They are adulterers, liars, hating one another, unforgiving, backbiting, resentful, bitter, lustful. The list goes on and on. God’s Word is clear. We are to be sanctified – set apart (from the world) – holy. Why do you, Christian, have double mindedness? You cannot serve two masters. Choose today whom you will serve. By God’s grace, the power of victory is in your grasp if you will only believe. Let go of these worldly things and devote yourselves fully to Christ. For if you will not, you are in danger of being left behind. And I can assure you that the next “week of years” will come upon you as a trap.
OH no, not this again!

The signs of Rev.12 have nothing to do with the literal sun, moon and stars, but are revealed in Gen.37:9-10 to represent the nation Israel:

Sun = Jacob

Moon = wife/wives

Eleven Stars = Eleven of Jacobs sons, Joseph making twelve

Likewise Rev.12:9 identifies the dragon as symbolically representing Satan, as does Rev.20:2.

Again, this has nothing to do with cosmic signs or astrology in general.

In addition the church cannot be gathered in Rev.12 because the event of the woman fleeing out into the wilderness, as well as the dragon and his angels being cast out of heaven happen in the middle of the seven year and cover the entire last 3 1/2 years. This will be the result of the 7th trumpet. That means that if the church were to be gathered in Rev.12, it would put the church through the majority of God's wrath, which believers are not appointed to suffer. And which Jesus rescues us from, as well as the fact that he said that he would keep us out of that time of tribulation.

So no! Rev.12, Sept.23 have nothing to do with the church being gathered. This is just the latest false teaching going around.

Can anyone say "Walter Camping!"
 
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OH no, not this again!

The signs of Rev.12 have nothing to do with the literal sun, moon and stars, but are revealed in Gen.37:9-10 to represent the nation Israel:

Sun = Jacob

Moon = wife/wives

Eleven Stars = Eleven of Jacobs sons, Joseph making twelve

Likewise Rev.12:9 identifies the dragon as symbolically representing Satan, as does Rev.20:2.

Again, this has nothing to do with cosmic signs or astrology in general.

In addition the church cannot be gathered in Rev.12 because the event of the woman fleeing out into the wilderness, as well as the dragon and his angels being cast out of heaven happen in the middle of the seven year and cover the entire last 3 1/2 years. This will be the result of the 7th trumpet. That means that if the church were to be gathered in Rev.12, it would put the church through the majority of God's wrath, which believers are not appointed to suffer. And which Jesus rescues us from, as well as the fact that he said that he would keep us out of that time of tribulation.

So no! Rev.12, Sept.23 have nothing to do with the church being gathered. This is just the latest false teaching going around.

Can anyone say "Walter Camping!"
amen brother no man knoweth the day nor the hour!
 

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OH no, not this again!

The signs of Rev.12 have nothing to do with the literal sun, moon and stars, but are revealed in Gen.37:9-10 to represent the nation Israel:

Sun = Jacob

Moon = wife/wives

Eleven Stars = Eleven of Jacobs sons, Joseph making twelve

Likewise Rev.12:9 identifies the dragon as symbolically representing Satan, as does Rev.20:2.

Again, this has nothing to do with cosmic signs or astrology in general.

In addition the church cannot be gathered in Rev.12 because the event of the woman fleeing out into the wilderness, as well as the dragon and his angels being cast out of heaven happen in the middle of the seven year and cover the entire last 3 1/2 years. This will be the result of the 7th trumpet. That means that if the church were to be gathered in Rev.12, it would put the church through the majority of God's wrath, which believers are not appointed to suffer. And which Jesus rescues us from, as well as the fact that he said that he would keep us out of that time of tribulation.

So no! Rev.12, Sept.23 have nothing to do with the church being gathered. This is just the latest false teaching going around.

Can anyone say "Walter Camping!"
Correction: that would Harold Camping. Hard to keep track of all the date setters!
 
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It's one thing to look for the coming of the Lord. However generally speaking, don't put yourself in with the date setting crowd. There are many people whose faith has been changed for the worst focusing on a date.
 

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It's one thing to look for the coming of the Lord. However generally speaking, don't put yourself in with the date setting crowd. There are many people whose faith has been changed for the worst focusing on a date.
I couldn't agree with you more, PrynceNY. You'd think that people would learn from all of the failures from all of the previous date setters. This has been said so many times and it needs to continue to be said which is, "no one knows the day or the hour" and that is what it means. We can know that we are drawing very near to that last seven years and therefore the gathering of the church, which must come first. But that is as far as we can go. We can only continue to watch and anticipate the Lord's appearing as we see the stage being set for the events that must take place after the church has been removed.
 
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I couldn't agree with you more, PrynceNY. You'd think that people would learn from all of the failures from all of the previous date setters. This has been said so many times and it needs to continue to be said which is, "no one knows the day or the hour" and that is what it means. We can know that we are drawing very near to that last seven years and therefore the gathering of the church, which must come first. But that is as far as we can go. We can only continue to watch and anticipate the Lord's appearing as we see the stage being set for the events that must take place after the church has been removed.
Yes a preacher i regularly listen to named Charles Lawson did a sermon recently on date setting predictions and there were alot. Even Christopher Colombus predicted a date for the lord which was news to me. But of course nothing happened. As you said the scriptures says no one knows and will be at at hour you lease expect. If even the angels don't know who are in heaven surely nooe of us know on earth. There's no question we are in the end times but the lord wants us focused leading souls to him not dates of his return.