Is the great biblical flood real or not?
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The flood really happened exactly as it says.
But people have changed perspective, of how they view the passages.
Today, when think about the meaning of the word "earth", we thing of the planet, a ball in space.
But 2500 years ago, "earth", would have been, only the land and seas that had been explored, mapped.
When Noah says that the "earth" was flooded, it's only a description of the world that was known by the human souls at that time.
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But the flood was world wide, ocean levels have increased over the last 10,000 years by 100's of feet.
How fast the change was, is not known, it was not necessarily gradual.
But it did not cover all the mountains on planet earth, only the ones the Noah knew.
In the Americas and Asia many animals and people probably did survive.
The animals on the ark were the ones in the area where the human souls lived, not planet wide.
Higher elevations and continent interiors were survivable.
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The flood was probably caused by an asteroid hitting the ice sheet of the n pole/Arctic.
The heat and force of the blast would send water into the atmosphere that would immediately turn to rain.
The vast area of melted ice would flood the local seas and greater oceans by 100's of feet.
The earthquake caused by the impact, would break lose areas of underground waters, local to Noah, known by Noah.
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The flood is real, and Noah's account is accurate, from his perspective.
It's the modern understanding of the words, and viewpoint, that makes it hard to explain sometimes.
But people have changed perspective, of how they view the passages.
Today, when think about the meaning of the word "earth", we thing of the planet, a ball in space.
But 2500 years ago, "earth", would have been, only the land and seas that had been explored, mapped.
When Noah says that the "earth" was flooded, it's only a description of the world that was known by the human souls at that time.
----
But the flood was world wide, ocean levels have increased over the last 10,000 years by 100's of feet.
How fast the change was, is not known, it was not necessarily gradual.
But it did not cover all the mountains on planet earth, only the ones the Noah knew.
In the Americas and Asia many animals and people probably did survive.
The animals on the ark were the ones in the area where the human souls lived, not planet wide.
Higher elevations and continent interiors were survivable.
--
The flood was probably caused by an asteroid hitting the ice sheet of the n pole/Arctic.
The heat and force of the blast would send water into the atmosphere that would immediately turn to rain.
The vast area of melted ice would flood the local seas and greater oceans by 100's of feet.
The earthquake caused by the impact, would break lose areas of underground waters, local to Noah, known by Noah.
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The flood is real, and Noah's account is accurate, from his perspective.
It's the modern understanding of the words, and viewpoint, that makes it hard to explain sometimes.
What about Jesus Christ and His words? Does this prove that He is a Roman Catholic? No. Just because the RCC believed the scripture in Genesis in chapters 1 through 11 literally, it does not mean that Jesus had not.
Jesus validated scripture as something that cannot be broken or changed.
John 10:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?[SUP] 35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Jesus validated the creation of man and woman by defending the first marriage performed by God.
Matthew 19:[SUP]3 [/SUP]The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,[SUP] 5 [/SUP]And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?[SUP]8 [/SUP]He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Now if those beginnings were not to be taken literally as scripture even by the Jews, they would be laughing at Jesus so hard and even ignoring His warning of what is to come if Noah's flood was just a story.
Luke 17:[SUP]26 [/SUP]And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.[SUP]28 [/SUP]Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;[SUP]29 [/SUP]But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.[SUP]30 [/SUP]Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
So how can YOU take His warning as real if those were merely stories in references? If the stories were not real in references, then how can any one take His warning seriously?
So stop using the RCC as a valid reason for dismissing the literal reading of Genesis, because Jesus was not Roman Catholic.
I know you know that, but you seem to be glossing over His words as if scripture can be broken and as if no one could really stone any one to death if they spoke something not true in according to His words for how the Jews took the scriptures seriously.
John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.....[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
That is why I believe the evolution theory is false because I believe in His unchanging words over man's everchanging words.
Jesus validated scripture as something that cannot be broken or changed.
John 10:[SUP]34 [/SUP]Jesus answered them, Is it not written in your law, I said, Ye are gods?[SUP] 35 [/SUP]If he called them gods, unto whom the word of God came, and the scripture cannot be broken;[SUP] 36 [/SUP]Say ye of him, whom the Father hath sanctified, and sent into the world, Thou blasphemest; because I said, I am the Son of God?
Jesus validated the creation of man and woman by defending the first marriage performed by God.
Matthew 19:[SUP]3 [/SUP]The Pharisees also came unto him, tempting him, and saying unto him, Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?[SUP] 4 [/SUP]And he answered and said unto them, Have ye not read, that he which made them at the beginning made them male and female,[SUP] 5 [/SUP]And said, For this cause shall a man leave father and mother, and shall cleave to his wife: and they twain shall be one flesh?[SUP] 6 [/SUP]Wherefore they are no more twain, but one flesh. What therefore God hath joined together, let not man put asunder.[SUP] 7 [/SUP]They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?[SUP]8 [/SUP]He saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so.
Now if those beginnings were not to be taken literally as scripture even by the Jews, they would be laughing at Jesus so hard and even ignoring His warning of what is to come if Noah's flood was just a story.
Luke 17:[SUP]26 [/SUP]And as it was in the days of Noe, so shall it be also in the days of the Son of man.[SUP] 27 [/SUP]They did eat, they drank, they married wives, they were given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered into the ark, and the flood came, and destroyed them all.[SUP]28 [/SUP]Likewise also as it was in the days of Lot; they did eat, they drank, they bought, they sold, they planted, they builded;[SUP]29 [/SUP]But the same day that Lot went out of Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven, and destroyed them all.[SUP]30 [/SUP]Even thus shall it be in the day when the Son of man is revealed.
So how can YOU take His warning as real if those were merely stories in references? If the stories were not real in references, then how can any one take His warning seriously?
So stop using the RCC as a valid reason for dismissing the literal reading of Genesis, because Jesus was not Roman Catholic.
I know you know that, but you seem to be glossing over His words as if scripture can be broken and as if no one could really stone any one to death if they spoke something not true in according to His words for how the Jews took the scriptures seriously.
John 5:[SUP]39 [/SUP]Search the scriptures; for in them ye think ye have eternal life: and they are they which testify of me.[SUP] 40 [/SUP]And ye will not come to me, that ye might have life.....[SUP]46 [/SUP]For had ye believed Moses, ye would have believed me; for he wrote of me.[SUP]47 [/SUP]But if ye believe not his writings, how shall ye believe my words?
That is why I believe the evolution theory is false because I believe in His unchanging words over man's everchanging words.
Are some people really so naïve that they do not understand the difference between what the Bible says, and their personal interpretation of it—or are they using a terribly dishonest argument to defend their personal interpretation of the Bible? Genesis 6-8, if interpreted to be an accurate, literal account of actual historical events rather and a divinely inspired saga or epic tale given to us by God to teach a lesson much more important than a story about a boat filled with animals, presents to the reader an absolutely impossible scenario! Would God do such a thing?
The impossibility of the scenario has been laid out very clearly in this thread, yet most of the replies ignore the impossibility of the scenario, and simply say that it happened because God said it happened. But God said no such thing! He gave us a saga or epic tale to teach us some very important truths about Himself—and about us. He did not lie to us and tell us that the impossible happened. Yes, miracles do happen, but Genesis 6-8 says nothing at all about God miraculously doing anything.
The impossibility of the scenario has been laid out very clearly in this thread, yet most of the replies ignore the impossibility of the scenario, and simply say that it happened because God said it happened. But God said no such thing! He gave us a saga or epic tale to teach us some very important truths about Himself—and about us. He did not lie to us and tell us that the impossible happened. Yes, miracles do happen, but Genesis 6-8 says nothing at all about God miraculously doing anything.
Luke 17:26. “And just as it happened in the days of Noah, so it will be also in the days of the Son of Man:
27. they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
28. “It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building;
29. but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
30. “It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed.” (NASB, 1995)
We have in this passage part of a teaching that Jesus that gave to His disciples concerning His second coming. In Luke’s gospel, this teaching is immediately followed by some parables on prayer. It is argued by some fundamentalist Christians that these verses prove that Gen. 6-8 is a literal account of actual historical events rather and a divinely inspired saga or epic tale given to us by God to teach a lesson much more important than a story about a boat filled with animals. However, in this passage, Jesus neither affirms nor denies that Gen. 6-8 is a literal account of actual historical events. Is He simply using the story of Noah and the ark as a teaching tool (I have done that many times myself)? Luke does not tell us.
27. they were eating, they were drinking, they were marrying, they were being given in marriage, until the day that Noah entered the ark, and the flood came and destroyed them all.
28. “It was the same as happened in the days of Lot: they were eating, they were drinking, they were buying, they were selling, they were planting, they were building;
29. but on the day that Lot went out from Sodom it rained fire and brimstone from heaven and destroyed them all.
30. “It will be just the same on the day that the Son of Man is revealed.” (NASB, 1995)
We have in this passage part of a teaching that Jesus that gave to His disciples concerning His second coming. In Luke’s gospel, this teaching is immediately followed by some parables on prayer. It is argued by some fundamentalist Christians that these verses prove that Gen. 6-8 is a literal account of actual historical events rather and a divinely inspired saga or epic tale given to us by God to teach a lesson much more important than a story about a boat filled with animals. However, in this passage, Jesus neither affirms nor denies that Gen. 6-8 is a literal account of actual historical events. Is He simply using the story of Noah and the ark as a teaching tool (I have done that many times myself)? Luke does not tell us.
If God speaks to you and reveals Himself to you, your no longer concerned about events, real or not. Neither are we for real apart from Him. "Without Love I am nothing." Concludes that the mind of the flesh was created from nothing. I'm not concerned whether the earth is young or old, neither challenges my Faith. The Love of God challenges my faith. As for the days of creation, personally I think a billion years each and God had to recreate because of the rebellion in heaven. Kind of like what happened on earth. Since the fall of man, just short of 6,000 years and we are about to enter the millennium reign of Christ and those who followed Him in His sufferings. There is apparently Just short of 14 billion years at the speed of light around us and to top it off at the speed of light there is no time, proving the existence of God in eternity. But proofs don't help us believe, "Faith works by Love."
NO,there is a difference in the Interpretation and God's WORD. It is this interpretation by ones lifetstyle, worldview, pier pressure or pressures fro society as a whole.
Yes, I agree with you and that is why some are false Christians. How can one throw out whole books by symbolizing God's Words into something that in essence will benefit their lifestyle, world view, etc.
How can one believe in Jesus Christ yet Not believe it when HE tells us there was a flood that was brought upon the earth, that it killed everyone with the exception of eight. They are both HIS WORDS.
I have heard this a lot. Well the Bible was written and rewritten many times and it is simply wrong but I still believe in Jesus.
Yes, we are told in 1 Cor 15:1-4 of the Gospel of Jesus Christ but again those are words...If the Bible is errant,,, how can those words be true......Why even pick up the Bible in the first place.
I suggest that as with Atheist, those who want to distort the Bible away from it literal meaning are doing so in order to support their lifestyle that is most cases a sinning lifestyle.
One of the things, I like to ask Atheist is "How do you get rid of the your Guilt". So far, I have yet to have one tell me they have no guilt.
Yes, I agree with you and that is why some are false Christians. How can one throw out whole books by symbolizing God's Words into something that in essence will benefit their lifestyle, world view, etc.
How can one believe in Jesus Christ yet Not believe it when HE tells us there was a flood that was brought upon the earth, that it killed everyone with the exception of eight. They are both HIS WORDS.
I have heard this a lot. Well the Bible was written and rewritten many times and it is simply wrong but I still believe in Jesus.
Yes, we are told in 1 Cor 15:1-4 of the Gospel of Jesus Christ but again those are words...If the Bible is errant,,, how can those words be true......Why even pick up the Bible in the first place.
I suggest that as with Atheist, those who want to distort the Bible away from it literal meaning are doing so in order to support their lifestyle that is most cases a sinning lifestyle.
One of the things, I like to ask Atheist is "How do you get rid of the your Guilt". So far, I have yet to have one tell me they have no guilt.
