Jezebel...It's a spirit...just not what people think.

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Revelation 2:20-23 - "Notwithstanding I have a few things against you, because you suffer that woman Jezebel, which calls herself a prophetess,(but she isnt, she's false) to teach and to seduce my servants to commit fornication(mix with the world), and to eat things sacrificed to idols. And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not. Behold, I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation, except they repent of their deeds. "
　
Jezebel = False Prophet
　
Revelation 13:11-17 - "And I beheld another beast coming up out of the earth; and he(IT) had two horns like a lamb(looked like Jesus outwardly), and he(IT) spoke as a dragon(spoke lies, like the father of lies). And he(IT) excercises all the power of the first beast before him(IT), and causes the earth and them which dwell therein to worship the first beast, whose deadly wound was healed. And he does great wonders, so that he makes fire come down from heaven on the earth in the sight of men, And deceives(lies to) them(deceives them, means it isnt FORCED they accept it gleefully) that dwell on the earth by the means of those miracles which he had power to do in the sight of the beast; saying to them that dwell on the earth, that they should make an image to the beast, which had the wound by a sword, and did live. And he had power to give life to the image of the beast, that the image of the beast should both speak, and cause that as many as would not worship the image of the beast should be killed. And he causes(The word here truly means Provides) all, both small and great, rich and poor, free and bond, to receive a mark in their right hand(Works of there hands/ Rev 9:20), or in their foreheads: And that no man might buy or sell(merchants of the earth/Rev 18:3), save he that had the mark, or the name of the beast, or the number of his name.
　
Beast out of the Earth = Fasle Prophet
　
Revelation 17:1-6 - "I will show to you the judgment of the great whore that sits on many waters: With whom the kings of the earth have committed fornication, and the (all) inhabitants of the earth have been made drunk with the wine(fasle gospel) of her fornication(Adultery with the world system, or BEAST).So he carried me away in the spirit into the wilderness: and I saw a woman sit on a scarlet colored beast, full of names of blasphemy, having seven heads and ten horns. And the woman was arrayed in purple and scarlet color, and decked with gold and precious stones and pearls, having a golden cup in her hand full of abominations and filthiness of her fornication: And on her forehead was a name written, MYSTERY, BABYLON THE GREAT, THE MOTHER OF HARLOTS AND ABOMINATIONS OF THE EARTH. And I saw the woman drunken with the blood of the saints, and with the blood of the martyrs of Jesus: and when I saw her, I wondered with great admiration. "

Whore of Babylon = False Church(not the bride who is chaste and waiting for JESUS, but the whore who fornicates with the merchants of the world)

Fasle Church, looks like Jesus, speaks lies. = Whore of Babylon/False Prophet/Jezebel

So this FALSE Church, that looks like Jesus outwardly, but its fruit(words of the mouth, desires of the HEART) is to fornicate with the WORLD. What does that sound like?

1 John 2:15-22
Love not the world(Love Jesus Only), neither the things that are in the world(lust of the flesh, lust of the Eyes, pride of Life). If any man love the world(fornicates), the love of the Father(Jesus/HolySpirit/Seal of God) is not in him. For all that is in the world, the lust of the flesh, and the lust of the eyes, and the pride of life(Mark of the Beast, works of the hands, thoughts of the evil heart, a Heart that is of satan), is not of the Father, but is of the world. And the world passes away, and the lust thereof: but he that does the will of God(Love God, love Others, Like JESUS, be Holy, be seperate, Be led by THE SPIRIT, not the flesh) stays for ever. Little children, it is the last time: and as you have heard that antichrist(Repelacement messaiah, instead of Messiah) shall come, even now are there many antichrists; whereby we know that it is the last time. They went out from us(looked like Jesus), but they were not of us(Spoke lies, like the dragon/satan the father of lies); for if they had been of us, they would no doubt have continued with us(kept the same doctrine): but they went out, that they might be made manifest that they were not all of us. But you have an unction(annointing of the Holy Spirit) from the Holy One, and you know all things. I have not written to you because you know not the truth, but because you know it, and that no lie is of the truth. Who is a liar but he that denies that Jesus is the Christ? He is antichrist, that denies the Father and the Son. "


Spirit of Anti Christ = False Church = Whore of Babylon = False Prophet = Jezebel


Lastly, Look again to What the LORD, or should i say WHOM the LORD says will be in tribulation, or who will will suffer the WRATH of God.

"I will cast her into a bed, and them that commit adultery with her into great tribulation," HER(false Church) and the ones she fornicated with(World) So that is EVERYONE who is not of the body of CHRIST JESUS. Everyone who does not love like Jesus loves. Every one who DOES NOT love TRUTH. False Church, and the World system. Will experience the Wrath of GOD.

BUT

Revelation 3:10
"Because thou didst keep the word of my patience(endure to the end), I also will keep thee from the hour of trial(great tribulation), that hour which is to come upon the whole world, to try them that dwell upon the earth."


So Jezebel is the "Church" who fornicates with the WORLD. They are NOT pure, virginal, A Chaste Bride.(2 Hosea 2:19, Corinthians 11:2, Ephesians 5:26-27) They are Luke warm, they allow mixing(something God ALWAYS warned Israel About) They are the SPIRIT of Antichrist, a FORM of Godliness. FALSE Prophet.

Now im not saying i have this all perfectly situated, Im sure there are others who may be able to add to this, shed some light on this. Seek JESUS with ALL of your heart. and COME OUT of babylon, and the WORLD. Flee Egypt, Flee Sodom, Flee Babylon, and BE seperate. Touch no unclean thing and HE will accept you(2 Corinthians 6:17). Deny Self, Obey JESUS, build your house on the ROCK and you will be kept from the hour of Trial. GO To JESUS with all, and HE wil remove the scales from your eyes. Seek Him, and HIM alone, with a humble adn yearnign heart, and HE will guide you int oall truth, and KEEP you in the ARK. Get in the ARK while there is time. Stop your life. and Seek HIS life, allow JESUS to be your life(Colossians 3:4) And STOP fornicating with the WORLD. Be seperate, unto the LORD, and you will be spared. May Jesus bless you.
 
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The sharp rebuke about the teaching of Balaam shows the danger of compromise with the pagans. Jezebel also counseled such compromise. The churches who found it convenient to keep pagan practices and thus keep their wealth and avoid persecution in the process are sternly rebuked by our Lord. Those churches learned what many today know so well – the more you blur the line between the pagan culture and the church, the more people you attract to your church. The world will never reject or persecute a version of “Christianity” that reflects its own wants, needs and values. A non-confrontive “gospel” is a popular gospel. The world will reward what it favors and persecute what it hates.
 
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Jesus goes on to rebuke the church of Thyatira for tolerating a false prophetess: “But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray, so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols” (Revelation 2:20). These sinful acts were likely linked to the pagan feasts of the trade guilds. In 1Corinthians Paul allows eating meats offered to idols if the meat were merely bought in the marketplace (1Corinthians 10:25). In a city like Thyatira, any meat found in a marketplace would likely have been offered to idols. However, Paul forbids eating such meat in connection with the idol worship itself: “But if anyone should say to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake” (1Corinthians 10:28). Also, since the eating of the meat is coupled with immorality, the evidence points to participation in the pagan feasts.

The problem was that several lusts were being satisfied with prophetic endorsement: the lust for money and prestige and the lust for immorality. Ladd writes, “The reason why the problem assumed such acute form in Thyatira was that membership in the trade guilds involved participation in pagan meals and often led to immorality.”18 In the gospels, Jesus required people to lay aside everything for His sake, to take up their cross and follow Him. The church in Thyatira gave no heed to that part of Jesus’ message. They enjoyed their relationship with the world too much.

Jezebel who encouraged these sins is likely a real person in Thyatira who is called Jezebel because of her spiritual relationship to the Jezebel of the Old Testament. The Old Testament Jezebel attempted to integrate Baal worship into the practices of Israel. She hated the prophets who pointed out her sin and killed as many of them as she could, though God spared Elijah from her.

Another aspect of the problem in Thyatira is revealed in this verse: “But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them— I place no other burden on you” (Revelation 2:24). Jezebel’s teaching is called, “the deep things of Satan.” It is not clear from the grammar whether this is irony (they claim to know deep things of God but these are actually from Satan, according to Ladd) or a literal claim (that they gain some benefit from knowing details of the Satanic system, according to Lenksi). In either case, there is a spiritual side to this immorality. They had a sensual spirituality that they actually thought made them superior.

Jesus addressed a remnant, “the rest” who have not known the supposed superior spirituality advocated by the prophetess. That He placed no other burden is possibly a reference to the determination of the Jerusalem council which forbade fornication and eating things strangled. The remnant was to not listen to Jezebel and refuse to participate in the pagan feasts or seek the secret, “deeper” spiritual knowledge that the others claimed. Thus their faith, love and service would be unsullied and praiseworthy.

The church is being flooded with jezebels, a reformation of gnostic/charismatic elites.
 
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The sharp rebuke about the teaching of Balaam shows the danger of compromise with the pagans. Jezebel also counseled such compromise. The churches who found it convenient to keep pagan practices and thus keep their wealth and avoid persecution in the process are sternly rebuked by our Lord. Those churches learned what many today know so well – the more you blur the line between the pagan culture and the church, the more people you attract to your church. The world will never reject or persecute a version of “Christianity” that reflects its own wants, needs and values. A non-confrontive “gospel” is a popular gospel. The world will reward what it favors and persecute what it hates.
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I was looking for the "like Button" ...and then i realised i wasnt on Facebook.


AMEN!

Funny enough, MOST of the Church(even the TRUE church) keep pagan practices, and mix with the world in there HEART.

The Story of The Virgins sheds some light on the situation. ALL TEN VIRGINS were alseep. (thats the true church and the false) But the TRUE church had the oil in thier lamps, but still they were SLEEPING. Who woke them? A cry of the messengers.

Matthew 25:1-13
"Then shall the kingdom of heaven be likened to ten virgins, which took their lamps, and went forth to meet the bridegroom. And five of them were wise, and five were foolish. They that were foolish took their lamps, and took no oil with them(beleived on Jesus, but did not obey, did not prepare, and stay ready. did not build on rock, did not have seal of God): But the wise took oil in their vessels with their lamps. While the bridegroom tarried, they all slumbered and slept(all, including the TRUE body, will at one point be inactive, and INSIDE Babylon, hence the call to come out). And at midnight there was a cry made, Behold, the bridegroom comes; go you out to meet him(at midnight we re gathered to him). Then all those virgins arose, and trimmed their lamps. And the foolish said to the wise, Give us of your oil; for our lamps are gone out. But the wise answered, saying, Not so; lest there be not enough for us and you: but go you rather to them that sell, and buy for yourselves. And while they went to buy(buying and selling?? maybe), the bridegroom came; and they that were ready went in with him to the marriage: and the door(to the ark/Jesus) was shut. Afterward came also the other virgins, saying, Lord, Lord, open to us. But he answered and said, Truly I say to you, I know you not.

Watch therefore, for you know neither the day nor the hour wherein the Son of man comes."
 
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Im only a man with tiny brained thoughts, but seems to me on a human level ....how bad it hurts to love someone who
has another love who they talk to and benefit from. Then I think of those in the church that get into the socalled spirituals
and are actually taping into the spiritual world and love it. Its intoxicating but it isnt from God.

And i wonder sometimes with God sized emotions what it feels like to Him.
 
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Abiding said:
Jesus goes on to rebuke the church of Thyatira for tolerating a false prophetess: “But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray, so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols” (Revelation 2:20). These sinful acts were likely linked to the pagan feasts of the trade guilds. In 1Corinthians Paul allows eating meats offered to idols if the meat were merely bought in the marketplace (1Corinthians 10:25). In a city like Thyatira, any meat found in a marketplace would likely have been offered to idols. However, Paul forbids eating such meat in connection with the idol worship itself: “But if anyone should say to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake” (1Corinthians 10:28). Also, since the eating of the meat is coupled with immorality, the evidence points to participation in the pagan feasts.

The problem was that several lusts were being satisfied with prophetic endorsement: the lust for money and prestige and the lust for immorality. Ladd writes, “The reason why the problem assumed such acute form in Thyatira was that membership in the trade guilds involved participation in pagan meals and often led to immorality.”18 In the gospels, Jesus required people to lay aside everything for His sake, to take up their cross and follow Him. The church in Thyatira gave no heed to that part of Jesus’ message. They enjoyed their relationship with the world too much.

Jezebel who encouraged these sins is likely a real person in Thyatira who is called Jezebel because of her spiritual relationship to the Jezebel of the Old Testament. The Old Testament Jezebel attempted to integrate Baal worship into the practices of Israel. She hated the prophets who pointed out her sin and killed as many of them as she could, though God spared Elijah from her.

Another aspect of the problem in Thyatira is revealed in this verse: “But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them— I place no other burden on you” (Revelation 2:24). Jezebel’s teaching is called, “the deep things of Satan.” It is not clear from the grammar whether this is irony (they claim to know deep things of God but these are actually from Satan, according to Ladd) or a literal claim (that they gain some benefit from knowing details of the Satanic system, according to Lenksi). In either case, there is a spiritual side to this immorality. They had a sensual spirituality that they actually thought made them superior.

Jesus addressed a remnant, “the rest” who have not known the supposed superior spirituality advocated by the prophetess. That He placed no other burden is possibly a reference to the determination of the Jerusalem council which forbade fornication and eating things strangled. The remnant was to not listen to Jezebel and refuse to participate in the pagan feasts or seek the secret, “deeper” spiritual knowledge that the others claimed. Thus their faith, love and service would be unsullied and praiseworthy.

The church is being flooded with jezebels, a reformation of gnostic/charismatic elites.
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The deep thigns of satan is the flesh. Self nature. YES like you said, "Hidden Knowledge" is a part of that, But Its plainly Doctrinal Error.(which will lead one, among other things into sumoning Demons, but thinking one is callign up the Holy SPirit....) It is Plainly ANY Gospel that doesnt lead to GODLINESS. Anything that Doesnt conform you to the Imamge of Christ Jesus, which is the Imamge of GOD, anything that doesnt conform you to be pure, blameless, and holy, is conforming you to the IMMAGE of Satan.

1 Corinthains 2:10
"But God has revealed them to us by his Spirit: for the Spirit searches all things, yes, the deep things of God."

So the HOLY spirit, reveals the DEEP thigns of GOD.

Then the Spirit of the WORLD revelas the deep thigns of Satan(the flesh, self, pride arrogance, the WORLD) Spirit ofthe world, is spirit of alterior Christ. Which is Jezebel. False Prophet. NO testimony of What JESUS has done, adn WHO JEsus Is. No overcomming. Only more conforming to the WORLD which is the SPIRIT of the POWER of the AIR. Da Debble.
 
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Exactly, Exactly, Exactly. Where your treasure is there your heart will be also :)
 
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Abiding said:
Im only a man with tiny brained thoughts, but seems to me on a human level ....how bad it hurts to love someone who
has another love who they talk to and benefit from. Then I think of those in the church that get into the socalled spirituals
and are actually taping into the spiritual world and love it. Its intoxicating but it isnt from God.

And i wonder sometimes with God sized emotions what it feels like to Him.
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It probably tares him apart. I KNOW you can feel the presence of GOD. I KNOW what the HOLY spirit feels like. So we cant count out ALL "spiritual encounters" The father WANTS to come and spend time with us.

BUT

Then like you said, We like to folow spirits who are NOT our father. They Do NOT conform us to HIS immage, but allow us to stay fleshly, and or worldly, and pridefull.

MAINLY we do this when we arent Loving HIM, and loving the Truth, with all of our being, HE gives us over to it, and we can think we are STILL hearing GOD, but instead we are following Flesh, or Evil spirits. And these SPirits will make YOU conform to Flesh. they will apease the sin nature, and they will allow you to keep the thigns that GOD detests.

If we love anything more than we do Jesus, even if we are NOT charismatic, We are a Adulteress. and are the Greater False Church, we are a part of that Body, adn not the Body of JESUS, and need to REPENT, if we arent being Made MORE like Jesus, then somthing went a miss, and we need to repent. if we dont have GODS nature. Then we have SATANS and we need to repent. If we DON"T repent, Gods wrath/Judgment is on us.

Different gospel other then one that makes you like Jesus(holy, obedient and seperate, humble, and loving just like JESUS) then you MUST repent, becasue your following another Jesus. Another GOspel, and have Another Spirit.

Rev 2:21
"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not."


Revelation 9:20
"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Revelation 16:9
"They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him."

Revelation 16:11
"and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done."
 
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Revelation 9:20
"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

I agree we should abide in Christ and die to self. But im sure the jezebel spirit is dealing simply with seducing spirits and secret knowledge
And she hates the truth. Since she cant kill it then pollute it. introduce centering prayer, yoga, TM through popular christian meditation books.
Attract crowds to signs and wonders meetings, and tell them of double anointings and african war drums to get them into an altered states of mind.
Im sure this has only to do with seducing spirits. And its sweeping across America. Its hard to even find the gospel preached in many churches, for
the craze and hunger for the same old lie....To be like the Most High.
 
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Revelation 9:20
"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

I agree we should abide in Christ and die to self. But im sure the jezebel spirit is dealing simply with seducing spirits and secret knowledge
And she hates the truth. Since she cant kill it then pollute it. introduce centering prayer, yoga, TM through popular christian meditation books.
Attract crowds to signs and wonders meetings, and tell them of double anointings and african war drums to get them into an altered states of mind.
Im sure this has only to do with seducing spirits. And its sweeping across America. Its hard to even find the gospel preached in many churches, for
the craze and hunger for the same old lie....To be like the Most High.
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Agreed. This "christ-conciousness/little Gods" idea, which is as Old as Babylon its self is wicked. But that is just ONE of the MANY MANY MANY "Idols" that we can have. If it doesnt make YOU more like Christ, then its making you like Satan, and is a part of this SAME spirit, and its the SAME whore, just a seperate wing/department, of the same mega corperation. You can say "i love Jesus" but your heart is still far away. You pray but its to a devil (worship devils) This Spirit can be in you EVEN if you have no affiliation with any Building called Church.

THAT is why "Do not be deceived" is repeated through out the epistles, thats why "Search your heart" is needed, and thats why we must make sure the LIGHT in us is not a darknes. If we do these thigns, and earnestly Fear the LORD, and humbly ask him to reveal all truth about our hearts to us, so we can live in repentance, and ask him daily to keep us from deception, then we wont be fooled. And EVERY facet of the lies of this flood will not sweep us away.
 
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Yup :) It was years till i finally seen the prayer model in the prayer Jesus said pray like this.
And its always the lack of prayer i see as my biggest sin, im a dependant totally without
His grace my heart will wonder. He will keep me but i must depend on Him.
 
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Deadflesh said:
It probably tares him apart. I KNOW you can feel the presence of GOD. I KNOW what the HOLY spirit feels like. So we cant count out ALL "spiritual encounters" The father WANTS to come and spend time with us.

BUT

Then like you said, We like to folow spirits who are NOT our father. They Do NOT conform us to HIS immage, but allow us to stay fleshly, and or worldly, and pridefull.

MAINLY we do this when we arent Loving HIM, and loving the Truth, with all of our being, HE gives us over to it, and we can think we are STILL hearing GOD, but instead we are following Flesh, or Evil spirits. And these SPirits will make YOU conform to Flesh. they will apease the sin nature, and they will allow you to keep the thigns that GOD detests.

If we love anything more than we do Jesus, even if we are NOT charismatic, We are a Adulteress. and are the Greater False Church, we are a part of that Body, adn not the Body of JESUS, and need to REPENT, if we arent being Made MORE like Jesus, then somthing went a miss, and we need to repent. if we dont have GODS nature. Then we have SATANS and we need to repent. If we DON"T repent, Gods wrath/Judgment is on us.

Different gospel other then one that makes you like Jesus(holy, obedient and seperate, humble, and loving just like JESUS) then you MUST repent, becasue your following another Jesus. Another GOspel, and have Another Spirit.

Rev 2:21
"And I gave her space to repent of her fornication; and she repented not."


Revelation 9:20
"And the rest of the men which were not killed by these plagues yet repented not of the works of their hands, that they should not worship devils, and idols of gold, and silver, and brass, and stone, and of wood: which neither can see, nor hear, nor walk:

Revelation 16:9
"They were seared by the intense heat and they cursed the name of God, who had control over these plagues, but they refused to repent and glorify him."

Revelation 16:11
"and cursed the God of heaven because of their pains and their sores, but they refused to repent of what they had done."
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I agree with you for the most part, but how does one worship devils and idols of gold, silver, brass etc, etc?
 
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Abiding said:
Yup :) It was years till i finally seen the prayer model in the prayer Jesus said pray like this.
And its always the lack of prayer i see as my biggest sin, im a dependant totally without
His grace my heart will wonder. He will keep me but i must depend on Him.
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Amen and Amen. :)
 
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Israel said:
I agree with you for the most part, but how does one worship devils and idols of gold, silver, brass etc, etc?
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From what I gather,

If your worshiping flesh(desire, self, world) then thats devils. False Christs are devils too. Following MAN, leanign on the arm of MAN, and not Jesus.

Idols of Gold, silver, brass, wood = anything that is NOT God Almighty.

Daniel 5:23
"Instead, you have set yourself up against the Lord of heaven. You had the goblets from his temple brought to you, and you and your nobles, your wives and your concubines drank wine from them. You praised the gods of silver and gold, of bronze, iron, wood and stone, which cannot see or hear or understand. But you did not honor the God who holds in his hand your life and all your ways."

Including a form of God that THEY make Which is a different God then the ONE spoken of in The BIBLE
. Its the "Oh God wont mind if I..." type of god.


1 Corinthians 10:20
''No, but the sacrifices of pagans are offered to demons, not to God, and I do not want you to be participants with demons"

What are the sacrifices of a Follower of Christ? Self. Living sacrifice, and our offerings are PRAYERS. SO if one says they Pray to God, but there heart convicts them and they are truly FAR from God, and the fruits of the mouth, and thier life doesnt reflect JESUS, then they need to repent. They are in fact worshiping NOT God.

the passage that sums these people up is

2 Timothy 3: 1-5
"This know also, that in the last days perilous times shall come. For men shall be lovers of their own selves, covetous(wanting, not denying), boasters(in anything but the Cross of Jesus), proud, blasphemers, disobedient to parents, unthankful, unholy, Without natural affection, truce breakers, false accusers, incontinent, fierce, despisers of those that are good, Traitors, heady, high minded, lovers of pleasures more than lovers of God; Having a form of godliness, but denying the power thereof: from such turn away"
 
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ok kids up will have to tag this and read it later :)

Hey guys want some pancakes?

 
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Shouldn't this be posted in one of the threads about Christian liberals?

lol

Crack myself up.
 
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Abiding said:
Jesus goes on to rebuke the church of Thyatira for tolerating a false prophetess: “But I have this against you, that you tolerate the woman Jezebel, who calls herself a prophetess, and she teaches and leads My bond-servants astray, so that they commit acts of immorality and eat things sacrificed to idols” (Revelation 2:20). These sinful acts were likely linked to the pagan feasts of the trade guilds. In 1Corinthians Paul allows eating meats offered to idols if the meat were merely bought in the marketplace (1Corinthians 10:25). In a city like Thyatira, any meat found in a marketplace would likely have been offered to idols. However, Paul forbids eating such meat in connection with the idol worship itself: “But if anyone should say to you, “This is meat sacrificed to idols,” do not eat it, for the sake of the one who informed you, and for conscience’ sake” (1Corinthians 10:28). Also, since the eating of the meat is coupled with immorality, the evidence points to participation in the pagan feasts.

The problem was that several lusts were being satisfied with prophetic endorsement: the lust for money and prestige and the lust for immorality. Ladd writes, “The reason why the problem assumed such acute form in Thyatira was that membership in the trade guilds involved participation in pagan meals and often led to immorality.”18 In the gospels, Jesus required people to lay aside everything for His sake, to take up their cross and follow Him. The church in Thyatira gave no heed to that part of Jesus’ message. They enjoyed their relationship with the world too much.

Jezebel who encouraged these sins is likely a real person in Thyatira who is called Jezebel because of her spiritual relationship to the Jezebel of the Old Testament. The Old Testament Jezebel attempted to integrate Baal worship into the practices of Israel. She hated the prophets who pointed out her sin and killed as many of them as she could, though God spared Elijah from her.

Another aspect of the problem in Thyatira is revealed in this verse: “But I say to you, the rest who are in Thyatira, who do not hold this teaching, who have not known the deep things of Satan, as they call them— I place no other burden on you” (Revelation 2:24). Jezebel’s teaching is called, “the deep things of Satan.” It is not clear from the grammar whether this is irony (they claim to know deep things of God but these are actually from Satan, according to Ladd) or a literal claim (that they gain some benefit from knowing details of the Satanic system, according to Lenksi). In either case, there is a spiritual side to this immorality. They had a sensual spirituality that they actually thought made them superior.

Jesus addressed a remnant, “the rest” who have not known the supposed superior spirituality advocated by the prophetess. That He placed no other burden is possibly a reference to the determination of the Jerusalem council which forbade fornication and eating things strangled. The remnant was to not listen to Jezebel and refuse to participate in the pagan feasts or seek the secret, “deeper” spiritual knowledge that the others claimed. Thus their faith, love and service would be unsullied and praiseworthy.

The church is being flooded with jezebels, a reformation of gnostic/charismatic elites.
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good post Abiding.
this is just so similar to todays pagan/gnostic secret societies (which are just the same ones of old).
the "deep things of satan" they love and practise (just glance at their rituals).
the mystery schoolers are super-pagans and they are involved in horrible stuff.
they've introduced the pagan practise of kundalini for example (which is transferrable somehow), and call it the Holy Spirit (anyone can find this out in a few minutes).

and they have infiltrated the church.

you rightly identified at least some from their camp:

"The church is being flooded with jezebels, a reformation of gnostic/charismatic elites"

whatsup?: Is Knight of Malta Rick Joyner leading Christians astray?

 
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