Within the veil Part 5

[VW]

In the beginning of our salvation, the beginning of grace from God, He came and witnessed to us by His Holy Spirit that Jesus is raised from the dead. He then gave us this witness to live in our hearts, this very same Holy Spirit. And according to scripture this anointing teaches us to live in Jesus. But what does that mean? How does one live in Jesus? And if one does live in Jesus, what is the result?

Jesus is the Christ, the mediator between God and man. He is the bridge, the only High Priest, the door, the Way and the Truth and the Life. No one comes to God by by Jesus Christ. But why would one want to come to God? God drew near to the children of Israel, and they backed away from Him, and hardened their hearts. God was too awesome, to terrifying, to majestic, to holy. He frightened them to death. They said that they did not want God to talk to them, or else they would die. Many christians today feel exactly the same way about drawing near to God.

But this is why Jesus came, to bring us into reconciliation with God. One cannot be reconciled and remain aloof, apart, afraid and terrified and unwilling to draw near. If God desired this, He did not need to send Jesus, we were already there. We first have to decide that we want to draw near to Him. That there is a very real and necessary purpose in our drawing near. And we have to set our soul on the path of drawing near, no matter what happens to us. For it is in drawing near to God that we find our conformity to Jesus Christ, and we are then fulfilling His eternal purpose, and He becomes our assurance of salvation.;

Not everyone is ready to draw near. Not everyone is wanting to draw near. If you do, then it is solely because God has given you the desire. For it is true that our God is a consuming fire, and no one who is sane is wanting to draw near to Him. Not unless God has placed this deep and abiding desire in their hearts.

But why is this so terrifying? Simply because we will see ourselves in the full truth, in the light of God's holiness and purity and perfection. We will have to face those things in us which are not of God, which are not pleasing to Him. No one can know just how terrible this is until they actually experience His holiness within the veil.

Three times the Law was given.

Three times Jesus gave His new commandment.

Three times we are called into His presence, before the throne, at the feet of God.

More later,
In Christ,

 

[Lad]

when are we called three times into his presence and what do you believe is the significance of this??

what law was given three times??

and what new commandment??

and what on earth does 'within the veil mean?'

 

[VW]

when are we called three times into his presence and what do you believe is the significance of this??

what law was given three times??

and what new commandment??

and what on earth does 'within the veil mean?'

The Law, that came through Moses.

And the new commandment, "A new commandment I give to you, that you love one another, even as I have loved you, that you also love one another. By this all men will know that you are My disciples, if you have love for one another."

And within the veil means to come into the presence of the living God, in the spirit. It is coming to the light, because we love the light, to have our deeds exposed, that those which have been wrought in God might be manifested.

In Christ,

 

[zone]

when are we called three times into his presence and what do you believe is the significance of this??

what law was given three times??

and what new commandment??

and what on earth does 'within the veil mean?'

Mark 15
The Death of Jesus
33 And when the sixth hour had come, there was darkness over the whole land until the ninth hour.34 And at the ninth hour Jesus cried with a loud voice, “Eloi, Eloi, lema sabachthani?” which means, “My God, my God, why have you forsaken me?” 35 And some of the bystanders hearing it said, “Behold, he is calling Elijah.” 36 And someone ran and filled a sponge with sour wine, put it on a reed and gave it to him to drink, saying, “Wait, let us see whether Elijah will come to take him down.” 37 And Jesus uttered a loud cry and breathed his last. 38 And the curtain of the temple was torn in two, from top to bottom. 39 And when the centurion, who stood facing him, saw that in this way he breathed his last, he said, “Truly this man was the Son of God!”

40 There were also women looking on from a distance, among whom were Mary Magdalene, and Mary the mother of James the younger and of Joses, and Salome. 41 When he was in Galilee, they followed him and ministered to him, and there were also many other women who came up with him to Jerusalem.

Matthew 27:51
At that moment the curtain of the temple was torn in two from top to bottom. The earth shook and the rocks split.

Luke 23:45
for the sun stopped shining. And the curtain of the temple was torn in two.


what you see is that the Prophet VW is teaching an earthly Holy Place...one that is long gone.


Hebrews 9
The Earthly Holy Place
1Now even the first covenant had regulations for worship and an earthly place of holiness. 2For a tenta was prepared, the first section, in which were the lampstand and the table and the bread of the Presence.b It is called the Holy Place. 3Behind the second curtain was a second sectionc called the Most Holy Place, 4having the golden altar of incense and the ark of the covenant covered on all sides with gold, in which was a golden urn holding the manna, and Aaron’s staff that budded, and the tablets of the covenant. 5Above it were the cherubim of glory overshadowing the mercy seat. Of these things we cannot now speak in detail.

6These preparations having thus been made, the priests go regularly into the first section, performing their ritual duties, 7but into the second only the high priest goes, and he but once a year, and not without taking blood, which he offers for himself and for the unintentional sins of the people. 8By this the Holy Spirit indicates that the way into the holy places is not yet opened as long as the first section is still standing 9(which is symbolic for the present age).d According to this arrangement, gifts and sacrifices are offered that cannot perfect the conscience of the worshiper, 10but deal only with food and drink and various washings, regulations for the body imposed until the time of reformation.

Redemption Through the Blood of Christ
11But when Christ appeared as a high priest of the good things that have come,e then through the greater and more perfect tent (not made with hands, that is, not of this creation) 12he entered once for all into the holy places, not by means of the blood of goats and calves but by means of his own blood, thus securing an eternal redemption. 13For if the blood of goats and bulls, and the sprinkling of defiled persons with the ashes of a heifer, sanctifyf for the purification of the flesh, 14how much more will the blood of Christ, who through the eternal Spirit offered himself without blemish to God, purify ourg conscience from dead works to serve the living God.

15Therefore he is the mediator of a new covenant, so that those who are called may receive the promised eternal inheritance, since a death has occurred that redeems them from the transgressions committed under the first covenant.h 16For where a will is involved, the death of the one who made it must be established. 17For a will takes effect only at death, since it is not in force as long as the one who made it is alive. 18Therefore not even the first covenant was inaugurated without blood. 19For when every commandment of the law had been declared by Moses to all the people, he took the blood of calves and goats, with water and scarlet wool and hyssop, and sprinkled both the book itself and all the people, 20saying, “This is the blood of the covenant that God commanded for you.” 21And in the same way he sprinkled with the blood both the tent and all the vessels used in worship. 22Indeed, under the law almost everything is purified with blood, and without the shedding of blood there is no forgiveness of sins.

23Thus it was necessary for the copies of the heavenly things to be purified with these rites, but the heavenly things themselves with better sacrifices than these. 24For Christ has entered, not into holy places made with hands, which are copies of the true things, but into heaven itself, now to appear in the presence of God on our behalf. 25Nor was it to offer himself repeatedly, as the high priest enters the holy places every year with blood not his own, 26for then he would have had to suffer repeatedly since the foundation of the world. But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself. 27And just as it is appointed for man to die once, and after that comes judgment, 28so Christ, having been offered once to bear the sins of many, will appear a second time, not to deal with sin but to save those who are eagerly waiting for him.

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Lad you have access to the Throne of Grace any time you need it.

there is no one between you and your Lord Jesus...no veil...nothing.

these modern apostles and prophets are simply trying to reinstitute an old priesthood with them interceding for the people.

reject it.

ps - But as it is, he has appeared once for all at the end of the ages to put away sin by the sacrifice of himself.

more evidence that Daniel 9 is fulfilled.

 

[AnandaHya]

when are we called three times into his presence and what do you believe is the significance of this??

what law was given three times??

and what new commandment??

and what on earth does 'within the veil mean?'

lol Lad. took the questions right out of my mouth

Nor sure what VW will do with the questions since he hardly ever really answer any of mine.

what VW believes is the

"new commandment" has been the same through out. there is two commandments Jesus gives and they sum up the moral laws given in the 10 commandments of Moses, but God talks about the Spirit of the law, while the Pharisees only wanted to obey the Letter of the law. I'll give you the scripture in a little bit.

the three times things, you find in wicca and witchcraft. you have the law of three, the threefold blessings, etc. it is considered a magical number. don't know why VW is fixated on it though.

"within the veil" is a mystical term for Christians magicians who like to call themselves prophets and teach others of occult practices like talking to familiar spirits that masarade as angels of Light and astroproject now termed as "walking in the spirit"

Matthew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mark 12:30-32
New King James Version (NKJV)
30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’[a] This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no other commandment greater than these.”
32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.

Exodus 20

The Ten Commandments

1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “ Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

if you notice the last 6 commandments are tangibles ways you can show your love to your neighbor as Christ loved us. He did not murder, commit adultery, steal, lie, covet and honored His mother and father.Jesus explains the Spirit of the commandments in the scripture verses found in Matthew 5....

anyway, lets continue I've always been a fan of fantasy novels......

 

[Lad]

ROFL @ fantasy novels, thanks Ananda.

Zone, yeah i thought he couldnt possibly be referring to the veil mentioned in the bible because as you have said it was TORN by Yehoveh Himself. I thought it mustve been a little allegory or something he came up with but his answer confused me even more, so i just gave up lol

 

[VW]

lol Lad. took the questions right out of my mouth

Nor sure what VW will do with the questions since he hardly ever really answer any of mine.

what VW believes is the

"new commandment" has been the same through out. there is two commandments Jesus gives and they sum up the moral laws given in the 10 commandments of Moses, but God talks about the Spirit of the law, while the Pharisees only wanted to obey the Letter of the law. I'll give you the scripture in a little bit.

the three times things, you find in wicca and witchcraft. you have the law of three, the threefold blessings, etc. it is considered a magical number. don't know why VW is fixated on it though.

"within the veil" is a mystical term for Christians magicians who like to call themselves prophets and teach others of occult practices like talking to familiar spirits that masarade as angels of Light and astroproject now termed as "walking in the spirit"

Matthew 5:19
Whoever therefore breaks one of the least of these commandments, and teaches men so, shall be called least in the kingdom of heaven; but whoever does and teaches them, he shall be called great in the kingdom of heaven.

Mark 12:30-32
New King James Version (NKJV)
30 And you shall love the LORD your God with all your heart, with all your soul, with all your mind, and with all your strength.’[a] This is the first commandment. 31 And the second, like it, is this: ‘You shall love your neighbor as yourself.’[c] There is no other commandment greater than these.”
32 So the scribe said to Him, “Well said, Teacher. You have spoken the truth, for there is one God, and there is no other but He.

Exodus 20

The Ten Commandments

1 And God spoke all these words, saying:
2 “I am the LORD your God, who brought you out of the land of Egypt, out of the house of bondage.
3 “You shall have no other gods before Me.
4 “You shall not make for yourself a carved image—any likeness of anything that is in heaven above, or that is in the earth beneath, or that is in the water under the earth; 5 you shall not bow down to them nor serve them. For I, the LORD your God, am a jealous God, visiting the iniquity of the fathers upon the children to the third and fourth generations of those who hate Me, 6 but showing mercy to thousands, to those who love Me and keep My commandments.
7 “You shall not take the name of the LORD your God in vain, for the LORD will not hold him guiltless who takes His name in vain.
8 “ Remember the Sabbath day, to keep it holy. 9 Six days you shall labor and do all your work, 10 but the seventh day is the Sabbath of the LORD your God. In it you shall do no work: you, nor your son, nor your daughter, nor your male servant, nor your female servant, nor your cattle, nor your stranger who is within your gates. 11 For in six days the LORD made the heavens and the earth, the sea, and all that is in them, and rested the seventh day. Therefore the LORD blessed the Sabbath day and hallowed it.
12 “ Honor your father and your mother, that your days may be long upon the land which the LORD your God is giving you.
13 “You shall not murder.
14 “You shall not commit adultery.
15 “You shall not steal.
16 “You shall not bear false witness against your neighbor.
17 “You shall not covet your neighbor’s house; you shall not covet your neighbor’s wife, nor his male servant, nor his female servant, nor his ox, nor his donkey, nor anything that is your neighbor’s.”

if you notice the last 6 commandments are tangibles ways you can show your love to your neighbor as Christ loved us. He did not murder, commit adultery, steal, lie, covet and honored His mother and father.Jesus explains the Spirit of the commandments in the scripture verses found in Matthew 5....

anyway, lets continue I've always been a fan of fantasy novels......

You don't know what I believe. It is not nice to put words into another's mouth.

I don't believe in the Law at all. I believe that the "New commandment" from Jesus replaces the Law, being a much more comprehensive commandment.

 

[Lad]

REPLACES?? :O :O :O

Ok now i KNOW you arent speaking truth, Yeshua Himself said He didnt come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, and if you look at the greek of the word fulfill there, it doesnt mean replace, and it doesnt mean get rid of the old and bringing in the new, it means to fill full. In other words its as though the law only provided a half full glass of water because in the law people could not find salvation from sins they committed on purpose and they couldnt be saved without faith, but when Yeshua came He perfected the law and filled up that cup so that its true spiritual intentions were made known.

Yeshua did NOT replace the law. He filled it full and made it complete.

 

[VW]

REPLACES?? :O :O :O

Ok now i KNOW you arent speaking truth, Yeshua Himself said He didnt come to abolish the law but to fulfill it, and if you look at the greek of the word fulfill there, it doesnt mean replace, and it doesnt mean get rid of the old and bringing in the new, it means to fill full. In other words its as though the law only provided a half full glass of water because in the law people could not find salvation from sins they committed on purpose and they couldnt be saved without faith, but when Yeshua came He perfected the law and filled up that cup so that its true spiritual intentions were made known.

Yeshua did NOT replace the law. He filled it full and made it complete.

He set it aside, what does that mean? And why would He set it aside? Because, according to scripture, it made nothing perfect. In fact there is the bringing in of a better hope through which we draw near to God. We should realize that the veil is part of the Law. When Jesus died, the veil was torn. The Law prevented anyone from entering into His presence, except for the high priest, once a year, and not without the shedding of blood. But now, since Jesus has fulfilled and set aside the requirements of the Law, and on the basis of His eternal life He is now our High Priest, we have our access to the Father through Him, apart from the Law.

You do believe this, right?

 

[Lad]

He didnt set it aside. Yeshua completed, by making perfect, the laws requirements for ultimate sacrifice.

 

[VW]

He didnt set it aside. Yeshua completed, by making perfect, the laws requirements for ultimate sacrifice.

I quoted you scripture, which says that He set it aside. Well, not quoted, but refered to.

But if you must believe this way, then I will say no more about it to you. I do not want to ever make one doubt in their convictions.

If I have disturbed you, I am sorry,
in Christ and in His love,
vic

 

[Lad]

Where is the verse that says He set it aside?

 

[AnandaHya]

You don't know what I believe. It is not nice to put words into another's mouth.

I don't believe in the Law at all. I believe that the "New commandment" from Jesus replaces the Law, being a much more comprehensive commandment.

you must have misunderstood my words. I was saying that I didn't agree with your beliefs about the "new commandment" and giving my understanding of it. I wasn't really talking to you since when I wrote it you said you were ignoring me. but if you like I will be courteous and include you again in my comments and address you and not just your words.

how do you explain these verses? has Heaven or Earth passed away?

Matthew 5:18
For assuredly, I say to you, till heaven and earth pass away, one jot or one tittle will by no means pass from the law till all is fulfilled.

there are others but if you could explain your understanding on that verse it might help us understand what God has revealed to you concerning His holy words.

 

[AnandaHya]

I quoted you scripture, which says that He set it aside. Well, not quoted, but refered to.

But if you must believe this way, then I will say no more about it to you. I do not want to ever make one doubt in their convictions.

If I have disturbed you, I am sorry,
in Christ and in His love,
vic

would you say the same thing to a hindu or muslim or someone who is convinced they can worship idols and still be Christian? because I have meet such individuals.....you're right I have no clue what you believe.

but here are some of the verses being referred to. if anyone wants they can go and read the whole chapter in context....

Galatians 3:19
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

 

[VW]

would you say the same thing to a hindu or muslim or someone who is convinced they can worship idols and still be Christian? because I have meet such individuals.....you're right I have no clue what you believe.

but here are some of the verses being referred to. if anyone wants they can go and read the whole chapter in context....

Galatians 3:19
What purpose then does the law serve? It was added because of transgressions, till the Seed should come to whom the promise was made; and it was appointed through angels by the hand of a mediator.

You quoted that verse out of context.

As to what answer I might make to a Muslim or some other person who does not know God? Jesus is alive, He is not in the grave. He is the only One who has raised from the dead to eternal life. Believe Him.

 

[VW]

And again, you posts about me, and not about the teaching. Why?

 

[AnandaHya]

You quoted that verse out of context.
.

I made the statement, if they want it in context to go read the chapter. i was just giving the verse as a reference for the above conversation not as anything connected to my own comment.

 

[AnandaHya]

And again, you posts about me, and not about the teaching. Why?

it has nothing to do with you, but a leading question to have the conversation be about JESUS and giving TESTIMONY OF JESUS to people who don't believe.

why do you make it about you?

you know what I'm just going to leave you to whatever. you obviously think anything I say is about you and not about Jesus so forget it. I wash my hands of it all. have fun dwelling in self pity and feelings of being persecuted.

 

[VW]

I made the statement, if they want it in context to go read the chapter. i was just giving the verse as a reference for the above conversation not as anything connected to my own comment.

Well, they really should. Actually, one should read the entire letter to get the context.

 

[VW]

it has nothing to do with you, but a leading question to have the conversation be about JESUS and giving TESTIMONY OF JESUS to people who don't believe.

why do you make it about you?

you know what I'm just going to leave you to whatever. you obviously think anything I say is about you and not about Jesus so forget it. I wash my hands of it all. have fun dwelling in self pity and feelings of being persecuted.

Tell me, where have you discussed the teaching I am offering here?

Self pity? Huh?

Yeah, I think that you should leave me alone. I offend your sense of right and wrong.
You said that you are praying about me, but I wonder, does this mean that you are asking God to reveal to you whether I am false or not? Does this mean that if He tells you that I am true that you will believe what I say?

Wow! Does the Holy Spirit really speak to us?

You bet!