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Here's some info I found..... Lordship Salvation
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First sentence:" LORDSHIP SALVATION is the false doctrine that a sinner MUST forsake their actually sins to be saved. "
Despite the grammatical problems in the sentence, Lordship Salvation is simply that, "A saved person will change".
1 John 3
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. More on Love and Hatred
11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters,[b] if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
James 2
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
Despite the grammatical problems in the sentence, Lordship Salvation is simply that, "A saved person will change".
1 John 3
7 Dear children, do not let anyone lead you astray. The one who does what is right is righteous, just as he is righteous. 8 The one who does what is sinful is of the devil, because the devil has been sinning from the beginning. The reason the Son of God appeared was to destroy the devil’s work. 9 No one who is born of God will continue to sin, because God’s seed remains in them; they cannot go on sinning, because they have been born of God. 10 This is how we know who the children of God are and who the children of the devil are: Anyone who does not do what is right is not God’s child, nor is anyone who does not love their brother and sister. More on Love and Hatred
11 For this is the message you heard from the beginning: We should love one another. 12 Do not be like Cain, who belonged to the evil one and murdered his brother. And why did he murder him? Because his own actions were evil and his brother’s were righteous. 13 Do not be surprised, my brothers and sisters,[b] if the world hates you. 14 We know that we have passed from death to life, because we love each other. Anyone who does not love remains in death. 15 Anyone who hates a brother or sister is a murderer, and you know that no murderer has eternal life residing in him.
16 This is how we know what love is: Jesus Christ laid down his life for us. And we ought to lay down our lives for our brothers and sisters. 17 If anyone has material possessions and sees a brother or sister in need but has no pity on them, how can the love of God be in that person? 18 Dear children, let us not love with words or speech but with actions and in truth. 19 This is how we know that we belong to the truth and how we set our hearts at rest in his presence: 20 If our hearts condemn us, we know that God is greater than our hearts, and he knows everything. 21 Dear friends, if our hearts do not condemn us, we have confidence before God 22 and receive from him anything we ask, because we keep his commands and do what pleases him. 23 And this is his command: to believe in the name of his Son, Jesus Christ, and to love one another as he commanded us. 24 The one who keeps God’s commands lives in him, and he in them. And this is how we know that he lives in us: We know it by the Spirit he gave us.
James 2
14 What good is it, my brothers and sisters, if someone claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save them? 15 Suppose a brother or a sister is without clothes and daily food. 16 If one of you says to them, “Go in peace; keep warm and well fed,” but does nothing about their physical needs, what good is it? 17 In the same way, faith by itself, if it is not accompanied by action, is dead.
C
I believe this subject to be a foundational Christian teaching, one that I hold near and dear to my heart. So much so that I actually did one of my thesis papers on this very subject in Seminary. My position should come as no surprise to those familiar with the subject matter and my posts. However, considering that most people are far more likely to believe something if they figure it out for themselves, I think I'm going to sit back and watch this thread develop, at least for a while.
It is my hope and prayer that people really research this subject and take it to the Lord in prayer so that He will give them an answer Himself. However, I already have a good idea in which direction this thread will go once certain people see the title and decide to toss in their two cents. Till then, I'm interested in seeing what people have to say...
It is my hope and prayer that people really research this subject and take it to the Lord in prayer so that He will give them an answer Himself. However, I already have a good idea in which direction this thread will go once certain people see the title and decide to toss in their two cents. Till then, I'm interested in seeing what people have to say...
The whole crux of the matter is whether Jesus Christ died for the sins of the whole world. There are over 6 billion people on this planet. Did Jesus Christ's death, burial and resurrection through the cross and the blood He shed judge and put away the sins of those 6 billion plus sinners that are upon this planet? Some believe that the sins of the unbeliever are not put away until they trust Christ and then they are put away. If that was true then the sinner would be judicially and jointly responsible for putting away his own sins and he is not responsible for that and that is why God sent His Son to do that.
The Lamb put away sin through the sacrifice of Himself on that cross so that the sinner could come to Him by faith and believe that his sins were judged and put away. Jesus Christ becomes that sinners Saviour and Lord the moment they believe and without showing any transformation whatsoever, because all that is done for and to the believer is all imputed to through faith without a single work except to believe. All those Lordship Salvation believers put the sinner (cart) before the Christ (the horse), when there is only Christ and him crucified and the putting away of ALL sin.
This is the gospel message of grace and truth and is just as pure as it can be. To add or take away from it is to corrupt it.
The Lamb put away sin through the sacrifice of Himself on that cross so that the sinner could come to Him by faith and believe that his sins were judged and put away. Jesus Christ becomes that sinners Saviour and Lord the moment they believe and without showing any transformation whatsoever, because all that is done for and to the believer is all imputed to through faith without a single work except to believe. All those Lordship Salvation believers put the sinner (cart) before the Christ (the horse), when there is only Christ and him crucified and the putting away of ALL sin.
This is the gospel message of grace and truth and is just as pure as it can be. To add or take away from it is to corrupt it.
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How about this.
The gospel is about forgiving a sinner based on Christs work.
A christian or child of God, should consider God to be his lord.
So the Gospel is not about Lordship, A sinner can't declare his enemy he knows nothing about Lord.
But as children of God, we will practice lordship Christianity, because after becoming a child of God, we can start to learn about who our Lord is and understand him (where a non child of God can not) Unfortunately, as men, we will not be very good servants of our lord until we grow in him.
The gospel is about forgiving a sinner based on Christs work.
A christian or child of God, should consider God to be his lord.
So the Gospel is not about Lordship, A sinner can't declare his enemy he knows nothing about Lord.
But as children of God, we will practice lordship Christianity, because after becoming a child of God, we can start to learn about who our Lord is and understand him (where a non child of God can not) Unfortunately, as men, we will not be very good servants of our lord until we grow in him.
C
A person's position on Lordship Salvation can found by answering a single yet simple question:
Do you believe Jesus gave his life that we might be saved from sin - OR - do you believe Jesus died that we might be saved in sin to sin?
Much of the debating that goes on here in the forums revolves around our belief concerning this question.
Do you believe Jesus gave his life that we might be saved from sin - OR - do you believe Jesus died that we might be saved in sin to sin?
Much of the debating that goes on here in the forums revolves around our belief concerning this question.
E
Depends on how you look at it. A legalist can believe that statement. And take it to mean we are saved from the ability to sin, when in actually we are saved from the penalty of sin, and given the power to be freed from the ability to sin.
Thats why I made it more clear.
Of course the second one you posted would be the licentious "liscense" to sin
Thats why I made it more clear.
Of course the second one you posted would be the licentious "liscense" to sin