GOD'S SABBATH AND THE REAL TRUTH OF COL 2:14-17 WHO DO WE BELIEVE GOD or MAN?

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You know this already, but SDA doctrine does not believe in salvation by grace through faith, but the doctrines of the Seal of God (Sabbath worship), The Mark of the Beast (Sunday worship), non-assurance of salvation, and finally the infamous investigative judgement!
According to SDA doctrine the final discriminator of salvation is the day that one worships - nothing more and nothing less!
(Oh, and with the non-assurance of salvation thing you would need to do this to your dying day!!)
And good old LGF is a true believer in this regard - I refer you to the website that he so prominently advertises with every post!
The false teaching of LGF really worries me, but I'm hoping that if we can make him think for himself by asking a few pertinent questions, then maybe he might see the error?
 

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The false teaching of LGF really worries me, but I'm hoping that if we can make him think for himself by asking a few pertinent questions, then maybe he might see the error?
Read my posts from today from not just this thread but the other one started recently on the Sabbath by Arial.
Logic and common sense do not seem to strongpoints of his...
Still hoping that he might see the light though....
 

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The false teaching of LGF really worries me, but I'm hoping that if we can make him think for himself by asking a few pertinent questions, then maybe he might see the error?
False teaching?

You just taught the same thing.
Clarification. The commandments are for all time, however those who come believing to Jesus in repentance will have their sins forgiven.

Hebrews 10:17 Then he adds: "Their sins and lawless acts I will remember no more."

Luke 5:20 When Jesus saw their faith, he said, "Friend, your sins are forgiven."

Matthew 9:5 Which is easier: to say, 'Your sins are forgiven,' or to say, 'Get up and walk'?

Mark 2:5 When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the paralyzed man, "Son, your sins are forgiven."

Matthew 9:2 Some men brought to him a paralyzed man, lying on a mat. When Jesus saw their faith, he said to the man, "Take heart, son; your sins are forgiven."

Matthew 26:28 This is my blood of the covenant, which is poured out for many for the forgiveness of sins.

Isaiah 43:25 "I, even I, am he who blots out your transgressions, for my own sake, and remembers your sins no more.
And then you said something that contradicts what you just said.
Yes, so why do you keep banging on to believers about keeping the commandments?
 
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Read my posts from today from not just this thread but the other one started recently on the Sabbath by Arial.
Logic and common sense do not seem to strongpoints of his...
Still hoping that he might see the light though....
I did. They are posted out of context.
 
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Read my posts from today from not just this thread but the other one started recently on the Sabbath by Arial.Logic and common sense do not seem to strongpoints of his...Still hoping that he might see the light though....
How can you have light when your lamp has gone out?

Posting your own Words over God's WORD only makes you an UNBELIEVER.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 

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He is the one who said Jesus is being boiled in hot excrement.

That is very unlike anything I have ever seen attributed to him! Can you cite a reliable source?
 

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False teaching?

You just taught the same thing.And then you said something that contradicts what you just said.
He is preaching salvation by works. (Law keeping) The law condemns. We are all sinners under the law. The law cannot save from sin.
 
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I promised somewhere to dig this up for GNP...

THE FALSE GOSPEL FROM THE GARDEN OF EDEN

Are you following the first lie?

Let's start at John and at the beginning of Genesis 3

Let's start here with the father of lies......

John 8
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Ye are of your father the devil, and the lusts of your father ye will do. He was a murderer from the beginning, and abode not in the truth, because there is no truth in him. When he speaketh a lie, he speaketh of his own: FOR HE IS A LIAR AND THE FATHER OF IT.

The Devil is the Father of LIES those that do not FOLLOW God follow their Father the devil and the deeds of their father they will do.

links to...........

1 John 2
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And hereby we do know that we know him, if we keep his commandments.
4, He that saith, I KNOW HIM, and KEEPS NOT HIS COMMANDMENTS, is a LIAR, AND THE TRUTH IS NOT IN HIM

links to...........

1 John 3
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Whosoever committeth sin transgresseth also the law: for sin is the transgression of the law.
5, And ye know that he was manifested to take away our sins; and in him is no sin.
6, Whosoever abideth in him sinneth not: whosoever sinneth hath not seen him, neither known him.
7, Little children, let no man deceive you: he that doeth righteousness is righteous, even as he is righteous.
8, He that committeth sin is of the devil
; (the father of lies and the deeds of their father they will do)

The father of lies from the begining. Let's go to the beginning will look at separate meanings and types....

Genesis 3
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Now the SEPENT <Satan Rev 12:9> was more subtil than any beast of the field which the LORD God had made. And he said unto the WOMEN <Church good or bad; Jeremiah 6:2; 2 Corinthians 11:2; Ephesians 5:23-27; Isaiah 1:21-27; Jeremiah 3:1-3; 6-9; Ezk 16:15-58; 23:2-21; Hos. 2:5; 3:1; Rev. 14:4>, Yea, hath God said, Ye shall not eat of every tree of the garden?

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And the woman said unto the serpent, We may eat of the FRUIT of the trees of the garden: <FRUIT of OBEDIENCE (James 2:18; 20; 26; Matthew 7:12-23; Jon 15:1-10)

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But of the FRUIT of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, LEST YOU DIE <God's LAW; represents God's 10 commandments which gives the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEUSNESS; Good and Evil; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; but makes nothing perfect>.

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And the serpent said unto the woman, YOU SHALL NOT SURELY DIE:< The first LIE from the beginning; John 8:44)

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For God doth know that in the day ye eat thereof, then your eyes shall be opened, and ye shall be as gods, KNOWING GOOD AND EVIL. < Prior to DIOBEYING God Mankind DID NOT KNOW what EVIL (SIN) was because they were in HARMONY and OBEDIENT to God's WORD>

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And when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was pleasant to the eyes, and a tree to be desired to make one wise, she took of the fruit thereof, and did eat, and gave also unto her husband with her; and he did eat.

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And THE EYES OF THEM WERE OPENED, AND THEY KNEW THAT THEY WERE NAKED; and they sewed fig leaves together, and made themselves aprons. <God's LAW is the KNOWLEDGE of SIN and RIGHTEOUSNESS; When they SINNED they now had the KNOWLEDGE of both GOOD and EVIL; Romans 3:20; 7:7; James 2:11; 1 John 3:4; Ps 119:172; The saw that they were naked and tried to cover themselves with figleaves; SIN took away their RIGHTEOUSNESS and now they are guilty before God in SIN; NAKED before God in SIN trying to cover themselves with figleaves (flithy rags) Isaiah 63:6; Righteousness to cover our nakedness only from God; Luke 15:22; If we SIN we lose it; Romans 3:19 >

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And they heard the voice of the LORD God walking in the garden in the cool of the day: and Adam and his wife hid themselves from the presence of the LORD God amongst the trees of the garden.

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And the LORD God called unto Adam, and said unto him, Where art thou?
10, And he said, I heard thy voice in the garden, and I was afraid, because I was naked; and I hid myself.
11, And he said, Who told thee that thou wast naked? Hast thou eaten of the tree, whereof I commanded thee that thou shouldest not eat?

Key points and putting it all together..........

The Serpent and father of LIES is the Devil he lied to MANKIND from the beginning. God's Commandment to Adam and Eve was NOT to eat of the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) lest you DIE.

Adam and Eve did not have the KNOWLEDGE of GOOD and EVIL (SIN AND RIGHTESOUNESS) because they had NEVER SINNED and where in HARMONY with God in OBEDIENCE to HIS WORD.

THE TREE OF THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL REPRESENTS GOD's Commandments. The TAKING THE FRUIT symbolizes BREAKING the TREE and DISOBEYING God's Commandment.

God says do not eat of the fruit, lest you DIE. By eating the fruit Adam and Eve chose NOT TO BELIEVE GOD and to BELIEVE the serpent. (UNBELIEF in GOD's WORD)

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THIS IS A WARNING FOR US TODAY. THE same LIE told to ADAM and EVE is being repeated in the mainstream Churches of today.

SIN is the transgression of GOD'S LAW and if anyone CONTINUES in KNOWN UNREPENTANT SIN; God's WORD says they will DIE and not ENTER THE KINGDOM of HEAVEN because they have rejected the GIFT of God's dear son (Romans 6:23; Hebrews 10:26-27; 6:4-8; Matthew 7:12-23)

It is only by partaking of the TREE of LIFE (BELIEVING AND FOLLOWING God's Word by LOVE) through FAITH that Gods FRUITS of OBEDIENCE are seen in the life of God's true people (1 John 3:3-10; Revelation 12:17; 14:12; 22:14) and is why Jesus says if you LOVE me keep my commandments ( John 14:15; 15:10)

If you break God's Commandments just like in the days of Adam and EVE you commit SIN (Romans 7:7; James 2:9-11; 1 John 3:4)

Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will surely die and will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12). If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,<when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come> calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
Sola Scriptura where are you?

Right, here is the summary of your position above....
What possible PROOF do you have that the tree of the knowledge of good and evil represented the Torah. or partaking of the fruit of that tree, is, in fact, the reception of the Torah.
WHAT GIVES US THE KNOWLEDGE OF GOOD AND EVIL?

ROMANS 3 [20], Therefore by the deeds of the law there shall no flesh be justified in his sight: FOR BY THE LAW IS THE KNOWLEDGE OF SIN.

All you have provided is an INTERPRETATION that stretches credulity. This is what we call eisegesis (this means reading into a passage of Scripture a meaning that CANNOT be obtained by reading it).
Not at all only God's WORD has been shared with you. You choose not to BELIEVE God's WORD. You speak your OWN words because you do not have God's WORD. This is your decision to BELIEVE or NOT BELIEVE. I do not judge you. The WORDS that you reject are not my words but God's WORD. It is God's WORD that will be our judge in the last days (John 12:47-48).

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it. It is hard to kick against the prick when your lamp has gone out and the road is dark and narrow.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,&lt;when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come&gt; calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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We are redeemed from the penalty of sin. Set free, bought with a price.

Jesus suffered death in our place by which means he conquered death, so enabling us to have eternal life.
Yes true, but man must learn to submit to God in Love and obedience to receive HIS Spirit who is our HELPER to eternal life.
 

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He is preaching salvation by works. (Law keeping) The law condemns. We are all sinners under the law. The law cannot save from sin.
Amen! He is preaching salvation by "grace plus law, faith plus works." His doctrine of salvation is a subtle mixture of law and grace that is a perversion of the Gospel. (Galatians 1:6-9) :(

Originally Posted by LoveGodForever
None of what you have said above is true at all. Funny here is me all this time thinking you are teaching another Gospel.

What is the other Gospel?

It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's Law (10 commandments) from the Cross. The counterfeit Gospel is out there. It is a Gospel that tries to separate God's 10 commandments from the plan of salvation.

God’s Law has always been part of the true Gospel of Christ. The counterfeit Gospel does not have it. God's forever Law (the 10 commandments) is the foundation of both the Old and the New Covenant and the very foundation and basis of the true Gospel of Christ.



 
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He is preaching salvation by works. (Law keeping) The law condemns. We are all sinners under the law. The law cannot save from sin.
Yes, so why do you keep banging on to believers about keeping the commandments?
Now you are making things up PS,

All through this thread and else where it has only ever been stated that.........

We are ONLY SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest anyman should boast.

However if your FAITH does not have the FRUIT of OBEDEINCE then you are still in your SINS because you have REJECTED the GIFT of God's dear son (James 2:18;20;26, Romans 6:23).

If your tree has NO FRUIT then it will be cast down and thrown into the fire (Matt 7:12-23; Hebrews 10:26-27).

WHAT IS GRACE FOR?

Romans 1
5, By whom we have received GRACE and apostleship, FOR OBEDIENCE TO THE FAITH among all nations, for his name.

Romans 6
1, What shall we say then? Shall we continue in sin, that grace may abound? God forbid. 2, How shall we, that are dead to sin, live any longer therein?

DOES FAITH ABOLISH GOD'S LAW?

Romans 3
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Do we then ABOLISH THE LAW THROUGH FAITH? GOD FORBID: YES, WE ESTABLISH THE LAW.


WHAT WILL HAPPEN TO THOSE WHO CONTINUE IN SIN ONCE THEY RECEIVE A KNOWLEDGE OF THE TRUTH?

Hebrews 10
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For if we sin willfully after that we have received the knowledge of the truth, there remains no more sacrifice for sins,
27, But a certain fearful looking for of judgment and fiery indignation, which shall devour the adversaries.

Indeed, those who CONTINUE IN SIN will not enter the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

Those who do not know God's WORD or how to respond to the scriptures always tell the lies that someone is teaching salvation by works because they do not know God's WORD or the GOSPEL of Christ which is the POWER of God unto salvation in all those who BELIEVE.

Only God's WORD is true and we should BELIEVE and FOLLOW it over the teachings and traditions of the Roman Catholic Church.

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SIN is the breaking of God's Commandments (James 2:9-11; Romans 7:7; 1 John 3:4) Those who CONTINUE in UNREPENTANT SIN will NOT enter into the KINGDOM of HEAVEN.

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God's 4th commandment is one of the ten (Exodus 20:8-11) If we knowingly break it when God asks us not to we stand guilty before God of committing sin (James 2:8-12).

If we do not seek him in repentance and forgiveness we are in danger of the Judgement (Hebrews 10:26-27)

Sunday worship is a tradition and teaching of man that has led many to break the commandments of God. Jesus says that if we follow the traditions of man that break the commandments of God we are not following God (Matthew 15:3-9)

There is not one scripture in all of God's Word that says that God's 4th Commandment is now ABOLISHED and we are now commanded to KEEP Sunday as a Holy day.

Who should we follow the teachings and traditions of men or the Word of God? Who should we believe the Words of men or the Word of God?

In times of ignorance God winks at but now ,&lt;when a KNOWLEDGE of the truth has come&gt; calls all men everywhere to REPENT (FOLLOW) (Acts 17:30-31).
 
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That is very unlike anything I have ever seen attributed to him! Can you cite a reliable source?
I can only put may hand on this just now. I posted them before, you will remember.

Sanhedrin 106a . Says Jesus' mother was a whore: "She who was the descendant of princes and governors played the harlot with carpenters." Also in footnote #2 to Shabbath 104b of the Soncino edition, it is stated that in the "uncensored" text of the Talmud it is written that Jesus mother, "Miriam the hairdresser," had sex with many men.

"Jesus is in hell, being boiled in "hot excrement" (Gittin 57a).

"Mary, the mother of Jesus, was a whore and played the harlot with carpenters" (Sanhedrin, 106a,b).

"[Christ] practised sorcery and enticed Israel to apostacy" (Sanhedrin, 43a).

Under the Talmud's counterfeit Noahide Laws, the worship of Jesus is forbidden under penalty of death, since such worship of Christ is condemned by Judaism as idolatry. Meanwhile various forms of incest are permitted under the Talmudic understanding of the Noahide code. (Enziklopediya Talmudit, note 1, pp. 351-352).

Sanhedrin 43a. Says Jesus ("Yeshu" and in Soncino footnote #6, Yeshu "the Nazarene") was executed because he practiced sorcery: "It is taught that on the eve of Passover Jesus was hung, and forty days before this the proclamation was made: Jesus is to be stoned to death because he has practiced sorcery and has lured the people to idolatry...He was an enticer and of such thou shalt not pity or condone."

Jesus Christ (the bastard boy who "uncovered his head" was conceived in the filth of menstruation).

"According to the Talmud, Jesus was executed by a proper rabbinical court for idolatry, inciting other Jews to idolatry, and contempt of rabbinical authority.


Also click
HERE and search Jesus. Not pleasant reading.
 

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Yes, so why do you keep banging on to believers about keeping the commandments?
Simple...because people are still breaking them as long as they break one of them ! They have not yet accomplished the purpose to which God sent them and will not return to Him void....Is 55v11
so therefore we must still preach them !!!
 

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Simple...because people are still breaking them as long as they break one of them ! They have not yet accomplished the purpose to which God sent them and will not return to Him void....Is 55v11
so therefore we must still preach them !!!
In other words our goal is just NOT TO BREAK THE RULES!!!!!!
(Whatever those are)
Oh brother......
 

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He is preaching salvation by works. (Law keeping) The law condemns. We are all sinners under the law. The law cannot save from sin.
true, the law can not save...but it can show where we go wrong and thus give us opportunity through GRACE to be corrected and saved. The law can not save from sin but it can bring us to CHRIST WHO CAN save us. Let us follow in the steps provided by God and just DO as He says !
The 10 Commandments are NOT the 'works of the law, they are eternal, spiritual, holy just and good teaching us how to Love God and neighbour .
 
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Now you are making things up PS,

All through this thread and else where it has only ever been stated that.........

We are ONLY SAVED by GRACE through FAITH and NOT of OURSELVES it is a GIFT of GOD and NOT of WORKS lest anyman should boast.
So God's grace is not sufficient to save the sinner!

You have a fake god.
 

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Why do you say that? We are saved by God's grace through OUR faith. :) Of course His grace is sufficient to save the sinner, or else we'd all be in big trouble..


So God's grace is not sufficient to save the sinner!

You have a fake god.
 

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In other words our goal is just NOT TO BREAK THE RULES!!!!!!
(Whatever those are)
Oh brother......
you don't think we should obey God ? Heb 5v9. follow in Jesus' steps ? how will you ever be conformed to HIS image if you don't ?
 

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true, the law can not save...but it can show where we go wrong and thus give us opportunity through GRACE to be corrected and saved. The law can not save from sin but it can bring us to CHRIST WHO CAN save us. Let us follow in the steps provided by God and just DO as He says !
I have this personal philosophy, I wouldn't teach it to others, but it is this.

"Harm no one, help those you can, bring honour and glory God in all you do, then your life, in each and every day, will be Holy unto the Lord."

Live life like that and you won't break any of the commandments.