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As background, I was raised as a Trinitarian by loving godly parents and went on to get a Trinitarian college education and then into Trinitarian Pastoral ministry. I believed Trinity, taught Trinity, and declared anything non-Trinity as anathema just like the majority of Trinitarians do. Then I heard the basics of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ and received salvation and was scripturally baptized.

After being grounded in the truth of the Word, I've spent the intervening 13 years in deep prayer and study of the Word while fasting many months at a time. My one prevailing prayer has been for the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him (Ephesians 1:17). I've exhaustively studied Church history, and have read every Ante-Nicene writing extant. I've researched the lives and beliefs of every early church father and every permutation of Christian doctrine, as well as the philosophical and gnostic beliefs of all the influential men of renown.

I say all this simply as an introduction and an overview of the means of my leading of the Spirit. This is not eisegesis of my own view or a personal opinion; it is a thorough and prayerful long-term exegesis that I have very nearly given my physical life for in fasting nigh unto death. That process may or may not mean anything to readers, but I want to clarify that this isn't just some academic intellectual opinion from my own mind.

I affirm the following:
There is One Deity.
The Father is Deity.
The Holy Spirit is Deity.
The Word (Son) is Deity.
These Three are One Deity.
The Father is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Holy Spirit is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Word is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Father is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Holy Spirit is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Son is Uncreated and the Only Begotten.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit nor the Son (Word).
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son (Word).
The Word (Son) is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son proceeded forth and came from God, Sent by the Father.
The Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father, Sent by the Father and the Son.
(The Holy Spirit proceedeth NOT from both the Father and Son, though Sent by Both.)
Jesus is the Son of God and is Fully Divine, Begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the son of man and is fully human with a rational soul, born of the Virgin by the Holy Spirit.
The Virgin Birth of Jesus was a Supernatural Procreative Act of God, not a Creative Act.
God hath made Jesus both Lord and Christ. He is the Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm not any forumulation of Trinitarian, Binitarian, Unitarian, Arian, Sabellian, Tritheist, or Ditheist. I'm not Gnostic, JW, SDA, LDS, or any World Religion of any kind. If I had to describe the truth in theoligcal terms, I'd refer to it as Merismos Monotheism. It is the pure understanding of God as One Divinity, untainted by the doctrines and traditions of men.

There are many understandings involved in knowing the whole truth:
The Rhema-Logos Word
The rhema-logos word
The Constitution of God
The Constitution of Man
The Creation of Adam
The Creation of Eve
The Life in the Blood
The Inward Progression of Sin
The Outward Progression of Sanctification
The Composition of the Tabernacle
The Composition of the Temple
The Temple Not Made with Hands
The Propagation of Human Souls-Spirits
The Virgin Birth
The Transcendence of Jesus
The Transcendence of Man
Uncreated Life vs. Created Life
The Earnest of Our Inheritance
The Redemption of the Purchased Possession
In My Father's House Are Many Mansions
...ad infinitum...

I'll begin with the basics and build a framework for understanding the truth. There is substantial exegesis of Scripture beyond what I initially present, but I'm trying to keep it scaled down for simplicity and general understanding.

"In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. ...And the Logos was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." -John 1:1-3,14

Logos and Rhema are inseparable, though distinct. They both comprise the spoken word, but are two parts of that spoken word. There can be no Logos without Rhema.

Rhema is the substance content that is the subject matter that is thought and spoken about. Logos is the reason, wisdom, and intelligent thought and expression of that subject matter. Rhema is the Divine Content of the Divine Expression; Logos is the Divine Expression of the Divine Content. Both the Rhema and Logos precede the utterance. To be spoken, the Rhema-Logos is borne forth from the internal depths of one's essence, containing the very substance of that essence in the external speaking forth from the internal. It is borne by the breath (pneuma: spirit).

Rhema-Logos is the total substance of the complete essence of God's Self, externalized from silence to expression by the breath of His Spirit. The internal Word became the external Son, eternally pre-existent to proceed*forth and come from God.

Logos is the intelligent thought and speaking forth of all that is contained in its counterpart, Rhema. Logos is the rational reason, wisdom, intelligence, and thought of God spoken forth in the word or discourse of His plan and arrangement to reveal Himself in and to His creation. It is his thorough contemplation of pondering, knowing, and expressing outwardly and externally from Himself. It is the Divine Expression.

That which is being reasoned, contemplated, pondered, and thought to be outwardly expressed is the Rhema. Rhema is the substance content of Himself... God OWN Self. Everything that God IS is within the Rhema portion of the spoken word. It is the subject matter of Divine Content. The Logos reasons and thinks to speak forth the entire substance of content that is God's OWN Self.

The Rhema-Logos precedes the act of the utterance. God silently planned and arranged within Himself everything that He was afterwards about to utter through His Word; while He was thus planning and arranging with His own wisdom and reason, He was actually causing the very substance of His own essence to become Word, borne forth by His breath after it was initiated by His will (thelema).

He thought and willed to speak forth the entirety of Hismelf upon His breath, which was the Word. His mind and will and emotion thought and chose and felt to utter the Word, uttering the internal Rhema by the Logos to become the external Son.

God's OWN Rhema-Logos spoke forth Himself as flesh. His OWN Self as flesh. Not AS a separate "person". Not THROUGH a separate "person". His OWN Self, that ultimately become the person (prosopon) of Jesus Christ.

The Infinite Uncreated God as Spirit uttered Himself forth to become flesh. Nothing had ever been external to God before He spoke. His speaking begat that which was internal to become external. As He spoke, all creation came into existence as the realm in which He would visibly and tangibly reveal His invisible intangible Self to mankind who were made in His image and likeness.

Jesus is literally God embodied in flesh. Jesus is NOT another "person", but the person (prosopon) of God.

(More coming. Next post imminent.)
 
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ah pneuma: if they haven't walked with Jesus they will not understand anyways. but thank you for defining some of the words for me and how people like to uses these man made constructs. (hey just pray about it and truly believe and do what God ask of you)

Let me just say that the "GOD" who walked in the garden of Eden was the Son, for the Father can not be seen by human eyes. I think most appearances of God in the Bible refer to the manifestation of the Son or the Holy Spirit. I have not read of the "Father" appearing to anyone except in a cloud above Jesus saying "this is my Son"

I guess I better find out what "trintarians" say on the subject. hmm...

so the God Moses saw was that Christ in His Glory? Most of the time the clouds obsured the view and even Moses only saw God's back from a crevice.

still don't see how this is a salvation issue but if you guys want to talk about it. ok. I used to like to talk about flying unicorns and quantum mechanics too.

Question: why did Jesus have to be cruxified and return from the dead and go to heaven before He sent forth the Holy Spirit?

have you study how the Holy Spirit took hold of Saul and had him prophecy? or how it left Saul with David's annointing by Samuel and a troubling spirit took its place? i think that happens a lot with the corrupt ministers we see now in the world.
 
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The previous post covered John 8:42...

"...for I proceeded*forth (exerchomai G1831) and came (heko) from (ek) God (Theos); neither came (erchomai) I of myself, but he sent (apostellos) me."

John 15:26... "But when the Comforter is come (erchomai), whom I will send unto (pempo) you from (para) the Father (Pater), even the Spirit of truth, which proceedeth (ekporeuomai) from (para) the Father, he shall testify of me."

ekporeuoami (G1607), is a compound of ek (G1537) and poreuomai (G4198).

Ek means out from; spoken of objects which before were in another object but are now separated from it, either in respect to place, time, source, or origin. It reflects the primary, immediate source from which something proceeds out of.

Poreuomai (G4198) is from peira (G3984), with the idea of piercing; to pierce or run through, which comes from the base of peran (G4008).

The meaning of ekporeuomai is to be pierced through for separation and dispatch from its primary source and origin to another place and time.

Pempo (G3992), means sent on a temporary errand.

The Holy Spirit was pierced through for separation and dispatch from its primary eternal source and origin (the Father) to a temporal place and time.

In 2Thess. 2:8, we see Scripture refer to the "spirit of his mouth". Rev. 1:6, 2:12, and 2:16 refer to "the sharp two-edged sword out of his mouth", as does Rev. 19:15 and 19:21.

OT Messianic prophecy:
"Behold my servant, whom I uphold; my elect, in whom my soul delighteth: I have put my spirit upon him; he shall bring forth judgement to the Gentiles." -Isaiah 42:1

OT prophecy reiterated:
"Behold my servant, whom I have chosen; my beloved, in whom my soul is well pleased: I will put my spirit upon him, and he shall show judgement to the Gentiles." -Matthew 12:18

Apostolic confirmation of prophecy fulfilled:
"For he received from God the Father honor and glory, when there came such a voice to him from the excellent glory, This is my beloved Son, in whom I am well pleased." -2Peter 1:17

God's Soul is well pleased with the Son.
The Father is well pleased with the Son.

"God is a Spirit..." -John 4:24

"For in him dwelleth all the fullness of the Godhead bodily." -Colossians 2:9

"Who being the brightness of his glory, and the express*image of his person (hupostasis)..." - Hebrews 1:3

"...in the person (prosopon) of Christ;" - 2Corinthians 2:10


The Holy Spirit is God's Spirit.
The Father is God's Soul.
The Son (Word) is God's Body (embodiment).
God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity.
Man is spirit-soul-body of one person.

While incarnate, the Word (Logos) spoke the logos out of His mouth.

"For the word of God is quick, and powerful, and sharper than any two-edged sword, piercing even to the dividing*asunder of soul and spirit, and of joints and marrow, and is a discerner of the thoughts and intents of the heart." -Hebrews 4:12

The Word is the only thing that can pierce (dukneomai) to the dividing*asunder (merisomos) of God's Soul-Spirit, Joints-Marrow.
The word is the only thing that can pierce (dukneomai) to the dividing*asunder (merismos) of man's soul-spirit, joints-marrow.

In Acts 2:3, when the Holy Spirit is given at Pentecost... "And there appeared (optanomai NOT blepo) unto them cloven (diamerizo G1266) tongues of fire,...".

Cloven is diamerizo. It comes from the same root (merizo) as divide*asunder (merismos) in Hebrews 4:12, and also is rendered gifts in Hebrews 2:4. Dia denotes separation; merizo is to divide. It means separate into parts or divide up. In the passive participle, menaing divided flames distributed out to each person from one common source. Merismos is largely the same, meaning to partition for separation and distribution.

God's OWN utterance of His OWN substance of His OWN Self as the Logos divides*asunder His OWN Spirit from His OWN Soul to distribute it individually from the eternal into the temporal to accomplish our internal redemption from sin. Our spirit-soul is also divided*asunder to received the indwelling of God's OWN Spirit.

God is NOT three "persons". God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity. He embodied His OWN Spirit and Soul in flesh so that we might see and know Him.

(More to come.)
 
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wow, gonna have to dig out the Greek and Hebrew Bible from the attic.
 
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wow, gonna have to dig out the Greek and Hebrew Bible from the attic.
Okay. The depth of the truth is endless, but quite easy to summarize.

God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity (Pneuma-Psuche-Soma of Heis Theotes).
The Fullness of that Divinity is the Person of Jesus Christ.

Person is prosopon (G4383), and is most often rendered face or presence. In general, it is that part of anything which is turned or presented to the eye of another. It is face, outward appearance, person, personal appearance, presence; in the presence of or in the sight of. Literally, the personal presence of one in sight of another.

Jesus is the personal outward appearance and presence of God Himself in the sight of mankind. The invisible, intangible eternal uncreated God embodied Himself to be visible and tangible within His temporal creation. Jesus is God's personal presence face-to-face with mankind. His Word spoke His eternal substance into creation within flesh.
 
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Just as I thought.

Sorry Pneuma, I can not agree with you.

Jesus said to the father give me the glory I had with you before time began. If he and the father are one person. Then he did not have glory with the father, He was the father.

Second, Jesus claimed the father promised him the elect. Again, If they are the same person. Then the father could not make any promises to Jesus as a separate deity, But he would have made a promise to himself. which makes absolutely no sense.

However, You showed what you believe (which is what I thought you believed you just confirmed my suspicions) So it is obvious we will not agree, Thus no use going on..



 
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Just as I thought.

Sorry Pneuma, I can not agree with you.

Jesus said to the father give me the glory I had with you before time began. If he and the father are one person. Then he did not have glory with the father, He was the father.

Second, Jesus claimed the father promised him the elect. Again, If they are the same person. Then the father could not make any promises to Jesus as a separate deity, But he would have made a promise to himself. which makes absolutely no sense.

However, You showed what you believe (which is what I thought you believed you just confirmed my suspicions) So it is obvious we will not agree, Thus no use going on..

Agreement is irrelevant. Exegete scripture. Trinitarians always declare concepts and opinions and can't back it up with scripture.

Show God as three "persons" from scripture. Exegete ekporeuomai and prosopon and merismos and diamerizo, etc. Tell us HOW a Holy Spirit "person" proceedeth from the Father. Tell us HOW the Word was spoken as another "person".

Trinitarians always duck and cover when it comes to scripture and specific exegesis beyond concept of opinion based on indoctrination. Step up and validate Trinity from scripture.

Trinitarians hide behind orthodox dogma. I've never had ONE step up and toe the line from scripture.

My opinion and belief doesn't matter. Your opinion and belief doesn't matter. Scripture matters. Counterpoint my exegesis with your own.

I presented the Word. I'll let the Word speak. Why can't you do that? Why can't Trinitarians use 1.7 millennia of dogma and earnestly contend for their faith from scripture? Because... it's unbiblical.

I'll continue to exegete the Word and show what fullness (pleroma) of the Godhead (Theotes) REALLY means.

All Trinitarians talk it up big, then run and hide when it comes time for the real exegesis of the Word.

The Word proceeded*forth before He came. The Word was eternally pre-existent; just not as a separate person. Show from scripture that He was. Specifically show "person".

Trinity is inference and error. If it's true, show it. Correct my exegesis. Show the Rhema-Logos in Trinity.

(And this is NOT adversarial. I'm just weary of unsupported default tradition and doctrine of men; followed by a cowardly sneak-out when opinion has to be supported scripturally.)
 
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How do the scriptures (word of God) fit in? Where do they come from, and are they part of the Rhema-Logos?
 
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As background, I was raised as a Trinitarian by loving godly parents and went on to get a Trinitarian college education and then into Trinitarian Pastoral ministry. I believed Trinity, taught Trinity, and declared anything non-Trinity as anathema just like the majority of Trinitarians do. Then I heard the basics of the true Gospel of Jesus Christ and received salvation and was scripturally baptized.

After being grounded in the truth of the Word, I've spent the intervening 13 years in deep prayer and study of the Word while fasting many months at a time. My one prevailing prayer has been for the spirit of wisdom and revelation in the knowledge of him (Ephesians 1:17). I've exhaustively studied Church history, and have read every Ante-Nicene writing extant. I've researched the lives and beliefs of every early church father and every permutation of Christian doctrine, as well as the philosophical and gnostic beliefs of all the influential men of renown.

I say all this simply as an introduction and an overview of the means of my leading of the Spirit. This is not eisegesis of my own view or a personal opinion; it is a thorough and prayerful long-term exegesis that I have very nearly given my physical life for in fasting nigh unto death. That process may or may not mean anything to readers, but I want to clarify that this isn't just some academic intellectual opinion from my own mind.

I affirm the following:
There is One Deity.
The Father is Deity.
The Holy Spirit is Deity.
The Word (Son) is Deity.
These Three are One Deity.
The Father is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Holy Spirit is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Word is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Father is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Holy Spirit is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Son is Uncreated and the Only Begotten.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit nor the Son (Word).
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son (Word).
The Word (Son) is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son proceeded forth and came from God, Sent by the Father.
The Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father, Sent by the Father and the Son.
(The Holy Spirit proceedeth NOT from both the Father and Son, though Sent by Both.)
Jesus is the Son of God and is Fully Divine, Begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the son of man and is fully human with a rational soul, born of the Virgin by the Holy Spirit.
The Virgin Birth of Jesus was a Supernatural Procreative Act of God, not a Creative Act.
God hath made Jesus both Lord and Christ. He is the Lord Jesus Christ.

I'm not any forumulation of Trinitarian, Binitarian, Unitarian, Arian, Sabellian, Tritheist, or Ditheist. I'm not Gnostic, JW, SDA, LDS, or any World Religion of any kind. If I had to describe the truth in theoligcal terms, I'd refer to it as Merismos Monotheism. It is the pure understanding of God as One Divinity, untainted by the doctrines and traditions of men.

There are many understandings involved in knowing the whole truth:
The Rhema-Logos Word
The rhema-logos word
The Constitution of God
The Constitution of Man
The Creation of Adam
The Creation of Eve
The Life in the Blood
The Inward Progression of Sin
The Outward Progression of Sanctification
The Composition of the Tabernacle
The Composition of the Temple
The Temple Not Made with Hands
The Propagation of Human Souls-Spirits
The Virgin Birth
The Transcendence of Jesus
The Transcendence of Man
Uncreated Life vs. Created Life
The Earnest of Our Inheritance
The Redemption of the Purchased Possession
In My Father's House Are Many Mansions
...ad infinitum...

I'll begin with the basics and build a framework for understanding the truth. There is substantial exegesis of Scripture beyond what I initially present, but I'm trying to keep it scaled down for simplicity and general understanding.

"In the beginning was the Logos, and the Logos was with God, and the Logos was God. The same was in the beginning with God. All things were made by him; and without him was not anything made that was made. ...And the Logos was made flesh, and dwelt among us, (and we beheld his glory, the glory as of the only begotten of the Father,) full of grace and truth." -John 1:1-3,14

Logos and Rhema are inseparable, though distinct. They both comprise the spoken word, but are two parts of that spoken word. There can be no Logos without Rhema.

Rhema is the substance content that is the subject matter that is thought and spoken about. Logos is the reason, wisdom, and intelligent thought and expression of that subject matter. Rhema is the Divine Content of the Divine Expression; Logos is the Divine Expression of the Divine Content. Both the Rhema and Logos precede the utterance. To be spoken, the Rhema-Logos is borne forth from the internal depths of one's essence, containing the very substance of that essence in the external speaking forth from the internal. It is borne by the breath (pneuma: spirit).

Rhema-Logos is the total substance of the complete essence of God's Self, externalized from silence to expression by the breath of His Spirit. The internal Word became the external Son, eternally pre-existent to proceed*forth and come from God.

Logos is the intelligent thought and speaking forth of all that is contained in its counterpart, Rhema. Logos is the rational reason, wisdom, intelligence, and thought of God spoken forth in the word or discourse of His plan and arrangement to reveal Himself in and to His creation. It is his thorough contemplation of pondering, knowing, and expressing outwardly and externally from Himself. It is the Divine Expression.

That which is being reasoned, contemplated, pondered, and thought to be outwardly expressed is the Rhema. Rhema is the substance content of Himself... God OWN Self. Everything that God IS is within the Rhema portion of the spoken word. It is the subject matter of Divine Content. The Logos reasons and thinks to speak forth the entire substance of content that is God's OWN Self.

The Rhema-Logos precedes the act of the utterance. God silently planned and arranged within Himself everything that He was afterwards about to utter through His Word; while He was thus planning and arranging with His own wisdom and reason, He was actually causing the very substance of His own essence to become Word, borne forth by His breath after it was initiated by His will (thelema).

He thought and willed to speak forth the entirety of Hismelf upon His breath, which was the Word. His mind and will and emotion thought and chose and felt to utter the Word, uttering the internal Rhema by the Logos to become the external Son.

God's OWN Rhema-Logos spoke forth Himself as flesh. His OWN Self as flesh. Not AS a separate "person". Not THROUGH a separate "person". His OWN Self, that ultimately become the person (prosopon) of Jesus Christ.

The Infinite Uncreated God as Spirit uttered Himself forth to become flesh. Nothing had ever been external to God before He spoke. His speaking begat that which was internal to become external. As He spoke, all creation came into existence as the realm in which He would visibly and tangibly reveal His invisible intangible Self to mankind who were made in His image and likeness.

Jesus is literally God embodied in flesh. Jesus is NOT another "person", but the person (prosopon) of God.

(More coming. Next post imminent.)
Thanks... for the definition Pneuma -
 
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How do the scriptures (word of God) fit in? Where do they come from, and are they part of the Rhema-Logos?
Scripture is graphe (G1124), to write, or grapho (G1125), to engrave, write, carve. Letter is gramma (G1121), to write, a letter of the alphabet.

Romans 2:29, "...in the spirit, and not in the letter (gramma)..."

Romans 7:6, "...that we should serve in newness of spirit, and not in the oldness of the letter (gramma)."

2Cor. 3:6, "...not of the letter (gramma), but of the spirit; for the letter (gramma) killeth, but the spirit giveth life."

2Tim. 3:16, "All Scripture (graphe) is given*by*inspiration (theopneustos G2314)*of*God,..."

Theopneustos is from Theos (God) and pneo (to breath or blow). The formation can be traced to empneo and pneuma. The antonym for empneo is ekneo, which means expire or give up the spirit.

Though inspired and breathed by God, the Scripture itself did not proceed from God in the same manner. It was mediate, not immediate. Ir is the written record OF the logos. Logo is from lego (G3004), to speak.

Logos can be thought without speaking, but is spoken not written. Same for rhema, and they are both used throught scripture. The written words and letters are not the logos.
 
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forget the person.....Trinity is the unity of the Father, Son and HS
 
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ah man everything i typed got deleted. oh well.

1 John 5:6-8 (New King James Version)

The Certainty of God’s Witness
6 This is He who came by water and blood—Jesus Christ; not only by water, but by water and blood. And it is the Spirit who bears witness, because the Spirit is truth. 7 For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one. 8 And there are three that bear witness on earth:[a] the Spirit, the water, and the blood; and these three agree as one.


OK PPS In Heaven they are one, on Earth they agree as one which means to most people on Earth they will appear to be separate. Most of the Bible speaks only of Earthly things. Jesus told us this. therefore most people will take a long and hard time to understand anything else in terms of things not SEEN with fleshy eyes but only through the eyes of the SPIRIT.

now think of this story from the Bible and perhaps you will better understand why people have such a hard time hearing what you have to say (hint: they haven't been given the eyes to see the spiritual world)

First does God every make a mistake?

A Blind Man Healed at Bethsaida

22 Then He came to Bethsaida; and they brought a blind man to Him, and begged Him to touch him. 23 So He took the blind man by the hand and led him out of the town. And when He had spit on his eyes and put His hands on him, He asked him if he saw anything.
24 And he looked up and said, “I see men like trees, walking.”
25 Then He put His hands on his eyes again and made him look up. And he was restored and saw everyone clearly. 26 Then He sent him away to his house, saying, “Neither go into the town, nor tell anyone in the town.”[c


then why did the man first see "men like trees walking"?

because he was first gifted with SPIRITUAL EYES to see the world as GOD sees it.

here is another scripture most overlook for lack of understanding and denial of spiritual gift of God (discernment of spirits, prophecy, etc)

1 Samuel 9:2
And he had a choice and handsome son whose name was Saul. There was not a more handsome person than he among the children of Israel. From his shoulders upward he was taller than any of the people
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so how can you be taller from the shoulders upwards? if you saw with the eyes of prophet you would understand. the more the person strives to reach God the taller they appear through the eyes of the Spirit.

but hey who listens to me?

i'm just a kid. lol most people tell me "i've been studying the bible longer then you have been alive" lol

perhaps but I've been breathing the words of the Bible that have been echoing in my mind and heart and soul for as long as I've been alive. I have been dreaming of spirits and demonic attacks of loved ones. I have been guided and protected by angels and the Holy Spirit for as along as I can recall. I've be reprimanded and cleansed and scoured and still learning day and night. read every version of the Bible placed in my possession and gathers and spoken to countless people and spirits about God. so now i'm learning how to reach out and snatch souls from their tormentors, how to teach them that God truly loves them and they are given the power to beat those giants and laughing waves.

YouTube - Casting Crowns - If We Are The Body
 
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forget the person.....Trinity is the unity of the Father, Son and HS
I DID forget the persons. I presented the truth.

Your half-sentence is insufficient and violates your own doctrine.

God is Spirit-Soul-Body of One Divinity. Of course they're in unity. They're not "persons".

Do you have a bible?
 
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crazy4God and loloy what does it matter if you think God is "three persons" or "One"? does it make Jesus sacrifice less? i'm going to read the other debate and pray about it all personally.

PPS and EG how would this effect doctrine and what is being taught in the churches? PPS it sounds like you think Trinitarian holds sway at the moment, if your words were accepted how would that change the dialog in the churches? how would this help the Kingdom of God on Earth?
 
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I affirm the following:
There is One Deity.
The Father is Deity.
The Holy Spirit is Deity.
The Word (Son) is Deity.
These Three are One Deity.
The Father is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Holy Spirit is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Word is Eternally Pre-Existent.
The Father is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Holy Spirit is Uncreated and Unbegotten.
The Son is Uncreated and the Only Begotten.
The Father is not the Holy Spirit nor the Son (Word).
The Holy Spirit is not the Father nor the Son (Word).
The Word (Son) is not the Father nor the Holy Spirit.
The Son proceeded forth and came from God, Sent by the Father.
The Holy Spirit proceedeth from the Father, Sent by the Father and the Son.
(The Holy Spirit proceedeth NOT from both the Father and Son, though Sent by Both.)
Jesus is the Son of God and is Fully Divine, Begotten of the Father by the Holy Spirit.
Jesus is the son of man and is fully human with a rational soul, born of the Virgin by the Holy Spirit.
The Virgin Birth of Jesus was a Supernatural Procreative Act of God, not a Creative Act.
God hath made Jesus both Lord and Christ. He is the Lord Jesus Christ.
Your presenting three person's here - :D